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TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 21:49 GMT
#1564
VE, I'd really like to hear a comment from you. Do you not want to be mayor is Prome is pardoner?
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 21:51 GMT
#1566
We can all talk all day about how we won't use the pardon if we're pardoner, but that doesn't actually mean anything, since no one has any reason to say anything else.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 21:57 GMT
#1574
That's fine, we only need a few people to vote for Prom. We want most of the votes on the mayor anyway.

Speaking of shenannies, I still can't think of a pro-town reason to change your vote and refuse to explain it. I'm hoping its just his ego getting in the way.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 22:05 GMT
#1578
On February 28 2013 07:03 GreYMisT wrote:
Day 1 Mayor Vote Count

Wade Fell (6): Toadesstern, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, DoctorHelvetica, Aquanim, glurio, vivax, JungleJorge, Chezinu, ObviousOne, Wade Fell

geript (0): geript

VisceraEyes (7): VisceraEyes, Promethelax, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern, ObviousOne, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, TestSubject893, grush57, randombum, geript, WaveofShadow

Chezinu (0): VayeshMoru

WaveofShadow (0): Restraining Order

grush57 (0): grush57

DoctorHelvetica (5): Toadesstern, Milksuckler, layabout, VayeshMoru, jcarlsoniv, glurio, VisceraEyes

Promethelax (5): geript, TestSubject893, Toadesstern, Vivax, Layabout

The Day ends at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). If you are a leading candidate, please have your lynch selection into me prior to the deadline.

At the moment VisceraEyes is to be elected Mayor and DoctorHelvetica is to be elected Pardoner



The Milkman also voted for DoctorHelvetica.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 22:08 GMT
#1585
On February 28 2013 07:05 Wade Fell wrote:
Right now, all it takes is like a FEW bad townies from the group voting for VE, DrH and me to say "hey guys I thinkg Geript is actually the best let's vote him" and BAM Prometheleax is the mayor.

Come on, we can't take that risk.


This is not even true. We don't need to give any more votes to Prome, we just need to consolidate non-Prome votes onto the mayor so that 5 is enough for 2nd.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 22:13 GMT
#1590
I'm heading out real quick, should be back in 45 minutes or so.

Right now, I think people need to be moving their votes off VE, whether they want Prome as pardoner or not. If VE can't be bothered to explain his vote, he does not deserve our trust in either elected role.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 22:14 GMT
#1591
T_T Ninjaed
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 22:15 GMT
#1592
Actually, that's really not a good explanation, I'm mostly stand by what I wrote until he explains further. Afk now.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 23:02 GMT
#1667
If we're giving up on killing the pardoner (we were so close), I'm gonna change my vote to DrH.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 23:06 GMT
#1670
Well we could have avoided a situation were we have to assume someone's alignment when making decisions if we had just been marginally more organized (or WF had been less stubborn).

Let's hope we play well enough that it doesn't come back to bite us.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 23:06 GMT
#1671
^ that was directed at grush
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 23:35 GMT
#1688
On February 28 2013 08:33 layabout wrote:
So at the moment Doc has 9 votes VE has 9 and Wade has 8.

Great jobs guys. We have taken a day with a lynch that was more or less decided in a few hours with minimal lynch discussion, added 70 pages shouted at each other then split ourselves evenly between 3 players allowing a small number of probably not town players the power to decide the mayoral election. We have also been very rude to each other.


That's 26 votes. My count has got us at 9 for VE, 8 for DrH, 7 for WF and Chaos Bear not voting.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 23:41 GMT
#1694
20 minutes
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 28 2013 00:09 GMT
#1729
On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).

So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.

Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.

See you tomorrow.


I don't really like that you're declaring yourself confirmed town. I think DrH looks better as a result of this than you do.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 28 2013 20:09 GMT
#2085
VE:
While half the stuff in geript's case against you doesn't have enough evidence to matter, I think your claim that you've been transparent with your play is simply not true. You never explained why you changed your vote here. (Maybe I'm just slow, but I can't seem to fill in how it was a pro-town play, given what you've said your goals were, i.e. not wanting to be pardoner.) Moreover, your activity D1 did look to me as if you're looking for a way to win mayor and not have to lynch Prom. Only once things got hectic, did you angrily agree to lynch player that the overwhelming majority of the town had already agreed upon.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 28 2013 20:17 GMT
#2090
On March 01 2013 05:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
My goal was to not be MAYOR.


Then why didn't your change in vote also have a comment about how you think everyone voting for you should vote someone else? Your change in vote dismantled any chance of killing the pardoner specifically because of the way you did. It created a more chaotic atmosphere and made it likely that you would end up pardoner if things didn't change.

Were you just not thinking about the consequences of your actions, or what?
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 28 2013 20:37 GMT
#2095
I'm about to head out for a few hours, so I wanted to leave a few thoughts on my questions for VE since it's possible that questions could come up while I'm gone.

I think geript's case against VE was pretty bad; however, I think that VE's vote change that I referenced is the single scummiest thing anyone has done this game. Outside of that one action though, I have a town leaning read on VE, so I'd like to take this opportunity to resolve this mixed read as much as possible.

I expect to have further explanation from VE when I get back.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 01 2013 05:10 GMT
#2500
I got caught up running some errands earlier and am back now. Skimmed through the thread and a lot has gone down. I'm gonna type up a few of my thoughts here in a second. I'm working under the assumption that grush is not in fact any variant of dayvig until we hear otherwise.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 01 2013 05:34 GMT
#2510
Ok, so I rewrote this post like 5 times and changed my mind back and forth, and at the end of it all I ended up not coming up with as great of thoughts as I had originally thought I had when it was all coming togther.

I'll start with the basics I suppose. I agree with DrH on Toad. He's the top of the list for me. From there I feel like one of either Aqua or OO is scum. I was gonna write up some reasons on why its OO, but when I was doing that I kind of talked myself into thinking that its Aqua. After that grush is looking suspicious to me, but he's in that category of players where everyone talks about their crazy meta and how it needs to be taken into account and I'm not currently taking it into account, so take that for what its worth.

The bulk of my thoughts were gonna be about how when I read Chez asking the questions about the 3rd parties and claiming he didn't know how to add, I thought for sure he was a 3rd party just putting on a show. Because immediately after that WF jumped on him as scum I thought that he has the same read as me and was mafia trying to get the 3rd party lynched. This all still added up even after Chez shot if he is town because mafia wouldn't know for sure he wasn't 3rd party in the time in between.

When I was writing it all up I changed my mind on it. WF just isn't scummy looking enough to me outside of that, so I ended up scrapping it. It is something that really jumped out at me though, so if WF becomes the center of attention later, its something we could relook at.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 01 2013 05:44 GMT
#2518
On March 01 2013 14:41 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 14:34 TestSubject893 wrote:
Ok, so I rewrote this post like 5 times and changed my mind back and forth, and at the end of it all I ended up not coming up with as great of thoughts as I had originally thought I had when it was all coming togther.

I'll start with the basics I suppose. I agree with DrH on Toad. He's the top of the list for me. From there I feel like one of either Aqua or OO is scum. I was gonna write up some reasons on why its OO, but when I was doing that I kind of talked myself into thinking that its Aqua. After that grush is looking suspicious to me, but he's in that category of players where everyone talks about their crazy meta and how it needs to be taken into account and I'm not currently taking it into account, so take that for what its worth.

The bulk of my thoughts were gonna be about how when I read Chez asking the questions about the 3rd parties and claiming he didn't know how to add, I thought for sure he was a 3rd party just putting on a show. Because immediately after that WF jumped on him as scum I thought that he has the same read as me and was mafia trying to get the 3rd party lynched. This all still added up even after Chez shot if he is town because mafia wouldn't know for sure he wasn't 3rd party in the time in between.

When I was writing it all up I changed my mind on it. WF just isn't scummy looking enough to me outside of that, so I ended up scrapping it. It is something that really jumped out at me though, so if WF becomes the center of attention later, its something we could relook at.

... What are you trying to achieve with this..

you know, someone (I think it was aqua) called you scum.

posts like that, are starting to make me think he was right

is there proper analysis in this.. or even a conclusion?

Waste of a read, as far as I am concerned.. (perhaps Im just pissed at waiting almost 2 hrs for this day vig claim)


I promised to post some thoughts and this is the explanation of why I'm not doing that. Its not helpful, I agree.
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