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DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 05:29 GMT

#2508

On March 01 2013 14:27 geript wrote:
If Chez is scum, why shoot the milkman then?

My thoughts exactly. Milkman was supposedly his number one target but I would have shot BH without hesitation there if I was the scum dayvig and under the serious impression that I was doomed that day if I did nothing.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 05:43 GMT

#2516

I don't think a newbie scum would make that post. He would just have made his post on OO if it was indeed real, I'm sure it would be worked on and approved in the scum qt. WIFOM but that's my 2 cents.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 05:44 GMT

#2517

On March 01 2013 14:42 MilkSuckler wrote:

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If that claim is fake.. i really think grush should have punishment..

this is bullshit.. its effectively killed off town discussion for god knows how long.. a warning at minimum if my voice means anything.

I always figured by ##shoot he meant that he was encouraging the other dayvig to go shoot chez, like it was a call for him to be shot. Maybe I'm wrong?

Regardless - there's no reason to lynch Chezinu without a counterclaim or countershot, I'll take the lashing after this game if it turned out the only dayvig in the game was a scum dayvig but that seems really stupid to me. To give mafia a role that can confirm its own power without the town counterpart. Otherwise the inherent risk of the role (part of the balance) is gone.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 05:45 GMT

#2519

Also a far more effective bus would be for Chezinu to dayshoot Promethelax. ~Speculating

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 05:46 GMT

#2520

On March 01 2013 14:44 TestSubject893 wrote:

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I promised to post some thoughts and this is the explanation of why I'm not doing that. Its not helpful, I agree.

Well, tell us your thoughts on Aqua. What exactly about OO made you think he wasn't scum? You need to show your work.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 05:47 GMT

#2525

On March 01 2013 14:46 The Macho Man wrote:

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the to bad to be scum argument? The post effectively achieves nothing and it does not look like scum hunting.

Not at all, it just hits me in a different way. I'm more concerned about his post on Day 1 then that one, but if he has done enough work to have written full cases and then deleted them, he needs to prove it now.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 05:48 GMT

#2527

Post your case on OO even if you're doubting it now. I've posted some dumb cases so far and changed my mind. At least it will show us you're actually trying

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 05:59 GMT

#2533

No that was productive. Even if you're wrong (like I feel I was on jj) it pressures the person to respond and you gain more understanding. If you're unsure you should still push and pressure for clarification. Then your unsure read becomes a solid read. Playing scared is bad for both alignments.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 06:01 GMT

#2534

I always feel very unsure in my head but pumping out pressure regardless is still productive. I was even questioning prom very seriously in my head.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 15:40 GMT

#2601

Stop pretending that the bus idea is the only point against you.

Toadesstern, you need to explain right this very second exactly (or as close to exactly as you can within the rules) how your roleblock was phrased.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 15:41 GMT

#2602

I'm trying to understand why town Toad gets that much confidence 2 hours into the day, so much that he is going to talk about nothing else except how awesome his case is, how everyone else is a sheep and how the flip is going to without a doubt confirm him to be town

how can you also early discredit ve/layabout for sheeping you then after the lynch spout that they are confirmed town only because promethelax was mafia

how does being right about something confirm your alignment

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 15:47 GMT

#2604

You need to explain right now what your roleblock said

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 15:52 GMT

#2606

So it was just a regular roleblock? There was no flavor to it?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 15:52 GMT

#2607

Not true. It's the way you handled your read. Forget that you were right, for a moment, the way that you acted that day after calling out Prom was unacceptable and extremely anti-town.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 15:53 GMT

#2608

The fact that you can't even see the point and are just pretending this is about you being right is scummy but maybe you're just delusional.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 16:05 GMT

#2612

Okay. Either Toadesstern or Vivax is a confirmed liar and is mafia.

There are only two possible roleblocks in the game. One of which has flavor:

Malfuncioning Protectron: You are a bit Broken!! Each night you may "Protect" someone by throwing them in the town's jail. They will be unable to perform actions, but will be unable to be actioned upon. Your target will not be notified if they were protected from a shot in this way because of the concussion.

The mafia roleblock has no flavor.

On March 02 2013 00:59 Toadesstern wrote:
just a regular roleblock, no flavor to it.

On March 01 2013 10:00 Vivax wrote:

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I'm being told that I've been roleblocked and that's it.

Can we lynch MilkMan pls?

So, I'm inclined to think Toadesstern is the liar here and we move forward on a lynch. If Toadesstern flips town (shame on him in that case), then we kill Vivax tonight. Does that work for everyone?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 16:11 GMT

#2614

On March 02 2013 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:

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I asked to be replaced out because people kept calling me mafia for reasons that are usally towntraits for me, as already shown multiple times while wrongly labeling it mafia-trait and when showing it just answering "well, you know about your meta, you might play like your town meta to screw with us". Again, there's nothing I can say against bullshit like that, NOTHING and it got me mad to a point that I asked to be replaced out.

Yes I was rubbing it in to show some people how bad they are.

Again, I'm still waiting for a single thing that just shows that I'm supposed to be mafia, you keep saying there's dozen of such things but I haven't seen a single one so far.

1. Your case against Prom never evolves and is mostly built around his RNG plan not promoting good discussion, much like the Pardoner plan you submitted despite admitting it wasn't a good idea
2. You put no effort into scumhunting for the rest of the day, only attacking people who agreed with you and claiming towncred for yourself. Since it was so early and Prom had yet to flip that's a bit odd
3. Still curious how you moved from VE/Layabout/Me being sheep on you (despite the fact that I built my case on Prom without ever having read your posts) to being confirmed town
4. There is no way you actually believe that every single person who accuses mafia rightly on Day 1 is confirmed town, you are not that stupid
5. After calling out Prom in 2 posts, you made no attempt to put pressure anywhere else, no real attempt to put further pressure on him, only arguing about how awesome and town you are
6. Either you or Vivax is a confirmed liar right now
7. Didn't want mayor cuz no bodyguards even though you're apparently the best town player in this game and already a huge target, why not take that role to guarantee VE isn't elected and lynches you. Also said you'd only want mayor to lynch a vet
8. Horrible bullshit case on Milksuckler showing early aggression and bad logic, attack him for sheeping when the opinion is a very common and popular one amongst TL Mafia players, one that likely every player has an opinion on and isn't really indicative of alignment either way. I also disagree with the idea that we should never D1 lynch vets but I don't think it's scummy to agree with that and nobody else should either
9. The particular phrasing of "Prom will confirm me" is troubling, suggests prior knowledge of his alignment
10. Still no real case against grush, your accusations on machoman are based on a metaread that you're not providing evidence for so for players like me who don't know who iamp is this is not doing a good job of moving the town
11. The scummiest thing Prom did was in his farewell post (attacking JJ with logic near impossible for town to use) which you glossed over, that was the point when I and everyone else became supremely confident he was scum because everything before that was about as good as it gets for a Day 1 early case, which is not very good at all. I don't believe you can be that good and that confident THAT early simply because there wasn't enough evidence at the time to warrant it

only 1 of these points depends on you being "too good" so i hope that helps

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 16:12 GMT

#2615

I'll clarify that from Greymist but from what I understand it's impossible for there to be 2 normal roleblocks.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 16:14 GMT

#2616

It doesn't specify that it only works if they are saved from the shot, only protected for that night. That doesn't necessarily mean that they were targeted by a kill power.

There aren't two vanilla roleblock powers in this game so how can there be two vanilla roleblocks?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 01 2013 16:15 GMT

#2617

So either way one of you is lying

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