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Oh look randombum, you're starting to think like a townie! A nice change of pace.
@Aquanim: What are your opinions of randombum's case on me?
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On March 07 2013 13:52 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 13:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh look randombum, you're starting to think like a townie! A nice change of pace.
@Aquanim: What are your opinions of randombum's case on me? Nice de-lurk, I'm more interesting in your opinion on my case on you.
Really? That's unfortunate, because I'm more interested in Aqua's.
Patience, young padawan.
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On March 07 2013 13:56 TestSubject893 wrote:
I'm heading to bed. Jcarl's apparent indifference to randombum's case against him is enough for me to want to put my vote on him now instead of when I wake up.
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I'm indifferent because it's a mislynch. I'm not going to flail around like geript did.
On March 07 2013 13:55 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 13:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh look randombum, you're starting to think like a townie! A nice change of pace.
@Aquanim: What are your opinions of randombum's case on me? I'd prefer to hear what you have to say about it first.
No, that's not how it works. I want to know what you think of his CASE. That's all the information you should need to have an opinion about it. On the other hand, what you say could very well contribute to what I have to say.
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I'm going to bed, but before I do, I want to address your case, randombum. Spoilered for convenience:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2013 12:33 randombum wrote:I don't think glurio is scum. Or at least I don't think he's scummier than a lot of people here. I've left this alone for a while because there's been a clear consensus on who to lynch and I didn't want to divert the thread, but I think it's time we lynched jcarl. He's been riding as scummy looking in the back of a lot of people's mind, but nobody has come out super strongly against him. His filter is short enough that everybody can go read it right now. Here are the things out of his filter that I would like you to notice and reach the same conclusion as me. That he is scum. Utter lack of commitment to reads. I've pointed this out before but, starts with a case on vayesh/vivax and drops them with minimal explanation. He then tries to push JJ because everybody thought JJ looked scummy, but now that JJ looks good his response is: + Show Spoiler +On March 04 2013 09:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Lynch aqua jj is more or less confirmed town Yeah, I no longer believe JJ to be scum. After the RB claim and the subsequent RO flip, JJ looks pretty good. I'm not sure about aqua, but I'm somewhat inclined to listen to WF this go around. Jcarl reads will follow wherever the town is leaning. He will also drop down his "reads" with no backing whatsoever. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2013 11:15 The Macho Man wrote:On March 06 2013 11:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 06 2013 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I survive to Day 4 it means one of two things.
1. Scum won't waste a shot on me with 1 KP assuming I'm a veteran or there could be another doc in the game
2. Scum are intentionally avoiding shooting "big name vets" (I hate saying that) to mask that they are led by one. - This is a plan I've personally employed as scum, to intentionally hit lurkers/less experienced players to push suspicion onto different vets around Day 3-4.
jcarlsoniv, why would you believe Chezinu is town and JungleJorge is somehow a scumslipper? You're one of only three people to not vote Chez yesterday including myself and geript (who voted for himself). Do you still believe that Vivax and JungleJorge hatched a plan together? Would you suggest they are the two remaining scum?
If anyone else considers that to be the case, note that Prom FoS'd JJ before he was lynched and Vivax FoS'd JJ as well in his largest post. I don't remember saying that I think Vivax and JJ hatched a plan together? I thought Chez would flip town because I honestly thought he would be a better player than that. I was mistaken. I began leaning town on JJ because of his RB claim, but after last night's shenanigans (or lack thereof - still speculating on whether or not scum sent in their actions), who the hell knows? I could certainly see Vivax being SK, and if he is, it means he'll be shooting someone else tonight. he has to shoot so his claim makes very little sense from an sk perspective he is extremely likely to be town. what do you think of glurio? Pretty much...this is why I think Vivax is probably town. We'll find out tonight with # of shots anyway. Unless of course there is no SK and Vivax as mafia shot RO to throw us off...but that strikes me as being really really dumb. So Soniv, if you plan on sticking around for more than 5 minutes, who are your scumreads right now and why? Not quite sure at the moment. I was fairly sure that either geript or hassy would flip scum. I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list: WoS, DrH, WF, randombum, Macho Man Need to relook though. He throws down 5 names in a game of 15 remaining players. One of whom has since flipped town. More importantly he doesn't say why. He says he will relook, but it's been over a day since he claimed he would re-look and hasn't come back with anything. Maybe because everybody keeps ignoring me and goes after people not named jcarl. It's even more damning because literally 2 posts after he puts + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2013 14:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 13:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2013 13:50 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 06 2013 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2013 13:35 MilkSuckler wrote:For filter On March 06 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2013 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote:
Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill?
I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker. Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes? n revised thoughts on glue-man @ WoS I'll tell you what. I'll do it if I know someone other than you is going to read it.  Whats that meant to mean? I am not even asking you something to do... you suggested it upon yourself On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright this makes me want to have another go at glurio's filter, though even if I find something that changes my mind from my earlier town stance I can't see myself wanting to lynch him ahead of the other 3 I mentioned.
I remember feeling very strongly early that he was town; but I'll check to be sure. The filter is not exactly a big one to digest.... so stop being a bitch and complaining Ooooo Mocsta angwy. I'm serious though. Why should I keep feeding information that only you are going to use? Are you the town in its entirety? How are you going to be using the information I give you in the form of my read on Glurio? You're right I did suggest that I was going to do it; but I changed my mind. I don't find any compelling reason to do it right now. I'm not about to die anytime soon, after all. DrH himself (the one you've been so keen to buddy up to most of the thread) said earlier this game: Someone who says they are going to do something and never does it is probably scum (I may be paraphrasing). But he hasn't come back to do what he said he would do. Hard defense of chezniu.It's self evident in his filter, but he clearly defended chezniu and hard. He claims hard defending scum is a town tell because only an idiot mafia wouldn't bus his teammate when chez was clearly next to be lynched. But chez's lynch wasn't truly set in stone. If you look at the final vote-counts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400335¤tpage=6#105Chez only had 13 votes. And RO (known scum) could switch at any time. Furthermore if they somehow manage to cause a no-lynch then they get an extra night kill. If they are super lucky they somehow get people to forget chez and lynch geript the next day giving them another night with 2 kills. Point being, he tried really hard to save his scum mate, but the plan backfired so he goes: "Oh, that's not a scum tell its actually a town tell to try to push a lynch off a mafia and into a townie." I don't buy it. ContradictoryIt starts with: Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 09:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 04 2013 09:51 JungleJorge wrote:
I suspect geript will flip town. Voting grush because why not. Seems like a good bet. Aww, but you're gonna make WF so mad. Imma trust him this time. ##vote geript Willing to sheep BH on a geript vote. Then says after geript and hassy die Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Not quite sure at the moment. I was fairly sure that either geript or hassy would flip scum.
I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list:
WoS, DrH, WF, randombum, Macho Man
Need to relook though. Bold mine. Into Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 02:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Hey Wade, you were wrong about geript, and hassy also flipped town. Who are you gonna tunnel next, oh "scumhunter extraordinare"? He is now trying to make Wade look bad, when he has been willing to sheep him and stated that he felt wades reads were correct?
Lack of commitment to reads
As has been complained about by several people (yourself included), the game is difficult and slow when we decide who is being lynched 8 hours into the day. Because of this, I made an attempt to be proactive and look for the next targets. I made cases on Vivax and Vayesh, yes.
Without being attacked on my cases or pressured with them, I decided I was wrong of my own accord. I have no problem admitting I was mistaken. This is very similar to my pressure on JJ. I believe I was one of the first to think JJ could be scum. Following further development (him claiming jailer, etc.), I decided, like many other people that I was wrong.
WoS asked me who I thought was scum. I posted a potential list. Yes, I said I need to relook. I have been, and I haven't come up with a conclusion as of yet.
Defense of Chezinu
I am not going to continue to defend my actions in this regard. I have stated my position on this repeatedly, and I have nothing else to say about it. You've looked through my filter, so I know you've seen what I have to say about it.
Contradictory
I wouldn't really call it contradictory. I voted geript early in the day (sheeping WF), like many other people. As he continued to bitch and moan throughout the day, it led me to believe more and more that he was scum. People had also been making cases against hassy, and his lack of presence didn't help him in any regard.
Wade had been boasting hard core about how he was dominating scum team. That last post was more of a jab at him and his perfect record.
Why would I, were I scum, try to shed doubt upon Wade right before he was killed?
Aqua, you've been disgustingly non-committal the entire game.
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On March 07 2013 14:47 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 14:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Aqua, you've been disgustingly non-committal the entire game. Mate, you're not an unlikely lynch today. I had no intention of committing to anything until I saw your response. Telling you where I thought the holes were in randombum's case, allowing you to exploit them to defend yourself without having to see them yourself, would have been a waste of everybody's time.
I'm not talking about this case in particular. I'm talking about the entire game. Your filter has next to 0 commitment.
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On March 07 2013 20:07 glurio wrote:I still like to highlight my earlier post: Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:19 glurio wrote:Because you are wrong, again. I'd like to lynch either jcarlsoninv or grush tonight. On March 03 2013 10:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed. On March 05 2013 07:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Milksuckler: thank you for saying what I've wanted to say. It means more coming out of someone else's mouth.
To reiterate, why would I (as scum) defend Chez so hard when he was all but dead? I truly thought he would flip green, and I was (obviously) wrong.
But if it will ease everyone's minds, by all means, kill me tomorrow. It's not like we don't have people to spare. My death should be fun AND informative! This guy might be the bartender. Grush because he did nothing this game. Nothing. So i want to lynch jcarlsoniv today. ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I missed this the first time around, so I want to nip it in the butt now before people continue to speculate.
The first post I made, which people saw as me threatening DrH:
I haven't been that useful this game. So, in an attempt to present some value, I was soft claiming a blue role. "My dying would be a poor fate indeed" was meant to grab scum attention. I was hoping to draw fire from them to potentially spare someone who actually did have a blue role.
The 2nd post, which made people think I'm bartender:
I was actually just getting bored this day, and wanted to straight up challenge WF. He listed me under candidates he wanted to kill (me and geript on that list), and I wanted him to see I wasn't scum. Admittedly, it had the opposite affect that I intended.
@JJ:
I actually really like this case on Vivax. I've been avoiding him because (as I've mentioned in the past) I keep seeming to butt heads with him and it's not doing anything to help me read him. This is something I can actually get behind. I want to see his response first though.
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On March 07 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote:My defense against JJ's points for those who are bad enough to care about them:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2013 21:40 JungleJorge wrote:
I see no other possibility other than vivax being scum. Let's take a look at the coincidences that happened so far.
1) Mafia somehow thinks it's a good idea to RB vivax night 1. He posted he was shooting hassy near the deadline. Even if mafia somehow saw that Hassy was town. RB makes no sense. NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY ON EARTH WOULD MAFIA RB VIVAX N1.
2) Mafia shot VE who wanted to kill vivax. And Vayesh who wanted to kill chez.
*snipped*
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1) It actually makes sense since glurio had reason to be afraid by me implying I would see his flip soon. I said I would shoot Hassy in the last minute. There was no time for scum to change targets. 2) VE was the mayor and hit scum with Prom D1, mafia can use NK's for many purposes, but taking strong townies out is always one of the best. You being selective about VE wanting to kill me is proof of your bad play. Why don't you mention those who Wade wanted to kill last if you think that it's a valid way to say someone is scum? 3 to infinity and beyond) The rest doesn't matter and I'm too lazy to answer all your shit, it's a waste of time we have to actually find scum. I'm confirmed town. If I was scum saying to be vig like you say, I would have simply claimed a RB last night and shot a strong townie instead. I shot scum and your argument is invalid, so retire from mafia yourself kthxbai.
For those who want to lynch scum:##Vote jcarlsonivMust be scum at this point. Considering MilkSuckler's latest play and the fact that glurio and jcarlson seem to exclude each other as scum unless they hard bussed each other early we lynch jcarl. If jcarl flips red, which seems very likely, we should consider lynching MilkSuckler tomorrow.
And what happens when I flip town?
3 to infinity and beyond) The rest doesn't matter and I'm too lazy to answer all your shit, it's a waste of time we have to actually find scum.
What the hell Vivax? Take the time to actually address a case on you.
Everyone is so eager to jump onto this bandwagon on me. I'm going to laugh so hard when you guys are sitting there with green blood on your hands.
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On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
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On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
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@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
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On March 07 2013 23:54 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:51 layabout wrote:
i'd would've sworn aqua had pointed it out but it appear he didn't
killing vivax today would be a sack of stupid. If not vivax, will you support WoS lynch? if you and I swap; I believe that gives us 5 votes out of 8 required.
If consolidation does not happen, then I won't let a no lynch happen. However, i would prefer if this could be consolidated on.
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On March 08 2013 01:56 glurio wrote:So i went and looked at some of the flipped scum filters. Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 04:45 Chezinu wrote:
2.grush57 he is a star
3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game
6. glurio - null
7. TestSubject893 - don't recall posts
8. jcarlsoniv - first made me think I was mafia before I checked my role cause he knew I didn't check my role... false alarm
9. The Macho Man
10. Chaos Bear - not present
11. randombum He understands important matters
12. WaveofShadow
15. MilkSuckler - don't like this guy
16. Wade Fell - liked him... then found out he was BH whom I used the Chez rule on in the past... Why he hates me
17. ObviousOne one of my summoners... no sure where he went
18. geript
19. DoctorHelvetica can't seem to save anyone
20. JungleJorge
21. Hassybaby - I cried mored
22. Restraining Order
24. layabout
25. aquanim similar thoughts like me
Alright, gtg... might be back, we'll see Did someone mention this already? Pretty sure someone from that list of greens is actually scum. Didn't we at some point say we lynch geript and if he flips town we lynch aqua? If we don't lynch jcarlsoniv today we should either lynch grush or aqua. Probably grush because he's useless. I'll try to do more analysis later tonight, if i got internet at work that is.
Um...that's not something you can use to justify voting someone, seeing as you, yourself, have been rather useless.
@Macho Man: I wasn't intentionally ignoring glurio. There were several cases created in a fairly short time span (mine included. I had forgotten about his, but wanted to see his response before I made note of it. He lookin da' scummy bro.
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On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this ! 
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later  On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. Show nested quote +@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
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On March 08 2013 02:45 Vivax wrote:
Can we lynch jcarlsoniv please glurio is actually making some sense.
...in what way?
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On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
First off, calm your tits.
I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up.
I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you.
Die, scum, die.
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On March 08 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.) Just so you dont feel ignored +1 Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl) See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die. I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM! Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet...... I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.)
Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game.
One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one?
The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him.
As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying.
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On March 08 2013 03:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 03:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 02:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 08 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back.
MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you.
In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though. Case? Not much of a case, friend. You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work. It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you. Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched? On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore. On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
[quote]
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave?
Attempting to find 3rd party? K.. so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine. jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)?
You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case) So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point. His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop. The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things. Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS. And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta. Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum". On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote:WoS##Vote: WoSNow thou hast been summoth..
Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences. On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound. And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players. Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript. What dost make of this !
P.S. For good measure On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote:
I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner.
That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:
why does everyone think WoS is town et On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good. So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum.
P.P.P.S On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote:
Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim. ##Vote: WoS Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great. Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.) LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke. @Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now. Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote. You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred. You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block. First off, calm your tits. I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up. I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you. Die, scum, die. I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM! Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet...... I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.) Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game. One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one? The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him. As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying. How you can consider Vayesh aggressive I have no idea, but alright I'll give you that. But Prom is going to be your example? Really? EVERYBODY wanted Prom dead, EVERYBODY made cases on him in various orders, he as obviously scum right from the get-go with his useless crap on RNG. (Lol 'you've hit two blues this entire game.' Subtle.) I like that you conveniently choose to disregard my request for you to make another read. Pretty typical since you haven't done it all game; why start now? It seems to me that if it comes down to either of us dying tonight (which I doubt very highly, tbh) all people really need to do is ask who has actually contributed, been transparent with reads, and been honest in everything they have done. Your foul-weather play is unacceptable in my eyes, and I would hope hope your adamant push on me will be seen by others as nothing more than the last death throes of scum.
I am in no way disregarding your request. I don't have an answer for you right now.
If I die, I'm looking forward to you eating your words.
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On March 08 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Thinking ahead you guys are going to fucking screw me on this anyway, aren't you?
I'm just waiting for someone to come up with the fact that I'm risking my neck to defend Glurio all game as a scum tell. Scum puts Glurio up for lynching and due to strong association they can fucking WIFOM all day and say well I only did that because I knew he was town all along.
You guys had better have a close fucking look at who threw Glurio under the bus to begin with.
Incredibly panicky and paranoid.
You're worried that your defense of glurio is gonna backfire and you don't want to be implicated? Funny, my defense of chezinu is a huge reason people think I'm scum.
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On March 08 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 06:58 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2013 06:56 glurio wrote:
How about we just lynch him instead?
He's not active and looks seriously scummy. He won't get active even if called out.
So what to do with him? Lynch him. i have been burned by starsenses before. This is fucking retarded. Grush posts one goddamn word that means NOTHING and this gives him a free pass for the rest of the damn game? How the FUCK does that make any sense? Should have been killed ages ago. Tomorrow.
You're dead set on me being scum, and yet you want grush dead tomorrow...
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