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On March 11 2013 11:06 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 10:51 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2013 10:13 Mocsta wrote:
OK. caught up.
(1) This game is super fucked with all the rhymers.
Promes are the most easily interpreted. I am happy to keep him around out of the rhymers (left)
i.e. Bugs to me reads like Chezinu in Mafia LX = White Noise....
(2) Yam shot; makes me lean scum... The guy was town TODAY, and confirmed at that... Martyr isn't a solid reason to drop our numbers down like this. The game is to lynch scum; not confirmed town.
(3) Strong and Big case on Oats reads well, and the points are valid.
But I know Oats meta/personality pretty damn well. Hes reading slightly town to me so far.
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I am more concerned Corazon (who has played with Oats recently in Duelist Mafia) is keeping his options open on Oats (if yam doesnt gain traction)..
Its early game, & we all know reads are subject to change...
Why keep his options open like this?
Why say, "I like the case but pushing my own reads anyways"?
Why does he even agree with the read in the first place?
Reads as over-eager ass-kissing to me.
@Corazon
Now that Yamato has taken a Day2 shot, I expect you to put your money where your mouth is, and make a judgment on his alignment and follow through accordingly.
##Vote: cDgCorazon i dont understand this vote. You say yamatos shot makes you think he is scum yet you are coting for cor for some reason why? I said, yam action makes me lean scum. But in my mind, corazon handling of S/B case just read forced to me. OK, so he confirmed he voted for Yam, but, it still doesnt go any way to explain his management of SnB Oats case? His rebuttal is: You're lazy. What else am I supposed to say? You didn't ask any questions, you just came to conclusions. Not only were you lazy and basically lied about my stance on a Yamato lynch, you basically said "Corazon is scum beacuse..." and put it in question form, basically saying you do not care about my answer and that you are going to sit here and use your vote on me as an excuse to not scumhunt and post silly pictures of whatever you posted before. Your vote is fucking stupid. Asking for the same reply I give everyone else, just with a reply to your quote, is just you trying to look like you are scumhunting. Do you really think I am scummier than Yamato or anyone else who has been discussed as possible scum so far?
Firstly, my vote for you was never founded on your yamato actions.
Yes, I missed your vote; theres a lot happening in the thread - but I am sure you are aware of that.
My vote was founded on how you went about yamato, in context of your agreement on SnB oats case.
You kept your options open depending on what gained traction.
This is COMPLETELY different reasoning to "reads are subject to change" and is not town like.
Town will push their target for lynch until it is proven they are innocent or guilty.
You did not do this; you said, I will stick with yamato, and can then move to oats if that fails... wishy-washy and indicative of scum not giving a shit on who they vote for.
e.g. NMM37, as town Day 1 you had a hard-on for warbaby; and would barely entertain other cases... where is that tunneled town tenacity? Has your playstyle completely evaporated because of one game between NMM37 and this game? Interesting, NO?
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On March 11 2013 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
Scum bugs has given us nothing
his posts in content were lacking
once his tunnel target was shot
his posting became "...[dot dot dot]"
what is it about this you don't find compelling?
Honestly, I am struggling to keep up with all the happenings in this thread. Its not a unified conversation.. i.e. there are like 5 or 6 conversations occurring in parallel & I don't like it.
Has any consideration been given that Bugs is being forced to act a certain way by role PM?
I know in Personality 1 Role PMs, some said you HAD to target specific people regardless of alignment.
As for your dichotomy, I dont see how you can derive this conclusion from just the role PMs or post structure change after target shot.
Kurumi died here:
On March 11 2013 09:06 kitaman27 wrote:Announcement! Kurumi as Wherebugsgo has been killed by Meapak_Ziphh!
Bugs last post was 1hr30min BEFORE kurumi died.
On March 11 2013 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
This broth would probably help you, but I'm afraid that the broth is not for chickens.
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On March 11 2013 11:28 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 11:17 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2013 11:14 HiroPro wrote:
man why are you jubjubs so dense. the man stutters - his voice has no impact or conviction. why am i the only person talking about him? if you are reading this thread right now, i want you to tell me whether or not you think he is town or mafia. have you played with this man in the past? He is always as green as the grass, his posting is weak his play style meek but he is nothing more than useless, a pain in the ass. you have a recent game for me to look at?
Mafia LIX for weak posting and massive AFK
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On March 11 2013 11:34 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 11:18 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 11:06 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 10:51 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2013 10:13 Mocsta wrote:
OK. caught up.
(1) This game is super fucked with all the rhymers.
Promes are the most easily interpreted. I am happy to keep him around out of the rhymers (left)
i.e. Bugs to me reads like Chezinu in Mafia LX = White Noise....
(2) Yam shot; makes me lean scum... The guy was town TODAY, and confirmed at that... Martyr isn't a solid reason to drop our numbers down like this. The game is to lynch scum; not confirmed town.
(3) Strong and Big case on Oats reads well, and the points are valid.
But I know Oats meta/personality pretty damn well. Hes reading slightly town to me so far.
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I am more concerned Corazon (who has played with Oats recently in Duelist Mafia) is keeping his options open on Oats (if yam doesnt gain traction)..
Its early game, & we all know reads are subject to change...
Why keep his options open like this?
Why say, "I like the case but pushing my own reads anyways"?
Why does he even agree with the read in the first place?
Reads as over-eager ass-kissing to me.
@Corazon
Now that Yamato has taken a Day2 shot, I expect you to put your money where your mouth is, and make a judgment on his alignment and follow through accordingly.
##Vote: cDgCorazon i dont understand this vote. You say yamatos shot makes you think he is scum yet you are coting for cor for some reason why? I said, yam action makes me lean scum. But in my mind, corazon handling of S/B case just read forced to me. OK, so he confirmed he voted for Yam, but, it still doesnt go any way to explain his management of SnB Oats case? His rebuttal is: You're lazy. What else am I supposed to say? You didn't ask any questions, you just came to conclusions. Not only were you lazy and basically lied about my stance on a Yamato lynch, you basically said "Corazon is scum beacuse..." and put it in question form, basically saying you do not care about my answer and that you are going to sit here and use your vote on me as an excuse to not scumhunt and post silly pictures of whatever you posted before. Your vote is fucking stupid. Asking for the same reply I give everyone else, just with a reply to your quote, is just you trying to look like you are scumhunting. Do you really think I am scummier than Yamato or anyone else who has been discussed as possible scum so far? This is COMPLETELY different reasoning to "reads are subject to change" and is not town like. Town will push their target for lynch until it is proven they are innocent or guilty. You did not do this; you said, I will stick with yamato, and can then move to oats if that fails... wishy-washy and indicative of scum not giving a shit on who they vote for. LOL When in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Read my fucking filter and stop putting words in my mouth... Mocsta, your argument is ridiculously stupid and you're wasting everyone's time with this shit.
Heres your filter dive
(1) + Show Spoiler [yamato tunnel] +On March 10 2013 13:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
Here's what I do not want to see from anyone in this town(in no particular order):
Lurking
BS
Confusing Posts
Being Scum
Lying
Decrypted Messages
Being Scum
Disagreeing with me
Being Scum. So why do you immediately attack yamato? Surely it must be for something you put in your first list, right? On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're pursuing yamato for an absolutely stupid reason... Grammar & a stupid meta-hypothesis. its a 25 player game, and about a handful had posted; why the fuck would he anyone have the scum team down pat.This is just stupid, meaningless aggression that goes no where. Then, there is your "question" to him: rhetorical at best, and derogatory at worst. Exactly the type of outcome town seeks ... NOTLets keep chugging along please. You then continue discourse solely with Yamato even though he is politely saying I am not entering a war of words with you; and start talking about Duel mafia (instead of the actual game).You build lots of suspicion on yamato, and then, retreat. why... because maybe its a "personality influencing him" + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're a buzzkill Not fighting with aggressive people this game just finding mafia So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia? What position are you talking about? I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play? Lol. The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen
I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Then you rescind to a meta argument to support the yam claim.. which is interesting.. because you dont apply a meta read to oats (with SnB case) YET you just played Duel mafia with yamato and oatsOn March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely. You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far. Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. More meaningless insults that go no where. On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yamato if you were playing to anyone's town meta you would not be playing this badly.
You're just trying to stir up BS and you are calling people out for stuff that you have not done either (which basically means you called someone out for something).
You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town.
Why you so scummy? Again, more living in the past of Duel Mafia as reasoning for his Yamato tunneling. On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one. No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum readsAND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Absolute stupid vote rational. On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? So not only has this tunneling of Yamato been founded upon nothing except living in the past, and grammar.
He now votes the guy, because he wasn't around when Corazon thinks he should be around....
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(2) + Show Spoiler [SnB] +CorazonWhen in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Here: Implicitly On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of? What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"? I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... (1) Says he has been scum hunting? I already proved his reasoning for targeting yamato were stupid and meaningless? (2) Clearly says the SnB case is convincing... why mention the deadline comment? Because it would lose traction. This is implicitly stating he would support it, if it came about later in the cycle. Yet he has the audacity to tell me, he never said anything of the sort? On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen.
I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. And this is where he is setting himself up to move onto Oats whenever Yam loses traction. it reads pretty clear to me.
tl;dr
Corazon says he been scum hunting.. but the effort has been fruitless and lacking of town conviction.
He hasnt obtained any real information from his target; nor prodded yamato for meaningful discourse.
He then follows up with a vote, cos they guy might have been asleep or having a drink with mates - i.e. wasn't around for an hour.
All meek attempts to scum hunt, and indicative of scum taking the easy road.
Then with the SnB case, clearly says he likes it..but its a "townie" thing to push your own case instead so will do that. LOl
Doesnt even give reasoning to why the case is good (when others clearly do not agree with it as valid on Oats)
Again, setting himself up for an easy switch, if yam loses traction.
Again, scummy play.
##Vote: Corazon
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On March 11 2013 12:04 Promethelax wrote:
I say mr Moc needs a vote over stutt
the former is scum, the latter a butt
what it is you see
to make you want to hang cDg?
Atrocious does not make a scum from a nut.
Your the one pushing for Bugs based on nothing but unreadable posts. "Translation: Nothing but air
Dare I say, he might be easy to rhyme with, hence your asphyxiation towards him.
I just proved to you, you were already bullshitting about reasoning. Yet, you call me scum.
Where did I say this?
When i showed you, bugs has NOT posted since kurumi was killed.
Yet one of your reasons for him being scum, is that he changed his post structure when kurumi died to "..."
It is YOU who is not reading.
If you want to scum hunt on bugs, start finding some real evidence; and stop wasting your time on me. I know my role pm and I know my alignment. I am scum hunting, and cDgCorazon is my #1.
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On March 11 2013 12:18 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 12:11 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 12:04 Promethelax wrote:
I say mr Moc needs a vote over stutt
the former is scum, the latter a butt
what it is you see
to make you want to hang cDg?
Atrocious does not make a scum from a nut. Your the one pushing for Bugs based on nothing but unreadable posts. "Translation: Nothing but airDare I say, he might be easy to rhyme with, hence your asphyxiation towards him.I just proved to you, you were already bullshitting about reasoning. Yet, you call me scum. Where did I say this? When i showed you, bugs has NOT posted since kurumi was killed. Yet one of your reasons for him being scum, is that he changed his post structure when kurumi died to "..." It is YOU who is not reading. If you want to scum hunt on bugs, start finding some real evidence; and stop wasting your time on me. I know my role pm and I know my alignment. I am scum hunting, and cDgCorazon is my #1. Moc if you think you are scumhunting, you better look it up in the dictionary. You're piggybacking off of Vivax and Marv's arguments and you're only calling Prome's posts unreadable because he is basically saying you are playing bad. You REALLY think Yamato is scummier than me? Just think about it... Excuse me?
Piggy back off what? Are we even reading the same game?
All Vivax done is say we shouldnt lurk.
Marv is questioning BC motives.
Whats that got to do with what I am pushing? Keeping build those thin arguments Cora.
& No, I dont think yam is scummier than you...
Case on Corazon
Read that, its my case on you. I can forgive you for missing it.. because the thread is shitting up.
That should answer your question: Yeah, you are way scummier to me than yam.
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On March 11 2013 12:18 Promethelax wrote:
maybe the structure of my posts is hard for you
but by "..." I meant Bugs said nothing, and nothing which he would later rue
Maybe you dont realise.. but bugs last or second last post says
"rat..."
It was pretty easy to misinterpret what you wrote.. and hence, why all this rhyming is bullshit as I have already been saying.
Didn't realise it was scummy to keep up with the thread and struggle to figure out what you rhymists are saying...
Sounds to me, your writing what ever agenda is easiest to rhyme with...
P.S. the "..." means extended pause for accentuation, not nothing.
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On March 11 2013 12:27 Promethelax wrote:
he flip flops on oats
using you as an out
he has this idea that it is good being a sheep
that it doesn't make him a creep.
He isn't trying to give himself clout.
You just filter dive, and post what suits your agenda... or actually read things in context?
Why would I have a read on oats from the start? Course reads can flip flop prome. You know Day1 early reads are meaningless and subject to change.
Your point is simply... stupid.
My case on bugs is strong
though it words it is not long
but Mocs says its a policy
doesn't see Bugs' idolatry
Moc is misunderstanding a good case. What a shlong.
The summary of your reasoning on me is: I dont like your bugs case.. so I must be bugs scum supporter.
Thats weak ass reasoning.
I still havent seen an actually case on Bugs, showing why what he is doing is scummy.
All I have seen is some saying, writing "unreadable" is a tactic some have done as scum in the past.
So yeah, its a fuckn policy lynch. I call it like I see it.
When you can write a lame limerick, clearly detailing mafia motive in Bugs "white noise" filter, I will reconsider calling it a scum lynch.
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On March 11 2013 12:31 cDgCorazon wrote:Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 06:31 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of? What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"? I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... [vivax] You think his argument is very good? His case is pretty big what exactly do you think is good about it or what parts do you think are good? If you think his argument is good why aren't you pushing Oats and say we're far away from deadline? [/vivax] I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case. I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious  Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then? You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ?  ) Marv: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote:
oh I will repeat that
I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE
thanks so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is? hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?). Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish. Mocsta: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 12:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 11:34 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 11:18 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 11:06 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 10:51 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2013 10:13 Mocsta wrote:
OK. caught up.
(1) This game is super fucked with all the rhymers.
Promes are the most easily interpreted. I am happy to keep him around out of the rhymers (left)
i.e. Bugs to me reads like Chezinu in Mafia LX = White Noise....
(2) Yam shot; makes me lean scum... The guy was town TODAY, and confirmed at that... Martyr isn't a solid reason to drop our numbers down like this. The game is to lynch scum; not confirmed town.
(3) Strong and Big case on Oats reads well, and the points are valid.
But I know Oats meta/personality pretty damn well. Hes reading slightly town to me so far.
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I am more concerned Corazon (who has played with Oats recently in Duelist Mafia) is keeping his options open on Oats (if yam doesnt gain traction)..
Its early game, & we all know reads are subject to change...
Why keep his options open like this?
Why say, "I like the case but pushing my own reads anyways"?
Why does he even agree with the read in the first place?
Reads as over-eager ass-kissing to me.
@Corazon
Now that Yamato has taken a Day2 shot, I expect you to put your money where your mouth is, and make a judgment on his alignment and follow through accordingly.
##Vote: cDgCorazon i dont understand this vote. You say yamatos shot makes you think he is scum yet you are coting for cor for some reason why? I said, yam action makes me lean scum. But in my mind, corazon handling of S/B case just read forced to me. OK, so he confirmed he voted for Yam, but, it still doesnt go any way to explain his management of SnB Oats case? His rebuttal is: You're lazy. What else am I supposed to say? You didn't ask any questions, you just came to conclusions. Not only were you lazy and basically lied about my stance on a Yamato lynch, you basically said "Corazon is scum beacuse..." and put it in question form, basically saying you do not care about my answer and that you are going to sit here and use your vote on me as an excuse to not scumhunt and post silly pictures of whatever you posted before. Your vote is fucking stupid. Asking for the same reply I give everyone else, just with a reply to your quote, is just you trying to look like you are scumhunting. Do you really think I am scummier than Yamato or anyone else who has been discussed as possible scum so far? This is COMPLETELY different reasoning to "reads are subject to change" and is not town like. Town will push their target for lynch until it is proven they are innocent or guilty. You did not do this; you said, I will stick with yamato, and can then move to oats if that fails... wishy-washy and indicative of scum not giving a shit on who they vote for. LOL When in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Read my fucking filter and stop putting words in my mouth... Mocsta, your argument is ridiculously stupid and you're wasting everyone's time with this shit.
Heres your filter dive (1) + Show Spoiler [yamato tunnel] +On March 10 2013 13:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
Here's what I do not want to see from anyone in this town(in no particular order):
Lurking
BS
Confusing Posts
Being Scum
Lying
Decrypted Messages
Being Scum
Disagreeing with me
Being Scum. So why do you immediately attack yamato? Surely it must be for something you put in your first list, right? On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're pursuing yamato for an absolutely stupid reason... Grammar & a stupid meta-hypothesis. its a 25 player game, and about a handful had posted; why the fuck would he anyone have the scum team down pat.This is just stupid, meaningless aggression that goes no where. Then, there is your "question" to him: rhetorical at best, and derogatory at worst. Exactly the type of outcome town seeks ... NOTLets keep chugging along please. You then continue discourse solely with Yamato even though he is politely saying I am not entering a war of words with you; and start talking about Duel mafia (instead of the actual game).You build lots of suspicion on yamato, and then, retreat. why... because maybe its a "personality influencing him" + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're a buzzkill Not fighting with aggressive people this game just finding mafia So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia? What position are you talking about? I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play? Lol. The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen
I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Then you rescind to a meta argument to support the yam claim.. which is interesting.. because you dont apply a meta read to oats (with SnB case) YET you just played Duel mafia with yamato and oatsOn March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely. You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far. Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. More meaningless insults that go no where. On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yamato if you were playing to anyone's town meta you would not be playing this badly.
You're just trying to stir up BS and you are calling people out for stuff that you have not done either (which basically means you called someone out for something).
You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town.
Why you so scummy? Again, more living in the past of Duel Mafia as reasoning for his Yamato tunneling. On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one. No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum readsAND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Absolute stupid vote rational. On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? So not only has this tunneling of Yamato been founded upon nothing except living in the past, and grammar.
He now votes the guy, because he wasn't around when Corazon thinks he should be around....============= (2) + Show Spoiler [SnB] +CorazonWhen in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Here: Implicitly On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of? What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"? I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... (1) Says he has been scum hunting? I already proved his reasoning for targeting yamato were stupid and meaningless? (2) Clearly says the SnB case is convincing... why mention the deadline comment? Because it would lose traction. This is implicitly stating he would support it, if it came about later in the cycle. Yet he has the audacity to tell me, he never said anything of the sort? On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen.
I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. And this is where he is setting himself up to move onto Oats whenever Yam loses traction. it reads pretty clear to me. Corazon says he been scum hunting.. but the effort has been fruitless and lacking of town conviction. He hasnt obtained any real information from his target; nor prodded yamato for meaningful discourse. He then follows up with a vote, cos they guy might have been asleep or having a drink with mates - i.e. wasn't around for an hour. All meek attempts to scum hunt, and indicative of scum taking the easy road. Then with the SnB case, clearly says he likes it..but its a "townie" thing to push your own case instead so will do that. LOl Doesnt even give reasoning to why the case is good (when others clearly do not agree with it as valid on Oats) Again, setting himself up for an easy switch, if yam loses traction. Again, scummy play. ##Vote: Corazon These posts look very similar...are you sure you aren't piggybacking off of them? Kicking someone when they're down is not a very town thing to do, especially when you just rehash the arguments that knocked them down in the first place. Not looking good for you Moc.
Right...
Corazon lets make this clear.
The posts you quoted, are general comments in the thread.
Did they call you scum? The answer is no.
Did they vote you? The answer is no.
Did I call you scum and vote you? The answer is yes.
I dont see any piggy backing + I was asleep when those posts were made regardless.
Using your logic, the only people who can be town: are the ones who are first to raise an issue Thats dumb. And you know it.
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On March 11 2013 12:33 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 12:30 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 12:18 Promethelax wrote:
maybe the structure of my posts is hard for you
but by "..." I meant Bugs said nothing, and nothing which he would later rue Maybe you dont realise.. but bugs last or second last post says "rat..." It was pretty easy to misinterpret what you wrote.. and hence, why all this rhyming is bullshit as I have already been saying. Didn't realise it was scummy to keep up with the thread and struggle to figure out what you rhymists are saying... Sounds to me, your writing what ever agenda is easiest to rhyme with... P.S. the "..." means extended pause for accentuation, not nothing. marv, let me present exhibit d why Mocsta is scummy he herein calls me a greenie but also calls me scum, what a weanie so I say: moc is scum q.e.d.
More rhymes for the sake of rhymes, with little to context.
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On March 11 2013 12:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 12:36 Mocsta wrote:
Why would I have a read on oats from the start? Course reads can flip flop prome. You know Day1 early reads are meaningless and subject to change.
It's shit like this that really makes me wonder if lynching Yamato D1 is a good idea... So you just basically called me scum for being flip-floppity about Oats and now you're being flip-floppity about Oats? Scum logic?
LOL. completely different situation.
How can you not tell?
Entering conversation with Oats, I had a null read on him.
I decided to prod him on some items, that actually gave me slight alignment reads on him.
Thats a huge difference between what you and yamato did.
I demonstrated in my case on you, how u just tunnel him with no care to find out more about yamato.
I demonstarted in my case on you, how u liked SnB Oats case and set yourself up to jump shit as required.
There is no similarity in our approach to the game Corazon.
You are the one who exhibits scum logic.
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On March 11 2013 12:42 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 12:31 cDgCorazon wrote:Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 06:31 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of? What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"? I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... [vivax] You think his argument is very good? His case is pretty big what exactly do you think is good about it or what parts do you think are good? If you think his argument is good why aren't you pushing Oats and say we're far away from deadline? [/vivax] I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case. I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then? You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ? ) Marv: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote:
oh I will repeat that
I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE
thanks so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is? hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?). Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish. Mocsta: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 12:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 11:34 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 11:18 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 11:06 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 10:51 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2013 10:13 Mocsta wrote:
OK. caught up.
(1) This game is super fucked with all the rhymers.
Promes are the most easily interpreted. I am happy to keep him around out of the rhymers (left)
i.e. Bugs to me reads like Chezinu in Mafia LX = White Noise....
(2) Yam shot; makes me lean scum... The guy was town TODAY, and confirmed at that... Martyr isn't a solid reason to drop our numbers down like this. The game is to lynch scum; not confirmed town.
(3) Strong and Big case on Oats reads well, and the points are valid.
But I know Oats meta/personality pretty damn well. Hes reading slightly town to me so far.
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I am more concerned Corazon (who has played with Oats recently in Duelist Mafia) is keeping his options open on Oats (if yam doesnt gain traction)..
Its early game, & we all know reads are subject to change...
Why keep his options open like this?
Why say, "I like the case but pushing my own reads anyways"?
Why does he even agree with the read in the first place?
Reads as over-eager ass-kissing to me.
@Corazon
Now that Yamato has taken a Day2 shot, I expect you to put your money where your mouth is, and make a judgment on his alignment and follow through accordingly.
##Vote: cDgCorazon i dont understand this vote. You say yamatos shot makes you think he is scum yet you are coting for cor for some reason why? I said, yam action makes me lean scum. But in my mind, corazon handling of S/B case just read forced to me. OK, so he confirmed he voted for Yam, but, it still doesnt go any way to explain his management of SnB Oats case? His rebuttal is: You're lazy. What else am I supposed to say? You didn't ask any questions, you just came to conclusions. Not only were you lazy and basically lied about my stance on a Yamato lynch, you basically said "Corazon is scum beacuse..." and put it in question form, basically saying you do not care about my answer and that you are going to sit here and use your vote on me as an excuse to not scumhunt and post silly pictures of whatever you posted before. Your vote is fucking stupid. Asking for the same reply I give everyone else, just with a reply to your quote, is just you trying to look like you are scumhunting. Do you really think I am scummier than Yamato or anyone else who has been discussed as possible scum so far? This is COMPLETELY different reasoning to "reads are subject to change" and is not town like. Town will push their target for lynch until it is proven they are innocent or guilty. You did not do this; you said, I will stick with yamato, and can then move to oats if that fails... wishy-washy and indicative of scum not giving a shit on who they vote for. LOL When in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Read my fucking filter and stop putting words in my mouth... Mocsta, your argument is ridiculously stupid and you're wasting everyone's time with this shit.
Heres your filter dive (1) + Show Spoiler [yamato tunnel] +On March 10 2013 13:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
Here's what I do not want to see from anyone in this town(in no particular order):
Lurking
BS
Confusing Posts
Being Scum
Lying
Decrypted Messages
Being Scum
Disagreeing with me
Being Scum. So why do you immediately attack yamato? Surely it must be for something you put in your first list, right? On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're pursuing yamato for an absolutely stupid reason... Grammar & a stupid meta-hypothesis. its a 25 player game, and about a handful had posted; why the fuck would he anyone have the scum team down pat.This is just stupid, meaningless aggression that goes no where. Then, there is your "question" to him: rhetorical at best, and derogatory at worst. Exactly the type of outcome town seeks ... NOTLets keep chugging along please. You then continue discourse solely with Yamato even though he is politely saying I am not entering a war of words with you; and start talking about Duel mafia (instead of the actual game).You build lots of suspicion on yamato, and then, retreat. why... because maybe its a "personality influencing him" + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're a buzzkill Not fighting with aggressive people this game just finding mafia So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia? What position are you talking about? I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play? Lol. The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen
I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Then you rescind to a meta argument to support the yam claim.. which is interesting.. because you dont apply a meta read to oats (with SnB case) YET you just played Duel mafia with yamato and oatsOn March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely. You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far. Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. More meaningless insults that go no where. On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yamato if you were playing to anyone's town meta you would not be playing this badly.
You're just trying to stir up BS and you are calling people out for stuff that you have not done either (which basically means you called someone out for something).
You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town.
Why you so scummy? Again, more living in the past of Duel Mafia as reasoning for his Yamato tunneling. On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one. No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum readsAND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Absolute stupid vote rational. On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? So not only has this tunneling of Yamato been founded upon nothing except living in the past, and grammar.
He now votes the guy, because he wasn't around when Corazon thinks he should be around....============= (2) + Show Spoiler [SnB] +CorazonWhen in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Here: Implicitly On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of? What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"? I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... (1) Says he has been scum hunting? I already proved his reasoning for targeting yamato were stupid and meaningless? (2) Clearly says the SnB case is convincing... why mention the deadline comment? Because it would lose traction. This is implicitly stating he would support it, if it came about later in the cycle. Yet he has the audacity to tell me, he never said anything of the sort? On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen.
I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. And this is where he is setting himself up to move onto Oats whenever Yam loses traction. it reads pretty clear to me. Corazon says he been scum hunting.. but the effort has been fruitless and lacking of town conviction. He hasnt obtained any real information from his target; nor prodded yamato for meaningful discourse. He then follows up with a vote, cos they guy might have been asleep or having a drink with mates - i.e. wasn't around for an hour. All meek attempts to scum hunt, and indicative of scum taking the easy road. Then with the SnB case, clearly says he likes it..but its a "townie" thing to push your own case instead so will do that. LOl Doesnt even give reasoning to why the case is good (when others clearly do not agree with it as valid on Oats) Again, setting himself up for an easy switch, if yam loses traction. Again, scummy play. ##Vote: Corazon These posts look very similar...are you sure you aren't piggybacking off of them? Kicking someone when they're down is not a very town thing to do, especially when you just rehash the arguments that knocked them down in the first place. Not looking good for you Moc. Right... Corazon lets make this clear. The posts you quoted, are general comments in the thread. Did they call you scum? The answer is no. Did they vote you? The answer is no. Did I call you scum and vote you? The answer is yes. I dont see any piggy backing + I was asleep when those posts were made regardless. Using your logic, the only people who can be town: are the ones who are first to raise an issue Thats dumb. And you know it. I have a problem when you piggyback off other people's arguments and then you can't even admit that you are piggybacking off of them. You're completely taking their momentum and just using it to run me into the ground...where's the town motivation behind that? Bring something new to the scum hunt. So instead of dispelling my case..
you try to trump it by saying I piggy backed people.
Classic Scum strat Cora: attack the player, not the argument
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On March 11 2013 12:48 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 12:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 12:36 Mocsta wrote:
Why would I have a read on oats from the start? Course reads can flip flop prome. You know Day1 early reads are meaningless and subject to change.
It's shit like this that really makes me wonder if lynching Yamato D1 is a good idea... So you just basically called me scum for being flip-floppity about Oats and now you're being flip-floppity about Oats? Scum logic? LOL. completely different situation. How can you not tell? Entering conversation with Oats, I had a null read on him. I decided to prod him on some items, that actually gave me slight alignment reads on him. Thats a huge difference between what you and yamato did. I demonstrated in my case on you, how u just tunnel him with no care to find out more about yamato. I demonstarted in my case on you, how u liked SnB Oats case and set yourself up to jump shit as required. There is no similarity in our approach to the game Corazon. You are the one who exhibits scum logic. Once again, I have my reasons for voting Yamato. Read my filter...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=34#669
Already commented on the whole situation in my case on you.
Your reasons for voting yamato were stupid and a weak attempt at justification.
"I am voting for yam, because I expected him to comment right now"
This is stupid.. and satisfies your weak reasoning for tunneling him in the first place (attacking a grammar post...)
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On March 11 2013 12:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh Mocsta, discrediting everyone who attacks you as scum? I thought better of you.
What's your beef with Promethelax? I'm serious, I want to know. I'm taking what he says at face value right now because I'm able to follow his thought process based on his posts - but if I should be suspicious then convince me rather than just trying to paint his rhyming as scummy.
???
Where do I call Prome scum
I am saying, he is making arguments that are easy to rhyme >> making rhymes that explain his perspective in full context
I said prior, out of all the rhymers, I liked prome the most.
My request on him was simple (for ppl not posting in limericks)
If bugs was scum, give more reasons than just.. because his filter is unreadable.
The combination of his last limerick, and what you said, is starting to make some kind of sense.
but.. i still prefer corazon. His unwillingness to address any points I raise to him by throwing ad-hominem comments around is very concerning.
My vote remains on corazon.
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On March 11 2013 13:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
What is your point on him? That his reaction to someone else's case on someone else was forced? What are you even trying to say with this point? Why does what you're saying he's doing about someone else's case about someone else make him scum necessarily?
I presume you are talking to me?
My point on him is 2
(1) Yamato.. That is his sole "scum hunt" target so far. And the attempts are poor. He is never trying to discern Yamato alignment. Instead, he just insta-calls yam scum, and uses references from "duel mafia" as excuses to keep tunneling him.
This is then followed up by a vote, cos the guy was not around to comment on something.
Its all pretty weak attempts, and play I wouldnt expect even from a newbie town.
(2) Oats case
Yes, my problem is that the case on SnB had nice points; but it doesnt apply to Oats game. I already said why in 1 sentence.
"Oats town game: is all about pointing fingers and asking dumb questions".
Consider, Cora just played with oats, and said he agreed with SnB case.. but never extrapolated. (even though he used the same game to give a meta scum read on yam....thats funny play right there)
So yeah, I think its scummy that he tunnels yamato so hard, yet, leaves him an option to jump ship to oats.
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The magic third point then is how he responded to pressure.
Instead of answering any of my accusations; he just tries to throw the case away by saying i am "plagiarizing"
Thats how scum try to side-step cases.
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On March 11 2013 13:37 cDgCorazon wrote:1. His initial reaction to my case.Yamato's first reaction to my case is basically calling it stupid. Why did he call it stupid? Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:44 yamato77 wrote:
I'm calling you out for having a bad excuse for a scum read; me.
A case being stupid just because it is against you is not a legitimate defense. He basically refused to answer my main points: 2. He is playing absolutely nothing like his town meta The usual town Yamato is active, fearless, and does not care about anyone else's opinions. This should be ridiculously obvious from his duel with Hapa from Duel Mafia. As you can see from the quote in my original argument, he did not care if he died, as long as his top scumread went down with him. He was spot on in his duel with Hapa and that should have fueled his confidence even higher from this game (Marv said in Obs QT how Yamato was being a bit cocky at the beginning from getting the scumteam in the game before Duel Mafia). A town Yamato would be riding this wave of confidence. Instead, what have we seen from Yamato so far? A whole different game. His game has been far from aggressive. He's been timid, crumbled under pressure, run away from challenges, and has gone hiding while the town deliberates who to lynch. 3. Lurking and lack of scum huntingYamato's filter has been a lot of 1-liners and shitting up the thread. He's been attacking players, but not following through on them. His initial attacks on VE were based on one very weak point, yet he continued to call VE scum without expanding on that point. His other scumhunting contributions have been wondering whether Kurumi is the next coming of Chezinu, and that bugs might be scum (without any explanation) His defense of me was basically backing down and trying to avoid confrontation with my argument. His whole defense was that my read was wrong because it was on him. I don't think so. Ever since then, he basically disappeared from the thread, only to reenter to: 4. His kill (?) of KurumiI honestly don't understand this move. If he knew Kurumi was town and if Yamato was town, Yamato would not have gone on to kill Kurumi. Anyone who would kill a townie cannot possibly be town. Is that bad logic? Another possibility is that he is lying, but what would he gain from that? Could he be trying to cover for someone else? Either way, there is no town motivation in either his check/kill of Kurumi or claim of what happened to Kurumi. These are the reasons I think Yamato is scum and that he needs to be lynched. I, Corazon, the King of Hearts, decree that Yamato must be lynched, or this town shall feel my wrath!
I am a good host, so you will not receive a points deduction for prioritising your "scum read" case, over addressing my points against you.
Having said that, the case put forth is sub-par:
1. His initial reaction to my case.
Disagree with the tell. Did the exact same thing with both me and jaybrundage in nomination mafia (as town).
Your tell is m00t.
2. He is playing absolutely nothing like his town meta
Your giving a meta read from one game?
Are you not the guy that got ripped a new one for telling Marv how to apply meta in Duel mafia? o.0
Fact is: this is a themed game where some are choosing to imitate their personalities.
As long as they dont hide behind the personality to fake-hunt.. all good in my books.
Disagree with the tell. Whether he plays like town meta or not, is irrelevant in a game such as this.
Your tell is m00t (and hypocritical to boot: was yam not "fearless" in calling VE scum?)
3. Lurking and lack of scum hunting
Several in the thread were doubting Kurumi before the town announcement? Does this mean they lacked scum hunting in their filter as well?
The game hadn't even migrated past 24hrs, and you calling out someone with multiple posts a lurker?
This is truly grasping at straws. Disagree with the tell.
4. His kill (?) of Kurumi
Agree with the tell, as does pretty much everyone else in the thread.
<sarcasm>Why you piggy backing off others...</sarcasm>
tl;dr
You throw shit over my case on you, using ad-hominem arguments.
You then proceed to ignore my case, by developing said case against yamato.
The case against yamato is sub-par; much like your justification to vote him, and your reasons to immediately tunnel him.
OK, so I give you some conviction points for sticking to your guns; but overall, the effort looks lazy with hastily conjured points to boot.
I don't like -at all- Yamato Kill action of a mod-confirmed town; but you, cDgCorazon; are still my top scum read.
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On March 11 2013 14:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I assume they all hold the same weight (1 vote).
Big assumption to make?
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On March 11 2013 13:18 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 12:53 Promethelax wrote:On March 11 2013 12:48 Stutters695 wrote:
@oats: hiro has never witnessed my greatness, that's not surprising. Interesting he hasn't said anything about it since however. please help me young stutters I have a plan my brother it involves you telling me who you suspect who do you want to get the rope 'round their neck? I don't know who it is you want to smother. Hiro is not the traitor we seek today. More than this I can't really say.
"traitor" interesting choice of words.
OK, you can't talk more about the traitor.. why don't you talk more about who we should lynch?
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Decided to do a re-read.
On March 11 2013 05:16 Promethelax wrote:
So I lay down my vote to elect this thug
though I've read the thread slow as a slug,
for the moment I think he is our best flip
this man is scum, though he hasn't scum-slipped.
So for now I say ##Vote: Bugs
Prome, this was the exact reason I struggled with to support a bugs lynch. The filter was white-noise with no definitive scum-tells.
However, having gone through WBG filter (as best I could)
I noticed he said this ~20min after the town annoucement of Kurumi.
On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse
but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence.
So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge?
I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid. I didnt realise he was aware Kurumi was town, and still openly supported his death. I can't make any sense of this from a town perspective. Yam is dodgy too, but at least he has his "pro gf snipe" comment. Bugs does indeed have "nothing".
With this context, and what prome/VE said before; I can agree to put Corazon on hold (for this cycle).
##Vote: WBG
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On March 11 2013 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta you're just inventing reasoning to stay on Cora at this point. Confirmation bias is something I didn't expect from you. You continue to surprise me again and again, and not in a good way.
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Firstly VE thanks for the <3; but my other former newbie coaches would beg to differ
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Regardless, I am not seeing this confirmation bias?
What I see is: Corazon calls out yamato for dodging his case as "stupid" thus = scum
Then Corazon proceeds to replicate this behaviour when I make a case on him!
Riddle me this: Do you disagree with my corazon assessment, because
You think corazon is town?
OR
because you think my case is biased/weak?
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