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On February 27 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:39 ObviousOne wrote:@Milk Suckler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17883358Regarding that post, most of it seems to be spot on from my perspective. You sort of belabor the shit out of the RNG points and spread them into other categories but think about how Zarepath acted D1 in the last newbie game he played with me (us? if you're mocsta) and you'll see that it's possible he was indeed going about trying to generate discussion. He might have even been successful if he was vigilant in driving the conversation or hinting as to the direction he wanted to go with it, but since none of that actually happened it's looking like a really bad point against him. As for considering WOS a candidate, after the smack talk prior to looking at his newbie game and evaluating WOS' re-entrance to the thread, I could see how his mindset (as either alignment) would allow him to 180. WHY he 180s is a question for him directly at that point in the conversation, though from my perspective I see an enthusiastic WOS looking to take some burden off the concerns of town at a point where we were only looking at ~2 real candidates. One thing to note about WOS re-entry is him mentioning Aquanim. What was his reason for that? Because Aquanim was the only one who actually acknowledged me; for the record I actually was feeling ignored but I had to go for a bit and wanted to see if anyone would react to me intentionally lurking. As for your talk of me 180ing...what?
Not you 180'ing. That was about Prom
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notice also the majority of viv's info dump is about null reads and town reads, very often mafia hide in the comfort of their information and although it is information it isn't really useful since the only possible useful thing that could happen is a scum being killed
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Damn it VE, why flop about Vivax? Read that big post again man. I need my vote to go somewhere you know.
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On February 27 2013 03:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
notice also the majority of viv's info dump is about null reads and town reads, very often mafia hide in the comfort of their information and although it is information it isn't really useful since the only possible useful thing that could happen is a scum being killed
Vivax is the only one giving me a null/town read, too. I mean that's out there based on how I started the game, and I even think I mentioned I would be okay with voting someone who would lynch him. It's really... weird.
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Have you ever played with Vivax before doctH? Or read a game with him?
I'll shamelessly quote myself from the mafia awards 2013 thread:
That's the guy you're dealing with...
On a sidenote: Hassy you here?
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On February 27 2013 03:48 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 15:08 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote:
Firstly, The only people in this thread making any sense are VE and DrH. Besides them and myself nobody should even be considered for the mayoral role. This vet circle jerking has to stop nowBeing a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others. Further it does not guarantee you are town.All members of this game have a responsibility to be transparent in play and present well-reasoned thoughts. Perhaps, players with lower experience would not make as capable a mayor as a vet; however: (1) This mayor role is nerfed without BG - so the outcome of vet/new is of less importance & (2) Less experience is not synonymous with being incapable of reasoned thought that is CORRECT. I don't have a problem with your prome case; I already commented on pretty much everything you wrote, a fair bit before you wrote it. But I guess it doesn't make sense, not coming from a confirmed vet.The quicker you get over your game of 'soggy biscuit'; the quicker we are going to get along.
This is a scum player grasping for someone to point the finger at, someone to blame. This falls perfectly in line with what DrH says here (link) when he quotes from Ver's guide. . Nice blatant buddying here. Im guessing you buy ya kneepads on bulk discount... (Milk vs. Prom) Here my first reaction is screaming in my head "IT'S A BUS IT'S A BUS" but my first reactions are typically wrong. Why insult the majority of the game? Where's the town mindset in that? Why not just say it nicely such as if you more experienced players would be so kind as to note when the lesser-experienced players say something useful and expand upon it that would be much appreciated instead of going on about knee-pads? Just having a WTF moment reading this.
Why, oh why would you say this?
On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch.
So let me get this straight: You did something fishy and of debateable quality (defend a guy for no reason), and when he points out how nonsensical that is, and after it's clear the thread still wants Prome lynched, you decide to 180° your read and say "lol jokes I thought he was scum all along!"
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I am giving my reactions to the game Restraining Order. Or are you going to place a restraining order on me?
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On February 27 2013 03:53 Toadesstern wrote:Have you ever played with Vivax before doctH? Or read a game with him? I'll shamelessly quote myself from the mafia awards 2013 thread: That's the guy you're dealing with... On a sidenote: Hassy you here?
I'm not going to put up with people being always allowed to suck because everyone is too afraid to point a finger at someone for being bad based on meta. If it were up to me people like kenpachi/grush57 would be banned for life but since that won't happen at least I can hope after getting lynched a billion times for being bad town they might take a hint and reexamine the way they play the game. What Vivax is doing is consistent with the things I look for to find scum, so I'm not backing down just because he was a stupid town in another game.
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On February 27 2013 03:55 ObviousOne wrote:
I am giving my reactions to the game Restraining Order. Or are you going to place a restraining order on me?
You are giving them while discrediting yourself.
I shall indeed place a restraining order onto such behavior.
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What that I said about the first four hours of the game regarding my play was wrong? I was having fun and talking to people IN THE MOMENT. As has been discussed to death already, the RNG proposition sent us into hours of FUBAR mode. Literally anything was better than trying to have the RNG conversation. I made one comment regarding it and it was self contained joke/dismissal.
On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch!
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On February 27 2013 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's something else. Vivax thinks our focus should be "getting inactives to post".
Soooooo....should we all hold hands and "ohhmmmmmmmmm" or something? How does he propose we do this thing?
Is that a summoning "ohhmmmmmmmmm"?
I R Here!
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On February 27 2013 03:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:53 Toadesstern wrote:Have you ever played with Vivax before doctH? Or read a game with him? I'll shamelessly quote myself from the mafia awards 2013 thread: That's the guy you're dealing with... On a sidenote: Hassy you here? I'm not going to put up with people being always allowed to suck because everyone is too afraid to point a finger at someone for being bad based on meta. If it were up to me people like kenpachi/grush57 would be banned for life but since that won't happen at least I can hope after getting lynched a billion times for being bad town they might take a hint and reexamine the way they play the game. What Vivax is doing is consistent with the things I look for to find scum, so I'm not backing down just because he was a stupid town in another game.
awesome. I'll ignore you when it comes to problematic people. As long as you agree on Prom being the primary lynch as well though that's fine for now and given your case that does seem to be the case.
VE how are the waffles?
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Alllllllrighty
VayeshMoru
After a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing):
He isn't committing to anything.
VM makes a couple posts about disliking Vivax:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. On February 26 2013 10:52 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing. obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax
And then gives his $.02 about some other people:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:
Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light. On February 26 2013 11:09 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:59 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote:
Talk to me about aqua. On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent). On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote:
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Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua? I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it? Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why? My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination. On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 12:14 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote:
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible. Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored. I thought it was transparent. I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL. A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform. On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:38 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:33 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 12:31 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 12:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?
ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times. Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town. Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses. Do you care what I have to say o. The matter? Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen. No it isn't. It is in fact a great way to read grush. He has never used STARSENSES as scum. He has been scum and not used STARSENSES he is very invested in being confirmed town with that breadcrumb, grush doesn't trust his own play to keep him safe and values the crumb as it keeps him alive as town. Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world. I am not saying this to agree with Prome. I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses. He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)... I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me. one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying. However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now.
He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick.
I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die.
@Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day?
I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around).
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On February 26 2013 16:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
You can't scrutinize what's not there Wave. *shrug* We let PRs deal with the trash and try and find scum in the posters that's all we can do man.
I hope you're not talking about me here =[
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Um...JJ, wtf?
On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote:
I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves.
I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours.
On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch.
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On February 27 2013 03:54 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:48 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 15:08 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote:
Firstly, The only people in this thread making any sense are VE and DrH. Besides them and myself nobody should even be considered for the mayoral role. This vet circle jerking has to stop nowBeing a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others. Further it does not guarantee you are town.All members of this game have a responsibility to be transparent in play and present well-reasoned thoughts. Perhaps, players with lower experience would not make as capable a mayor as a vet; however: (1) This mayor role is nerfed without BG - so the outcome of vet/new is of less importance & (2) Less experience is not synonymous with being incapable of reasoned thought that is CORRECT. I don't have a problem with your prome case; I already commented on pretty much everything you wrote, a fair bit before you wrote it. But I guess it doesn't make sense, not coming from a confirmed vet.The quicker you get over your game of 'soggy biscuit'; the quicker we are going to get along.
This is a scum player grasping for someone to point the finger at, someone to blame. This falls perfectly in line with what DrH says here (link) when he quotes from Ver's guide. . Nice blatant buddying here. Im guessing you buy ya kneepads on bulk discount... (Milk vs. Prom) Here my first reaction is screaming in my head "IT'S A BUS IT'S A BUS" but my first reactions are typically wrong. Why insult the majority of the game? Where's the town mindset in that? Why not just say it nicely such as if you more experienced players would be so kind as to note when the lesser-experienced players say something useful and expand upon it that would be much appreciated instead of going on about knee-pads? Just having a WTF moment reading this. Why, oh why would you say this? Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. So let me get this straight: You did something fishy and of debateable quality (defend a guy for no reason), and when he points out how nonsensical that is, and after it's clear the thread still wants Prome lynched, you decide to 180° your read and say "lol jokes I thought he was scum all along!"
If you actually read what I wrote, you will notice that I had my doubts, which I explain why in detail, to whether prome was scum. And I didn't do anything fishy. I said I had reasons to believe he was town, and I would expand on it later. Yet you notice he attacked me before I ever even said what reasons those were. That demonstrates inherent guilt. Whether you think I scum or not should have little impact on the behavior prome has shown. Do you agree with my conclusion?
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On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Alllllllrighty VayeshMoruAfter a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing): He isn't committing to anything. VM makes a couple posts about disliking Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. On February 26 2013 10:52 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing. obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax And then gives his $.02 about some other people: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:
Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light. On February 26 2013 11:09 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:59 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote:
Talk to me about aqua. On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent). On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote:
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Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua? I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it? Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why? My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination. On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 12:14 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote:
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible. Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored. I thought it was transparent. I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL. A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform. On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:38 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:33 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 12:31 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 12:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?
ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times. Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town. Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses. Do you care what I have to say o. The matter? Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen. No it isn't. It is in fact a great way to read grush. He has never used STARSENSES as scum. He has been scum and not used STARSENSES he is very invested in being confirmed town with that breadcrumb, grush doesn't trust his own play to keep him safe and values the crumb as it keeps him alive as town. Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world. I am not saying this to agree with Prome. I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses. He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)... I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me. one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying. However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now. He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick. I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die. @Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day? I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around).
That is not a good idea... you don't know a thing about... oh wait I can't say.... uhzzz Think about the cool stories he can writes!
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On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Um...JJ, wtf? Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote:
I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves.
I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch.
Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted?
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On February 27 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Um...JJ, wtf? On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote:
I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves.
I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted?
conspiracy theories are fuN! Let's make some more.... if you were in a story, what or who would you be?
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On February 27 2013 04:08 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote:On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Um...JJ, wtf? On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote:
I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves.
I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted? conspiracy theories are fuN! Let's make some more.... if you were in a story, what or who would you be?
Farmhand Bob the Zealot.
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