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geript
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 27 2013 14:41 geript wrote: By that you mean do I care to indulge you further? How so? I'm not seeing a real point from you. My point is you are reading an action: and predicting the trigger - and presenting that prediction as gospel. Or from matrix: cause and causality if you prefer Now that Dr.H has been more discrete with his motivation; has your stance altered? If not, I would like to see more reason behind your prediction/assumption. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=59#1173 | ||
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geript
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 27 2013 14:59 geript wrote: I'm arguing what his motivation is from what his actions are; call that what you will. No my stance has since his previous posts has become more firm in that I trust him even less. His stance in actuality is that he is fine with becoming either wanting to allow people to slide him in. So what is the difference with VE or Wade Fell; or any of the other mayor candidates - 2nd place is pardoner regardless. I am still struggling to see why this point you raise is of such emphasis to dominate your filter. As an aside: Did you consider the e-peen contest? i.e. Regardless of the whether the role is useless, winning mayor elections is a nice cyber-trophy to win and use to gloat? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/16956205/Lost_Fragment_of_Isunizehc_2 Analysis: It seems to be audio of some creatures that I can't seem to decipher. At one point it sounds like rockets from a ship is going off in mid-air. Sound like that can only be recorded under an atmospheric planet, but where I am quite bewildered. The detection of the unforeseen takes a toll on one when confide to the solitude of an ill powered ship. I sometimes wonder if they are mere hallucination. Fragments.. it is all I get out here... there must be something.... something that has been causing the interference... | ||
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geript
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:17 geript wrote: VE is actively running for mayor. WF I think is more comfortable letting other people take either title. I don't think he's seriously trying for either title overtly or covertly. His actions don't add up to that to me. Firstly, my question may be getting miscommunicated, so I will try a different tact. You have assessed the motives behind Dr.H mayor campaign, and state it is red with intent. Do you believe this is the sole intent; or are you using heuristics to support your conclusion. In other words: have you considered a town rationale for his actions; and if so, what heuristics are you using to refute their viability. ============ In regards to the reply: you dont think Wades first post is "trying overtly" to be mayor? You dont think his case on prome forming the platform for his campaign is "trying overtly" to be mayor? Is this correct? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
I have considered town actions for DrH, but a soft campaign makes far more sense as scum than as town. I see little other intent that makes any sense. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:41 Chezinu wrote: The bubble....the cocoon... both burst..... What does it mean? If only I knew what The Scribe had written to him... What hidden messages did he find.... The ninjas, who were they? What did they have to do with The Scribe. Whatever The Scribe knows, it had a great impact on this Isunizehc guy.... something the causes him to burst out of the bubble... Something that drove the motives of his heart to accelerate... kind of like a catalyst... what were these stories? What secrets did they hold? I must find the rest of that signal or atleast trace it's origin. It seems years since I detected that last signal... My mind feels as the fragments themselves. I must find them to make myself and the fragments whole again. I much prefer the riddles of Vayesh | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I decided I would be alright with people voting for me because at the time I was unsure about what VE would actually do with his lynch and people were becoming fairly less confident in Wade Fell. I want prom dead today and the only way I can ensure that happens is by becoming mayor. I'm a huge target for scum regardless, so that doesn't really matter much at this point. If you don't accept that reasoning and still wish to claim that I am trying to sneak into pardoner, then there is absolutely no logical reason that you aren't sure I am scum at this point. I think it is because you are mafia therefore KNOW I am town and are afraid to really call me out. Sowing seeds of mistrust, discrediting me, trying to rouse suspicion among the town and see if anyone bites, classic techniques for a mafia afraid to actually start a bandwagon. So do it. Convince the thread I am scum. Anyone following your reasoning to the logical conclusion can only decide that I am mafia, so don't beat around the bush. As far as Prom flipping green affecting my future scumhunting, it really wouldn't. I'd never build a serious case around Player A defending Player B because it's WIFOM. It is certainly context that is important to a case, but the real methods used to determine whether or not a player is scum is the intention of their logic. I wouldn't simply look at the fact that a player defended or voted or whatever for a flipped town/scum, what's important is how they did it and that kind of behavior remains the same regardless of what the flip is. The only thing that might change is I'd become slightly more inclined to believe JJ is stupid rather than scum. The particular scum motivations I see in his bait-switch with Prom only make sense if Prom is scum. However, regardless of the flip I would still need to reread JJ's filter. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:43 geript wrote: Seeing as how WF hasn't made real splashes to be mayor since the initial campaign, I think he's resigned himself to not being able to grab it and quit trying. I have considered town actions for DrH, but a soft campaign makes far more sense as scum than as town. I see little other intent that makes any sense. OK we are starting to get somewhere. What I keep seeing from you are end-game conclusions.. i.e. its a scum tell... (in your opinion) Walk me through why a soft pitch is more likely to be scum tell? In particular why it is a scum tell in the context of Dr.H. We all have different real life experience, and thus different heuristics. Explain to me what you see, that I am not noticing. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:43 geript wrote: Seeing as how WF hasn't made real splashes to be mayor since the initial campaign, I think he's resigned himself to not being able to grab it and quit trying. I have considered town actions for DrH, but a soft campaign makes far more sense as scum than as town. I see little other intent that makes any sense. Yeah good point if I were really trying to be mayor, I'd be showing how I'd make good use of the 2x vote by pressuring additional people, reinforcing the case on prom, and interacting in a positive way with other townies. GOOD POINT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS I'M NOT DOING? | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
there's no other explanation | ||
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Wade Fell
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On February 27 2013 13:31 Aquanim wrote: @DoctorHelvetica, where did the scum reads on ObviousOne, WoS and jcarlsoniv go? Yo DoctorHelvetica, could you answer this for me? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I still don't like how he's all "WTF this Prom lynch is MINE everyone is sheeping ME". If Prom flips scum I'm going to be instantly more suspicious of Toad, not less, considering the fact that A) he's been actively trying to take credit for the Prom lynch and B) Prom clearly had something planned for this phase where he'd be AFK for a long period. "Yeah guys just bus me" is exactly the kind of thing that gets typed in QT's when that's the case. He's done no scumhunting BESIDES his pressure of Prom at the beginning of the game - if he's so certain of Prom, why is he not in here actively trying to find Prom's team? Why is he doing nothing but ride this Prom lynch to its conclusion? Ultimately I'm still leaning scum, but his suggestion at the beginning of the game wasn't a bad one if we can pull it off. I want to see more from him. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I remember reading something from WoS that made me extremely suspicious earlier but I actually don't remember what it was, so I'll have to revisit that later. I can't hard-pressure everyone at the same time, although I do try sometimes. | ||
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