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Wow I'm so glad that people are actually actively contributing to the thread, this is the atmosphere I wanted. Now only if the others can respond.
@WoS
Yep coaching helped. There was some great advice. Before I thought I was okay, I just read the Newbie guides and to me, it seemed the main point on Day 1 was to get the ideal atmosphere, which included prodding lurkers. But I was too tunneled onto it and I didn't contribute myself, putting myself in a contradictory and scummy-looking position. but after coaching, I learned that I would also have to actively participate in discussions, look for scum and pressure lurkers. And so now, I am just doing that.
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/facepalm goodbye either way? welp...
@WoS
The quick change of mind and lack of commitment to the Luneth case make it seem like you're scrambling to find something that the rest of town can sheep onto and leave you alone though, and since these cases are on lurkers they're real easy to make since they're not exactly arguing with you.....
I find the Chew case more convincing at the moment. Though the cases are on lurkers, well at least they have to say something...
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Arctic please contribute more - seriously 1-liner for huge post? Analyze it or at least spoiler it. You are looking really noobie...
@Frorgon why didn't you go after the super lurkers only now, why not earlier like me?
@OE, Frorgon and MLuneth.
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I'm honestly really confused OE. Can you clarify whether or not Frogron still one of your scum reads?
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oops OE i misread your post as
+ Show Spoiler +I didn't even go into it to try and prove him to be scum, let me know what you think of it I believe we've still got 4 hours till lynch.
i thought you referred to Frogron as he. It was Taco, my bad
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I'd like Chew, Matriarch, MLuneth, Krafla to respond. They haven't said anything since their votes. Otherwise town gets no info from my lynch.
I second Omni's post about Arctic. I have to say you won't get any information from an Arctic lynch. On this basis, Frogron, you should change your vote on bduddy. for all your talk about contributions and your contributions in comparison to other posters such as bduddy and Arctic, you really need to make a stand
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@Raven that is very true. Arctic you really do need to improve your play and soon. However as for Meat, while he did provoke discussion, there was no real direction so it seems somewhat scummy.
On March 09 2013 07:00 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: MeatlessTaco
I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself. If we Lynch Arctic and he comes up Red though, we get a good deal out of it. Especially sense Meatless was pushing for us to forget about him cause he would just be replaced.
holy shit, good catch Raven, this could be golden.
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Looking forward to what Taco says.
I'll be rereading filters and get the scumhunting going.
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##Unvote
Right now, I'm a more in favor of a Daishi vote. He has looked quite scummy since appearing and his voting is rather lacking in conviction. He attempts to analyze, but it's severely lacking and since then he has virtually disappeared. If town, he should still be trying though to scumhunt.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2013 06:07 Arctic Daishi wrote:I honestly do not believe that nobodywonder is scummy, he seems to honestly want what's best for the town. Also, he has been very defeatist since being accused and has stated his intention of welcoming his lynching if it helps the town. I hereby: Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 05:44 Arctic Daishi wrote:On March 09 2013 03:37 OmniEulogy wrote:My Case on FrorgonOn March 07 2013 22:29 Frorgon wrote:
Good morning all.
Glad to see things picking up a bit now.
As far as the discussion on "lurkers", I don't think it can be considered an applicable label for anyone as of yet, I mean there is still a lot of time left in day 1. But I will definitely be keeping my eye out over the next few hours.I also agree that I'd rather find a logical reason to lynch someone on day 1 instead of just randomly choosing someone. I'm not afraid to call people out but it seems quite scummy to just attack someone without any useful contribution behind it.
Also bduddy, you can claim you are lurking for personal reasons, but how are we to know this is true? You were warned before this game started that you should only commit if you had the proper amount of free time. A busy schedule is no excuse, so I do hope you contribute. I believe now it is applicable to call you a lurker. I'm kind of confused as to why you think it is scummy to attack people to see their reactions and how they react under pressure. I've seen players vote on almost everybody in the game by the end of D1 who weren't scum but were fishing for information, I have yet to see scum play so ballsy. You claim to not be afraid to call people out on things but when you tried you were almost afraid to commit and were very back and forth about it. On March 08 2013 06:29 Frorgon wrote:
@OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up. "The amount you talk to yourself while nobody is here raises a red flag, everything you've said while more than 1 person has been here has been awesome!" what? This to me seems like scum trying to pretend to contribute while at the same time not trying to make anybody upset. It wouldn't have made me look at it twice if you had been active and contributing but as we all know you've made 4 posts in nearly 48 hours. This is not acceptable for town. This is the behavior of scum. On March 08 2013 19:15 Frorgon wrote:
Alright I'm back. In my opinion, bduddy is not making a good case for himself. That's 3 different excuses for being inactive right now due to his "busy life". I really don't care about how busy your life is.
Nobodywonder still looking real scummy. Unvotes bduddy after the terrible explanation provided. I'm thinking they could both be scum covering for each other. NW makes a case early on against bduddy without actually being serious about it so there are no reprocussions. Bduddy has his suspicion on people who in my opinion don't same overly scummy as of yet, and is defending NW.
Right now I'm narrowing down my vote between NW and bduddy and I plan to make an actual vote shortly after they respond, if they respond. There should still be a decent amount of time on the clock for D1 after my vote. So many things wrong with your last post. - Attacks the weakest player in the game NW, WITHOUT placing a vote. Just a casual "wow you are so scummy" - Makes an association case between NW and Bduddy. - Claims he will make his case and we will have plenty of time to analyze and go over it. Nice case he's made. ##Vote: FrogronWe need to step it up town. The only two players I can identify as even having a chance at being town are Krafla and Rainbows. If you are town and have been content to just stay quiet and not contribute, wake the fuck up. Nobody is getting replaced tonight, stop talking about it. Everybody has posted D1 the only way somebody is getting replaced is if they don't vote. The following players are also on my list of potential scum Arctic Daishi - Playing the noob card after lurking for 36~ hours, NOT a smart move. I want to see some serious contribution from you starting D2 and if I don't I will be pushing for your lynch. Hell if Frogron can save his ass before the end of D1 from me I'll go after you in the next 7 hours. Bduddy - Lurking, scummy, if Frogron hadn't contributed less I'd be happy to see him gone today. BUT he does claim he's been busy so for D1 he gets some slack. Could just be an uninterested townie. Nothing to really disprove that so far. ChewOnStu - almost as bad as Frogron, really bad sheep vote. scummy. NobodyWonder I was going to vote on for most of today but realized if he is lynched and flips town we gain nothing, I'm not against seeing him lynched as I agree he's scummy as hell but I don't want to put all of our eggs in one basket. And then there is also Matriarch who is lurking as well... the largest problem I can see here, IS THAT THERE IS NO WAY ALL OF YOU ARE SCUM. So TOWNIES again I ask Wake The Fuck Up. I am seriously getting annoyed by the lack of activity out of you. You will cost us this game if you don't snap out of it before we end up lynching you. #unvote
#Vote: FrorgonThe Omni's case against Frorgon is simply too great to ignore.
Your strong case makes it seem as though Frorgon's scumminess is a forgone conclusion.
But what I find really weird is that he seems to somewhat doubt OE's analyse of Frogron. see the italics on the word foregone. But yet he votes anyway as simply too great to ignore. MASSIVE SHEEP.
[QUOTE]On March 09 2013 06:15 Arctic Daishi wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 09 2013 06:10 Frorgon wrote:
@Arctic What about Omni's case is so "great"? The claim that I have contributed the least? Because I'm pretty sure you've contributed less than me. Seems pretty easy for you to just sit back and buddy up with people without at least explaining why you like their case so much.
In this post:
[QUOTE]On March 08 2013 06:29 Frorgon wrote:
@OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up.[/QUOTE]
You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation?[/QUOTE]
When prodded by Frogron, Arctic doesn't really explain why his thought process.
All I know is that I want an explanation from Arctic Dash: I want to know what and how you are thinking things through.
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On March 09 2013 07:41 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:41 bduddy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:38 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:37 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 07:34 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 07:27 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote:
if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point).
I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. Well can you explain to me what we learn if Taco flips town? that I'm an idiot and can't read people. I believe he's scum but I'm willing to consolidate on Arctic to save NW for D1. Ha. So the gains either way are subjective at best. fair enough as I wasn't really considering what would happen if Taco flipped town. Arctic is pretty much a blank sheet regardless of his flip, that's how I was comparing them. But when someone comes up mafia, you learn a lot about those defending him and not defending him - especially when's he's essentially a lurker without anything concrete to go on. but nobody is defending him. lol
clarify this. now i realize my name is terrible for mafia, lets have it such that people should refer me only as NW or wonder so thread doesnt get confused
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@MLunech, alright cool, good, so you pressure voted on Krafla
On March 09 2013 07:48 MLuneth wrote:
My vote in NW stays the same because there has still been no coherent defence to tell me why NW is not scum.
I agree that other players are looking very suspicious too but I'm more confident that NW is scum than they are
as for your vote still on me, based on your wording, I assume you're not pressure voting, but actually confidently voting in me. well use you should use your confidence to town then, why do you even then want/need to confront a coherent defense?
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Right now Taco and Arctic are both looking really bad. I have already said things about Arctic and I feel that he really should respond. I doubt he is simply afk.
As for Taco. For generating content, it's not really content if it's rather directionless. So give us some reads, don't just try to act all innocent and excuse yourself from scumhunting when you yourself pointed the finger first.
On March 09 2013 07:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote:I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with On March 07 2013 14:47 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 14:06 WaveofShadow wrote:My GOD this thread is exciting.  On March 07 2013 14:17 nobodywonder wrote:
woo! ~ exciting game Nobody's only post is sheeping the experienced guy adding no new content of his own? Now you can lurk and say "I would have contributed if the game were more exciting?" That seems pretty anti-town to me. ##Vote: nobodywonder Now it's more exciting. However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:08 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? Nope, I'm not going to vote yet, I want to make an educated decision of who to vote for instead of flinging dirt and seeing what sticks Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. On March 08 2013 10:35 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 08 2013 03:08 ChewOnStu wrote:
Im finding nobodywonder scummy too for complaining about lurkers not contributing yet he's barely contributed anything himself.
##vote: nobodywonder
... Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy? On March 08 2013 14:06 MeatlessTaco wrote:
You are right. His behavior is unacceptable so far. You got anything to add Chew?
##Vote: ChewOnStu His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there. I've been re-reading the thread, only on page 25, trying to hurry up and then double check Frogron's and Chew's filters. I think the NW lynch has served its purpose. My defense quickly: My first read was picking someone was was scummy with very little information. I've been consistent in the opinion that without an instant lynch, vote for people, don't make long-winded threads saying "I don't like A, but B is bad, but maybe C". The thread had very little content. I wanted people to make a stand. Someone already caught on to this and I asked me if I really thought NW was my best scum read. I responded with how I had planned on attacking Raven, but it didn't play out like I wanted. The second I thought someone would be a better lynch than NW I switched my vote. I might switch from Chew to Frogron in a few minutes or I might not, I gotta read the last few pages and then take a look at their filters and my notes. TLDR: a bunch of lurkers saying "A or B or C might be bad, I dunno" isn't helpful.
I want your stand, You say that NW has served its purpose. Show me that what purpose that was?
##Vote: MeatlessTaco
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Taco, you still haven't answered my questions. You have replied with rhetorical questions that allows readers to guess what you think, but not really know what you think.
I do care about your reads. Any town shouldn't be discouraged whether or not his read matters, he needs to voice his opinion, participate and care.
On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote:
No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic.
##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi
and why do you say you want to post all your thoughts on day2? you can killed by mafia. this is seriously weird. The only 2 actives I could vote for, what does this mean? I cant follow you at all.
So... Taco, again tell me: What is your stand?
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Wait what? Who are you questioning?
and
How does my quote have to do with anything that you just said?
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The coaches have good advice... you should follow it.
I don't know what else to say. Either scum or reaallllllly bad townie. The coaches would have said good stuff...basically how to not play a bad townie...
##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi
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Well I hope you had good time! I guess it's hard rolling mafia first time. 
Read up on the guides and hope to see you soon in another game.
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yes i get to eat popcorn
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^
btw check the vote tally again:
He was the first to vote on Arctic Dash, but never switched and still had his vote on me at the time of the lynching. FoS
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hehe well im spent, I look forward to what the lurkers Matriarch, Kafla say. Woot ~ exciting game
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+ Show Spoiler +~ (c)awwwwww (c)awwwwwwwwwwww no one caught my pun spoiler. On March 09 2013 10:18 TheRavensName wrote:Nobody live? Only Barely.
be careful mafia, i will punish you!
on serious notes:
I really do believe the possibility of busing Arctic. It was painfully obvious Arctic was going to get it. Although I'm curious, wouldn't mafia be there to advise Arctic's actions? So perhaps there are mafia in the lurkers.
lurkers should say hi and contribute
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