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you're not town Vivax.
On March 12 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax needs to be ignored as a liar as well now. He defended Foolishness, and attacked me, on the basis of points that he'd not even read. How can he call Foolishness correct and me wrong when he hasn't even read the exchange? If he had read the exchange it would be quite clear Foolish was lying.
Therefore Vivax is just attacking me for the sake of attacking me, and defending Foolish for the sake of defending Foolish, without actually reading the relevant material.
If town this is just disgraceful, and if mafia it makes a lot of sense.
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On March 12 2013 22:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz. I said im watching you first. So your list means diddly squat. You keep pretending to make those contributions Acro.
What's the point in this post, Mocsta? :/
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On March 12 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax needs to be ignored as a liar as well now. He defended Foolishness, and attacked me, on the basis of points that he'd not even read. How can he call Foolishness correct and me wrong when he hasn't even read the exchange? If he had read the exchange it would be quite clear Foolish was lying.
Therefore Vivax is just attacking me for the sake of attacking me, and defending Foolish for the sake of defending Foolish, without actually reading the relevant material.
If town this is just disgraceful, and if mafia it makes a lot of sense.
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Can you answer why you did this, Vivax? I seriously would like to know how you can defend Foolish and attack me on an issue that you've not even read.
Please enlighten me.
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ok Mocsta, but I don't see why you'd think he had forgotten about you. Let him do his thing and we can judge him on that.
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er, you'd forgotten about him, sorry.
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I'll stop shovelling shit at you if you can answer my question properly, Viv.
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Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one.
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On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later.
he did it twice. He did it in Bureaucracy, and he did it in Parallels. Now he's doing it here with a lie thrown in for good measure. What else can I say?
That he's town and calling me mafia based on a total lie? For what reason?
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On March 12 2013 23:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one. I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't.
The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well.
I don't understand this at all from a town perspective.
On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
On March 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote:
he [marv] also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post.
How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said.
To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post.
You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters.
On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things.
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On March 12 2013 23:31 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.
It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.
So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later. he did it twice. He did it in Bureaucracy, and he did it in Parallels. Now he's doing it here with a lie thrown in for good measure. What else can I say? That he's town and calling me mafia based on a total lie? For what reason? I don't really have a reason. Best I can chalk it up to is the same thing as with Vivax, a hastily made accusation, but that doesn't do anything because then Foolishness's participation in this game amounts to two accusations that were crappy. One he takes back, one is shown to rest on nonsense. But I don't see a reason behind the other side. If he's mafia, why call you mafia based on a lie? Why do the same thing he's done, and something that you commented on in Parallel. You have not been lynched in either game based on his accusations. I can understand someone being less wordy, more one-linery, whatever when mafia as opposed to town, but someone calling out the same player every game he's mafia being a tell? That's ridiculous. The only thing that even remotely makes sense to me is that you're both mafia and this is easy cover. Foolishness calls you out like he normal does when he's mafia and you're town. He gets lynched or vigged or something. You now point to your past games, he always does that when he's mafia and I'm town. Scum Foolishness knowing he can't stay alive forever, chooses to get oddly bussed for you. That's STILL ridiculous. But it's the only thing even remotely sensible that I can find. Which then means that something is wrong, because you/Foolish/Vivax can't be doing whatever you're doing and ALL be mafia.
austin stop being bad. why are you asking me why mafia lie to make townies look suspicious? It's mafia's MO, it's just not normally so blatant. Mafia for whatever reason repeat their mistakes all the time.
Foolishness repeated his mistake in Bureaucracy in Parallels. Wouldn't your argument in Parallels have held merit too? No, except he did it in Parallels having done it once before.
Hapahauli was caught in Mario Mafia partly because he attacked a quite clearly town iamp. Then in This Town mafia... he fucking did it again! Hapa is a clever dude yet somehow he fell into exactly the same trap.
Obviously I'm not entirely serious when I say Foolish calling me out is a tell. But when he's calling me mafia, giving himself an out "i always read him wrong" and that out is a lie... well I don't know what to tell you.
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On March 12 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:18 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one. I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't. The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well. I don't understand this at all from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote:
he [marv] also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post.
How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said. To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post.You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote:
He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you.
Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum.
Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things. Cause I didn't read things I thought you were making them up it happens when you tend to post compulsively based on not updated reads. Anyway I still lean scum on you that Foolishness thing is not the only reason but I'll post all my reasons when I see fit, for now I think arguing with you over these points only contributes to clogging up and serves no purpose cause you seem to be the only guy interested in them. Your filter is 12 pages almost all one-liners so that's already enough to deal with, did you get Bill Murray as role?
My filter is always long, it always has one-liners, and there's a shitload of stuff that isn't oneliners. Get a grip.
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On March 12 2013 23:36 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
So foolishness is town cause once bitten, twice shy.
Nothing else makes him town?
I don't know wtf makes him town. I don't like his play here, but I've only ever played with him when he was scum. I thought his suspicion on marv in Parallel was odd, but not scummy, and he turned out to be scum. In bureaucracy he didn't do oodles, but 2/3 of his primary reads were correct, when I skim that game back over, and he turned out to be scum. So...things I would normally take as townie ended with him being scum. I think I'm just influenced by the fact I've only played games with him where he's scum. But something ain't right with this Foolishness/marv/vivax bit. Or, maybe better put, something is scummy and something else is just dumb here. Unlikely to all be an elaborate show, unlikely to all be silliness.
here's a clue
look at the players lieing and misrepresenting people
look at the player who isn't
ding ding ding!
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this is hilarious. you quote a towngame where I smurfed specifically to hide my identity and change my style? Seriously Vivax?
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supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though.
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On March 12 2013 23:44 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 23:14 austinmcc wrote:Okay, read through what I've missed once. WHAT IS GOING ON!? I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo. Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous. I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them. Instead, what is this? Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Well I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps:
VE and Oats quickly. Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness said Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:
I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof. Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked." Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people." You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote:
It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads). This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not. Well yeah that was my own interpretation of his initial post on me and is also consistent with the fact I didn't look at his later posts before calling for medics on him. Consider me to have written things being still mentally in the phase before the Bugs lynch where Foolish didn't explain all his actions. Put circumstance on : "Vivax didn't read the thread properly after he went to sleep" and you will understand why I said these things. I might be lazy and bad for it but I'm not scum cause of it.
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On March 12 2013 23:45 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though. might it be at all related to though things in our qt we debated when during fruity you said he was red but it was green I said before with his spoilers I was deflated?
eh, not really. it's just feel. if he's really quiet all through day 2 then he can be worried about, but there's more pressing stuff.
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On March 12 2013 23:52 Vivax wrote:
Hey marv what pushed you to give a sudden townread on super out of nowhere when there is no reason to and you have no reasons to back it up?
Like, reason?
yamato saying lynch you, foolish, super
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On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him.
Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive?
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On March 12 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him. Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive? When you're the only one of that group taking an active interest in leading town, then yes. Docs should be on you might one, you should be a possible policy lynch day three.
I love mafia logic sometimes
only one who cares about town ----> lynch him before the people who don't
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On March 13 2013 00:00 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him. Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive? I don't really expect any of them to be alive D3. Scum has 3 KP tonight and a minimum of 2 tomorrow. Medic wifom aside, all high-profile targets should be dead, or serious scumspects by D3, and you are a high-profile target. I wouldn't include supersoft in that list, btw.
Alright. I don't really live until Day 3 very much so let's see how it goes ;p
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