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On March 13 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote: If you are 95% sure that marv is mafia, WHY DID YOU KILL YAMATO? Also supersoft, Im confused at what are 2 lists mean and the difference between them... Dont even know if the nuke is real dude. What if we don't lynch Foolish OR Yamato because we are waiting for this nuke to land at end of cycle? | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:58 supersoft wrote: Why are you confused. I am confirmed town. DON'T QUESTION MY MOTIVATION! I AM TOWN! HELLO! Why do you people ask me questions and refuse to help me. We have the unique opportunity to have ME as a confirmed townie and a completely honest and openly playing Judge for todays lynch. The confusion was, it wasnt clear the list was towniest @ top; scummiest at bottom. You clarified that a couple posts "after" the list post. | ||
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On March 13 2013 21:18 marvellosity wrote: don't worry Dandel, I got this. super is right in that a yamato death would clear some things up. It might buy Foolishness another day or two, helps with corazon and sloosh, etc. if yamato flips town or no-shot happens, foolish should die immediately. Well, my concern is making a play to maintain 3KP for another cycle. *Assuming Foolishness is scum* He was on the block today; so scum will go down to 2KP. What better way to buy time to maintain 3KP then to fake-nuke/real-nuke someone; and try to get another townie on the block instead. Seems worth it as a gamble to me? Not only that, but these actions have the potential to derail the entire Day2. *Unfortunately* This might suggest Crossfire is town (as I believe he would be the next candidate after Foolishness) I dont think there is a point making this play to sacrifice Foolishness for Crossfire?, unless ones personality powers is better, but thats all WIFOM and may as well be discarded. Thoughts on the 3KP theory? | ||
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On March 13 2013 21:23 marvellosity wrote: where did it say end of the day? did i miss something? That was me. Incognito had nukes in Personality 1. And it was a day-vig that landed when the cycle finished (with the post) but had to be 'launched" at least 12hrs before cycle end. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. Agreed on the nuke. Its all WIFOM (and reminds me of Grush typing ##Shoot, in Mafia LX... *sigh*) Dunno why it makes sense for one of Foolishness/Ver to be scum. I thought its all RNG? I agree Ver play is subpar, and my read is slipping south quickly; but one flip at a time yeah? Since everyone else ignored me; what do you think of my 3KP theory? | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:24 supersoft wrote: Sorry dude, can't take that serious. It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the shot goes through. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. SS, can I ask what is enforcing your hardy stance on Foolish? This kinda reminds me of Mafia LX.. Many refused to consider Vivax scum because he fake-claimed vig. I had to claim my blue role in end to prove there was town KP; to get ppl to realise the vig claim was false. Yam was a town read, founded upon the anonymous vig action. Foolish nukes him.. whether real or fake; the difference between yamato -> kurumi & foolish -> yamato is that yamato wasnt shitting up the thread asking to be martyred. *thats a big difference* I want to listen to you as confirmed town; its just. i dont understand where you are coming from with your position. | ||
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What information do we expect from a yam shot though? Hes town on my list. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote: Ok ok I'll keep the calm I'm again rushing too much, I missed that thing you wrote marv and the Foolishness thingy is recent. My bad didn't read properly sorry. Anyway. I want to lynch Ver in that case. I have no clue about Foolish currently but it's insane to favour him for lynch over a guy who doesn't move a finger after announcing he would. Also we can't be sure about Foolish until we see yamato flip. Additionally, we need to wait for SlOosh's actions. SlOosh should tell us who he targeted though. What happened to crossfire and corazon? | ||
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Man that Foolisness post was *MASSIVE* and reads genuine. (as in, reads consistent through the whole essay which I think is hard to fake as scum) SS has annoyed me this cycle. Its obvious he cares and is trying to help us, but he is just shoving commands down our throats instead of walking us through his thought process. If you dont agree with him, he essentially tells you to fuck off. I dont get why Corazon is in his circle... yet.. he wont share either If Marv/Fool off the table today, I am voting Corazon. (Crossfire has gone someway to redeeming himself.. Cora is just looking worse.. all his scum reads are people that have accused him. This is not scum hunting. If it came to a stand between Foolishness/Marv.. I am with Marv all the way. Marv has been a thread presence from Day1 to where we are now Day 2. Foolishness made one story post about Vivax, of which people immediately jumped aboard. And when he makes another story post; people jump aboard again. I get the feeling; if *I* made the posts Foolishness did; everyone would laugh and ignore me. And are judging Foolishness by reputation instead of actual play this game. Marv has been actively trying to figure this game out - its been transparent. | ||
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As long as both Foolishness/Marv are alive, they are just going to be gunning at each other (as both are each others strongest scum reads). Im taking a stand with Marv. For all the reasons I said before. Vivax needs to pull his thumb out of his ass. He supports Foolish (cos Foolish has a town read on him) and knocks Marv (cos Marv has a bad town/scum read). Thats essentially emotions guiding his play, instead of logic. He has also admitted to not reading the thread before commenting. Lynch Foolish, and keep medic'n Marv. Thats our best chance to win this game. | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:40 Crossfire99 wrote: Why steal sloosh's vote? Is he scum? If you're certain of Yamato being scum, you should have stolen his vote and made him vote for himself. I wish today was a double lynch... Its not clear if Corazon stole the vote. Essentially someone played a power which handed sl0osh vote to Corazon. | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:14 cDgCorazon wrote: Acro if you really think I am playing like scum just give my NMM 33 filter a quick look over. Does it look anything like what I am playing? I cant believe you said that. NMM33 was your first game ever. You were outed as scum 1hr into Day1, and was saved by a townie defending you; which gave you town cred to ride to the bitter end. Since, then you have played a few newbies; and a few non-newbies. There has been a *CLEAR* shift in your style since NMM34 (your first town game) as well. Hence, pointing out scum play in NMM33 is barely applicable to you; because you have grown significantly as a player (& it was your very first game) | ||
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On March 14 2013 14:55 cDgCorazon wrote: This is my stance: + Show Spoiler + [image blocked] Take it or leave it. No King of Hearts flavour anymore? Corazon, I heard your opinion on Yamato, Acro and me. Its blatant OMGUS. Now for more important matters: *IF* you are town and were the deciding vote, who do you save: Marv or Foolishness? | ||
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On March 14 2013 15:14 cDgCorazon wrote: The King of Hearts is like a shepherd to his people. So in effect I am still the King and you all are my sheep. So sheep to me  So this is why Sl0osh vote can sheep you. So *making the assumption* you stole sl0osh vote.. why him? | ||
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"prplhz" was your lynch pardon only an effect on yourself? Regardless of foolishness YES!! Corazon and scum now have 2 KP. Good outcome. guys can we all agree Marv is fuckn town now, and stop riding him. YES, I am speaking to you Vivax. | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:08 Mocsta wrote: ermm.. so foolishness wasnt lying? "prplhz" was your lynch pardon only an effect on yourself? ..... I dont want this forgotten. | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:31 prplhz wrote: then don't put my name in quotes OK... Let me ask you directly prplhz Does your lynch pardon ability, only operate on yourself? | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:50 risk.nuke wrote: When I said stunt I didn't mean I knew the nuke would be fake. I ment that Foolishness just did something drastic. I might aswell add I also received a nuke this night. I'm sure some already suspected that from how I spoke about them. I decided not to use mine untill the deadline at earliest. When Sloosh posted his post about things being cleared up in at midday, the same deadline for sending nukes today I suspected a connection. And when several people started launching nukes I knew at least all weren't real or that they in some way was conditional. So this was the sl0oshs "concept" which at first read looks townie enough (due to creativity points) + Show Spoiler [sl0osh nuke plan] + On March 14 2013 03:34 slOosh wrote: Sup dudes, caller here. Oh wat? The Plan Give various people NUKEs. Two reasons a) See how people use it. Do they treat it carefully? Do they trust it? Do they just shoot whatever? b) If multiple scum members received it, there will be information leak. They know that multiple NUKEs were given. Information pump yea? c) My last night post was designed in a way where it seemed like they had to fire the NUKEs or it blows up on themselves. Dunno how well this worked or not, but there is more information if people use it rather than if people don't. d) I have ANTI NUKE countermeasures so it doesn't matter if I hand them to scum - in fact it is better because we see true motives come out. e) (for him who knows) You town. I'm glad. I'm saying this all now because enough information has passed and we need time to properly look over it (I'm still doing it myself). So he never says how many nukes there actually are: But is it not interesting, that with all the nuke discussions, sl0osh decides to *NEVER* comment on the Risk.Nuke "fail to shoot"? Ironic, considering: On March 14 2013 04:18 slOosh wrote: Fair point. Now, let's get back to discussing the NUKERs? If Risk.Nuke figured out the plan *before* the plan was unveiled; why let all the commotion happen in the thread? And more importantly: why did sl0osh go to all this effort to set up a "town" trap to create "fake nukes" and with all the information generated proceed with this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=152#3037 Or in summary On March 15 2013 02:17 slOosh wrote: I want to lynch marv first because we have the most clout today and he is hardest to lynch today ##Vote: marvellosity What makes this even more interesting is that: sl0osh vote comes from the stoush between marv/foolishness - and nothing to do with the nukes!! Where is the analysis of the nuke actions? *VERY* interesting indeed. I have to read Risk.Nuke filter before deciding where I think he ties into all this. He has been a player that has slipped under the radar for me (even after I called him out for inactivity before) But regardless, sl0osh needs to go! | ||
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Town Vig: Foolishness & Lynch sl0osh (is my recommendation) | ||
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