Personality Mafia 2 - Page 5

On March 12 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote:


So basically bugs, apart from being useless, it comes down to what we think of this post.

Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence.

Why, then, would a "rat" announce that he would turn into a rat at all? Why even mention it if you're a "rat"? There seems to be a logic breakdown.

bugs is basically advocating lynching a townie on the basis he might not be town later. It's so *lazy*.

On March 11 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:
oatsmaster is the master of scummy, evil oats

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Exhibit One: Scum Are Inconsistent And Go After Easy Targets


So he starts out with a decent reason to be suspicious of iamperfection - big list post, not involved like his usual meta.
But then we see him latch on to mocsta for some reason:




+ Show Spoiler [mocsta's posts the page before t…] +

Really? Oatsmaster thinks that's not "spammy" or "jovial," and that it's different enough from mocsta's jovial and spammy meta to earn a vote? I don't buy it. Then there's some stupid back and forth between oats and mocsta, and then oats goes on to looking at other stuff.

But look at the difference between how oats interacted with suspicion on iamperfection and suspicion on mocsta. He claimed that they were both not playing to their town metas, but whereas at the time iamperfection actually wasn't matching his meta, oats's portrayal of mocsta's behavior this game was both curt and inaccurate. Plus, iamperfection had the bad listy intro post, which oats also claimed he was suspicious of.

Then a bit later in the filter, we get this:


nonono seriously? no explanation of how the actions in the thread since the initial vote influences the read? No explanation of why people should still be going after mocsta?

So what's the difference between iamperfection and mocsta? Well, simply put - one of them is a much easier target. Iamperfection does tend to attract some suspicion as town, so he's a safe target for dispersed suspicion, but he's better-known and more veteran than mocsta, and therefore more likely to be influential and a more dangerous target for scum to go all in on. Mocsta, on the other hand, is someone I've never heard of before and therefore a newer player, plus from his behavior this game he seems less focused and srsbsns than iamperfection in response to suspicion.

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Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It
This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't.

We have Oats's very first post:

Personal attacks bad, back-and-forth bad, non-alignment indicative stuff bad. Okay, those are all good things for townies to be thinking about. We can summarize this as "don't engage in personal bitchfights because they distract the thread and don't help demonstrate that you're town."

So how does Oats do putting his posts where his mouth is?
He starts off spamming around and not engaging the thread:
+ Show Spoiler +
Then he gets into a personal-attack bitchfight with mocsta
+ Show Spoiler +
Then there's some personal bitching at acro:
+ Show Spoiler +
And Kurumi
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Then we get another piece of "town advice"


Okay sure - if you aren't presenting and pushing your reads, then you're scum. Not always true but a completely valid way to play as town. If we combine that with Oatsmaster's earlier complaints about personal attacks and non-alignment-indicative fluff and bickering, we get a pretty strong philosophy of town play.
One that is absolutely nothing like how oatsmaster has been playing this game. Go back and look again at the posts I put in the spoilers above about him getting into personal bitchfights. There's the Mocsta stuff, where we learn that Oats "has a read" and that his read is "mocsta is scum because he's not jovial or spammy", followed by like five unnecessary other posts as Oats lets himself be drawn into you-said you-said with mocsta. But other than that one post, and one post where he says he has a read on iamperfection, what discussion of his reads do we get? What reads do we get at all, other than the two "scum reads" he made in like his first three posts based on the first few pages of the game? What interaction with all the new information that's come up in the thread?

What does Oats think about Kurumi and WBG? Given how much he wants substantive posts involving reads, you'd think he would have told us his reads on them at some point during the several posts he makes about them and aimed at them. But nope - we don't. In fact, he goes out of his way to avoid pointing to either of them as scum:
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His only "reads" are ill-thought out, ill-explained, and inconsistent.
He complains / gives advice about the prevalence of certain specific poor townplay practices, then engages in exactly those practices himself.
These are both characteristic scum behaviors and both have clear scum motivations.

Oatsmaster is scum.
##vote: Oatsmaster

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On March 16 2013 00:54 marvellosity wrote:


IT wasn't untouched, it was tweaked with this Announcement thing. Otherwise we wouldn't have the opportunity to be talking about it now.. Keep squirming, slOosh.