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On March 12 2013 18:01 Mocsta wrote:[Crossfire99=Vig] Probably scumMy read has shifted. I thought this guy was trying to communicate better by dropping the roleplaying act. I also thought he was genuinely trying to aid town with his final posts.. i.e. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 11:00 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry I played so terribly. I deserve to be lynched. Watch vivax because he pegged me as town even though i played like crap. Watch out for dandel. he might be scum but i'm not sure cause i've only been scum when i've played with him. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 11:19 Crossfire99 wrote:
Uh is there anything specific you guys want me to focus on to make sure I spend some time on before the lynch? I'm trying to catch up, but need to know what would be the most helpful. Those posts read as a sincere plea from a townie to me. The problem is what eventuated from that plea. (1) he calls out SS with his Dandel Ion scum read & (2) the meat and veg of his late-cycle contribution(s)+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 11:48 Crossfire99 wrote:Yeah I am unsure on Yamato, so I don't want to lynch him. There's some good and bad. It's good that he calls out super. It's good that he wants to lynch bugs. It's good that he claimed his kill of kurumi. It was bad that he actually killed kurumi. It's weird that he want from instantly voting me at the very beginning of the game, to me only be a possibility of a lynch later on + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 02:02 yamato77 wrote:
The delay for my role was built in.
As for my Marv read... Hm. Gonna have to reread his filter closely.
Super, I will say, is being especially useless and obviously lurky.
Nothing has changed about Bugs.
Not sold on Cross/Stutters, but the possibility exists there. Not good lynches.
Sloosh needs more attention for being a useless pile of lurking shit, , to don't lynch me. He'll have to be looked into more. I definitely still want to lynch wbg cause he's done nothing but attack kurumi even when he knew he was modconfirmed town, plus he just trolled the thread when called out and doesn't even care about doing anything. I'm keeping my vote on wbg. Decides to stand in the middle with one of the key discussion topics: Yamato. If you finish with "He'll have to be looked into more" & don't add anything new to the discussion, why bother to comment in the first place? Reads as a guy looking to contribute, without making an effort. & (3)Ends up sticking with his sheep vote on WBG, after promising to "catch up on the thread and focus on key areas"... Basically, Crossfire99 sold me on the emotional plea; and now that I have had to chance to review what the outcome of his focus is.. I am left severely disappointed. The late-cycle contributions were on par with when he was roleplaying. I think Crossfire99 would make a superb vig target tonight.
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On March 13 2013 09:33 Foolishness wrote:
Do people still want to kill crossfire?
Yes
as per post above
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On March 13 2013 09:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
Well I'm here and caught up, not really motivated to do anything atm.
I'll most likely just get shot in 2 hours, so I'm real lazy now.
have some reads for those that care about that.
lynch those:
foolish
crossfire
vivax
Marv is town, I guarantee it.
iamp/prome/ve/acro most likely town but not so sure on those.
gut says austin and cora are possible scummers too. Should be relatively easy to tell in time. both not priorities imo.
Hold up a sec here
Why are you close to being shot?
And why have you got iamp and acro has likely town.
Even prome who knows iamp well is concerned with the state of his play.
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On March 13 2013 11:19 austinmcc wrote:
My guy doesn't seem to be a big spammer at the end of night cycles. So I'll compromise and mini-spam.
BC's "you guys so bad, I'm scummy cuz of my personality that you guys don't know about" is crap. He should know it's crap. Marv, may have been you, but someone in a PM or obs or postgame of themed game mentioned it being hard for established scumhunters to play scum and not be outed. This feels like that. BC gets to be scummy for a day, and his response/defense is to blame it on his personality, which we don't know and which he knows we don't know. End result? Perhaps it buys him a day or two. That's crap. Just an easy way to delay being outed by blaming on information that, oh my, nobody else happens to have.
There's a group of experienced players who are all just...congealing together. risk.nuke, HiroPro, prplhz, snb, slOosh, Acro. With each of those people, just off the top of my head, I can think of 0-2 things that they've done. A particular post, a particular case, but that's it. If I'm not around, someone else needs to poke this group HARD. I've been growing more wtf-ey with slOosh, because while he was entirely inactive in PU like he is here, he was somewhat active and was all scheme-y in bureaucracy. Here, he's entirely inactive and doesn't have the benefit of me having checked him as "town." So...I'm stuck thinking it's some dumb roleplaying or rl issues, and not scumminess? Don't love the conclusion, but frankly that whole group of people needs to take some stances tomorrow, differentiate themselves, and we can see who rises up and who sits at the bottom of the glass looking scummy.
Still haven't read Duel mafia. But multiple people picked out multiple inconsistencies between Cora's play there and here. I'm assuming you're not all scum laying some elaborate trap to kill Cora, so I'll assume his play is funky and I have to throw part of my read out the window. But still, look at his entrance posts. Those are carefree and silly. Those are not mafia posts. Look at him trying to figure out bugs and my mayoral campaign. Those are trying to solve the game. Not mafia posts. Cora town.
Vivax was scumVivax earlier. He was not actively destroying the thread and when he was here, was kind of shitty/weird, but relying on just...lies/assumptions/not reading. More recent Vivax has been townVivax - dicking around with marv, being insistent that he's right about ridiculous things and trying to get everyone riled up about the ridiculous ideas that he wants to push. That's what I was getting at earlier with being used to him being scummy as town, but that he wasn't being scummy in the right way. It felt off, like he was trying to be scummy but forcing it. After getting called out on it, ta da! Miraculously, scummy townVivax shows back up. That change means Vivax probably scum. Anyone who says vivax is scum cuz he's scummy is being dumb and not looking at him properly. He's scum cuz he's the wrong kind of scummy, as stupid as that sounds. It's forced, it's based on not reading/lying, rather than just shitting up thread.
I think marv is town, so he's probably scum too. This reads like a big post of nothing.
You just saying here is a list some scum here.
If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure.
I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam...
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so its not indicative?
surely we can expect follow up pressure though? please tell me that is true...
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On March 13 2013 11:34 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 11:30 Mocsta wrote:
This reads like a big post of nothing.
You just saying here is a list some scum here.
If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure.
I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam... Read closer. I bet you find more than just a list.
Well im considered verbose, but you make me sound like a one-liner..
lets see
BC = scum
A list of 6 guys, some could be scum cos low contributers
You have read Duel, but commenting on Cora.. when half the arguments are based on contrast with Duel...
Vivax is scum
Marv is 50/50
My stance still applies, I want to see you do some follow ups if around.
Politicians can't just delegate everything...
+ If you want to comment on Cora, then at least do the justice of reading Duel. Otherwise your comments are moot and shitting up the dispute.
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On March 13 2013 11:40 austinmcc wrote:
Duel throws out the tunneling = townie. Duel makes reliance on meta seem odd. I can accept those arguments, without reading duel, and STILL find those other two things townie.
OK, that sounds reasonable.
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Wow.. so SS gets to still post/vote. Cool power
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I am going back to HotS
As much as I would love to support Cora right now (or Fool with his play)
I think it is unwise if we all consolidate right now.
In Mafia LX we did that (consolidated vote as in EVERYONE within teh first 12 hrs) and it killed off all discussions and dropped motivation levels as well.
It also gave no information on mafia, because everyone voted the same person.
I am struggling with this game enough as it is - because its such a shitfest; I think it would be good to avoid those type of repercussions (from consolidating early)
So I would like to hear more thoughts from lurkers like Crossfire99 and Risk.Nuke in regards to their top scum reads whilst we have "spare" time.
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On March 13 2013 13:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yamato's defense "Your argument is invalid because I'm town"
Mocsta's attack "You are scum because you attacked Yamato"
Sure Moc has said more but when you read between the lines that's all I see.
Dude. nothing could be further from the truth.
I can not comprehend how this is what you interpret my attack on you as.
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On March 13 2013 14:13 cDgCorazon wrote:Oats, in case you missed: Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 13:37 cDgCorazon wrote:Alright, here it is: Why Yamato is Scum (Extended Version)Original Case:+ Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're a buzzkill Not fighting with aggressive people this game just finding mafia So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia? What position are you talking about? I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play? Lol. The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen
I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Yamato's first reaction to my case is basically calling it stupid. Why did he call it stupid? On March 10 2013 16:44 yamato77 wrote:
I'm calling you out for having a bad excuse for a scum read; me.
A case being stupid just because it is against you is not a legitimate defense. He basically refused to answer my main points: 2. He is playing absolutely nothing like his town meta The usual town Yamato is active, fearless, and does not care about anyone else's opinions. This should be ridiculously obvious from his duel with Hapa from Duel Mafia. As you can see from the quote in my original argument, he did not care if he died, as long as his top scumread went down with him. He was spot on in his duel with Hapa and that should have fueled his confidence even higher from this game (Marv said in Obs QT how Yamato was being a bit cocky at the beginning from getting the scumteam in the game before Duel Mafia). A town Yamato would be riding this wave of confidence. Instead, what have we seen from Yamato so far? A whole different game. His game has been far from aggressive. He's been timid, crumbled under pressure, run away from challenges, and has gone hiding while the town deliberates who to lynch. 3. Lurking and lack of scum huntingYamato's filter has been a lot of 1-liners and shitting up the thread. He's been attacking players, but not following through on them. His initial attacks on VE were based on one very weak point, yet he continued to call VE scum without expanding on that point. His other scumhunting contributions have been wondering whether Kurumi is the next coming of Chezinu, and that bugs might be scum (without any explanation) His defense of me was basically backing down and trying to avoid confrontation with my argument. His whole defense was that my read was wrong because it was on him. I don't think so. Ever since then, he basically disappeared from the thread, only to reenter to: 4. His kill (?) of KurumiI honestly don't understand this move. If he knew Kurumi was town and if Yamato was town, Yamato would not have gone on to kill Kurumi. Anyone who would kill a townie cannot possibly be town. Is that bad logic? Another possibility is that he is lying, but what would he gain from that? Could he be trying to cover for someone else? Either way, there is no town motivation in either his check/kill of Kurumi or claim of what happened to Kurumi. These are the reasons I think Yamato is scum and that he needs to be lynched. I, Corazon, the King of Hearts, decree that Yamato must be lynched, or this town shall feel my wrath! My case is based off of more than Yamato's defenses.
Corazon I already debunked points 1 to 3.
Point 4 in my opinion does not apply anymore as i am inclined to believe Yamato role description.
The game has shifted 48hrs since then, yet that is still your read.
Where is the evolution?
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On March 13 2013 14:03 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 13:01 Mocsta wrote:
I am going back to HotS
As much as I would love to support Cora right now (or Fool with his play)
I think it is unwise if we all consolidate right now.
In Mafia LX we did that (consolidated vote as in EVERYONE within teh first 12 hrs) and it killed off all discussions and dropped motivation levels as well.
It also gave no information on mafia, because everyone voted the same person.
I am struggling with this game enough as it is - because its such a shitfest; I think it would be good to avoid those type of repercussions (from consolidating early)
So I would like to hear more thoughts from lurkers like Crossfire99 and Risk.Nuke in regards to their top scum reads whilst we have "spare" time. .... consolidating early is a good thing. It forces stances and focus' town attention. Trying to determine lynches last minute never works out for town. What do you make of crossfire's "will post"?
(1) Xfire
The town reads is nice and syncs somewhat with my reads.. but i dotn value that too much. Most of those reads have been discussed openly in the thread; its almost a summary of town reads.
The scum reads is the same. Even admits its a +1 summary with his corazon read = let me paste marvs quotes.
So yeah, the last will post did nothing for me. No effort @ all.
(2) Consolidation
I think you are taking it as 2 bandwagons go head to haed.
In Mafia LX, EVERYONE (i.e. 23 players) all voted the same guy within 10-12hrs.. then the thread sat quiet as we waiting for the timer to expire.
This thread is confusing, and essentially a shit-fest. Adding 24hrs of lurking is just going to make our jobs harder. We really need to lynch scum this cycle and drop the KP down to 2. Thats why I wanted to try and promote further discussion on others who are flying under the radar.
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On March 13 2013 14:42 Promethelax wrote:
with moc is disagree
let us make this a dichotomy
we lynch between 'ness and cross
so no votes can get lost
Moc, please talk back to me.
Between aforementioned reds
who is it each of you do want dead?
For me this choice is made
we ##Vote: fool, next up: a parade!
We will on a pike place his head
I prefer Foolishness.
I still think it woudl be good to engage lurkers and retain teh ability to vote for them as pressure if required.. than .. majority vote foolishness and then have nothing to pressure lurkers. We still have 46hrs.
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On March 13 2013 18:22 Vivax wrote:
As for me, I have received a mysterious power during the night.
One that I used to love in one of my earlier lives as a bad guy.
But I don't know if the power I got is real, or just a way to fool me.
earlier <insert missing word> ??
Are you the invention spoken of in the End of cycle post?
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Vivax,
Out of those 4 left on BC list.
I would rate towniest to scummiest
Marv
Yam
Vivax
Foolish
You seem to still have issues with Marv/Yam; which of the two is townier?
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We can only have one lynch. Who is a higher chance to roll scum: Corazon or Crossfire?
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On March 13 2013 18:35 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta can you explain why you prefer Foolish over other targets?
Simple. Danger mitigation.
I think Marv is town; so far Foolishness is doing the following:
(1) Trolling marv, which is taking away his focus from other targets
&
(2) .. Thats pretty much it, unless you want to include defend Vivax on "meta"
If he is scum - which seems likely; hes doing a great job of distracting the closest thing we have to a leader.
If by some chance, Foolishness is town; then he is actually impeding our ability to succeed this lynch and drop mafia KP down to 2.
As much as i dont like Corazon or Crossfire99, they are there openly hiding; and have little to no thread presence.
I think Foolishness presents a much greater risk to the end-game result than if we focused on taking out Corazon/Crossfire99. Thats my 2c on the matter. (they are the equivalent of randombum in Mafia LX; can't be forgotten about but have no impact either)
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On March 13 2013 18:39 risk.nuke wrote:
Morning, I know you think my scum meta is to disappear but I assure you I haven't lost interest in this game. Over the nightphase I was content reading, I'm back now to discuss lynches.
on claims
So supersoft is still alive during this cycle as confirmed town.
Sloosh's claim is extremely weird but it sounds like he will be doing a kamikaze at midday so lets leave him alone and see where that goes.
Hi Risk.
Can I have your opinion on Vivax and Foolishness puh-lease.
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Isnt either of them an obvious frame target? THough
For parity, if both are town, only have to hit one of them
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On March 13 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote:I guess this means foolishness is town. Damn.
I dont see how that makes him town?
Is it normal for town to have two day-vigs? (this is assuming foolish #nuke is real)
(nuke is where the kill is end of cycle right?)
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+ Show Spoiler [SS list] +On March 13 2013 19:36 supersoft wrote:
balancediscussion in the meantime:
These players: X Scummers among them
1. Vivax
23. Promethelax
19. iamperfection
5. HiroPro
10. austinmcc
13. Oatsmaster
14. Stutters695
15. strongandbig
18. Mocsta
21. Acrofales
22. cDgCorazon
9. Intact replaced by Dandel Ion
2. Crossfire99
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Other players: Y Scummers among them
7. marvellosity
4. risk.nuke
6. prplhz
16. slOosh
20. Ver
- opposite aligned -
17. Foolishness
- shot -
24. yamato77
List X order [Town descending]
18. Mocsta
23. Promethelax
13. Oatsmaster
1. Vivax
15. strongandbig
5. HiroPro
19. iamperfection
21. Acrofales
10. austinmcc
9. Intact replaced by Dandel Ion
14. Stutters695
22. cDgCorazon
2. Crossfire99
List Y order [Town descending]
7. marvellosity
24. yamato77
20. Ver - based on parity check
16. slOosh
4. risk.nuke
6. prplhz
17. Foolishness
To be frank, theres at least 5 people in that list that I have barely paid any attention to.
(Hence why I wanted more lurkers engaged in more conversation this cycle)
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