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On March 06 2013 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol Mocsta what the fuck?
I thought you were massively misposting or something, you actually want me to do that? Alright give me a bit.
And I'll say a few things before I start: I don't regret lynching Geript. For those (such as JJ) who think his lynch was a mistake, just look at his play. He made himself impossible to ignore, and impossible not to lynch. Remember his reads, his gameplay and remember what I'm saying now, and we'll see where D4 takes us.
It shouldnt take long.. you should live reads on everyone.. im not asking for justification.. its order the ppl from the 4 groups
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On March 06 2013 09:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 09:31 JungleJorge wrote:On March 06 2013 09:20 Aquanim wrote:On March 06 2013 09:17 JungleJorge wrote:
I'll order every geript voter in order of terribleness: Everyone is terrible. I'd agree with you but voting Vivax was even worse. Aren't you the guy who was roleblocked? How do you explain the night actions? Shouldn't you be even more suspicious that vivax is SK, since the alternative is that you are scum? 1) There are other reasons why scum KP might not have been effective. Town JOAT is probably most plausible. 2) If Vivax is SK it should be blindingly obvious tomorrow or the day after and we can vote him then. There's no point in lynching him before then. 3) Pretty sure Vivax is town, have been since before he claimed vigilante.
Sorry, why is it more plausible for JOAT > SK (whether Vivax or not)
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On March 06 2013 09:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
If you want 12 reasons as to these twelve reads then gl, 'cause it'll be a while. I'm honestly not sure what you hope to gain from this besides some massively fucked up association case. You can implicate me for wanting Geript dead since D1 practically but I feel I was justified.
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Nothing complicated, I just wanted to know if we were on the same page.
Or not.. its not associating or implicating anyone.
Geript fucked himself up by not trying to take consistently take emotional stances.
I am more disappointed we lost a perfect lynch record, than that we lynched Geript.
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On March 06 2013 09:48 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 09:42 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 06 2013 09:36 Aquanim wrote:On March 06 2013 09:31 JungleJorge wrote:On March 06 2013 09:20 Aquanim wrote:On March 06 2013 09:17 JungleJorge wrote:
I'll order every geript voter in order of terribleness: Everyone is terrible. I'd agree with you but voting Vivax was even worse. Aren't you the guy who was roleblocked? How do you explain the night actions? Shouldn't you be even more suspicious that vivax is SK, since the alternative is that you are scum? 1) There are other reasons why scum KP might not have been effective. Town JOAT is probably most plausible. 2) If Vivax is SK it should be blindingly obvious tomorrow or the day after and we can vote him then. There's no point in lynching him before then. 3) Pretty sure Vivax is town, have been since before he claimed vigilante. Sorry, why is it more plausible for JOAT > SK (whether Vivax or not) Barring an extremely unlikely scenario, if there is an SK it must be Vivax and he must have really badly not thought through his vigilante claim. JOAT is not hugely likely but SK is even more unlikely and, I repeat, if Vivax is SK he MUST out himself by shooting every night and until then there is no point in worrying about it. If and when we conclude there is no SK, JOAT is the next reasonable hypothesis.
KK.. in my opinion. no point talking about it till after the night cycle. See how many NKs there are, and take it from there.
Thank God mutant MUST shoot, should make it easy to ascertain.
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On March 06 2013 10:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
My stance right now is since we (probably) don't have any vig bullets left we need to start eliminating the rest of the lurkers, or at the very least get them to speak the fuck up. It is way too easy for the final two (plus 3rd party?) to hide.
Jcarlsoniv
grush
glurio
randombum
These are the worst 4 offenders imo. I include Glurio even though I believe him to be town based on meta.
iamp and JJ are toeing the line right now; have contributed more lately and been slightly more useful, especially JJ.
OO I consider to be lurking since he didn't do anything for almost 3 days. (Although his de-lurk was pretty decent.)
That is 7 players here with not a great amount of activity this game.VERY easy for one or both scum to be hiding here since none of them (aside from iamp and maybe OO) have been under any amount of real pressure at all or done a great deal of contributing.
I am inclined to agree. Though it would be AWESOME if Dr.H or WF was scum.. i find it unlikely given the general apathy of scum play so far.. suggest they were defeated from the start.
I am inclined to consider one of the below three should be tomorrows lynch
Randombum; Aquanim; TheMachoMan
I liked randombum earlier, but, yes, recently he has been non-existent.
Actually I would vote for him now if I could.
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On March 06 2013 10:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I'm curious.
You say you agree, and yet you don't agree with WoS's opinion that I'm top scum. In fact, you even defended me during the day cycle.
May I ask why you don't hate me like everyone else does?
I already explained my thoughts on you before.. I dont see why a scum would hard defend a 100% dead Chezinu (and it was obvious there was no coming back from him).. Townies stick up for scum all the time; that doesn't make you scum.
For me: You are in the bad townie category, and I have no interest in furthering your lynch.
Having said that I wouldnt defend you either - that is your job; if someone is pushing for your lynch, my responsibility as a townie would be to find a better alternative. (See below)
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As I stated prior, Randombum ticks all the boxes for scum play (including, the slowly decaying thread contributions to signify bored VT)
TheMachoMan has not lived up to his promise of increasing post count (as this is now his sole game). His contributions are mainly +1 (e.g. He plus +1'd me on Restraining Order). I am satisfied with him as my 2nd lynch choice.
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On March 06 2013 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I survive to Day 4 it means one of two things.
2. Scum are intentionally avoiding shooting "big name vets" (I hate saying that) to mask that they are led by one. - This is a plan I've personally employed as scum, to intentionally hit lurkers/less experienced players to push suspicion onto different vets around Day 3-4.
On March 06 2013 10:10 MilkSuckler wrote:
Though it would be AWESOME if Dr.H or WF was scum.. i find it unlikely given the general apathy of scum play so far.. suggest they were defeated from the start.
by awesome i mean. awesome scum play: I still think this outcome is unlikely; however if the next 2/3 lurker lynches don't produce fruits, whoever is left should DEFINITELY consider policy lynching either of you.
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On March 06 2013 11:15 The Macho Man wrote:
what do you think of glurio?
(1) You are off my lynch list.. This was a really good contribution in my mind.
(2) I support Glurio tomorrow > randombum
I really like what you found, and it made me realise two things (that are in your content but not highlighted)
(A)
On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote:
I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement.
Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that?
Now for those saying, Jcarlsoniv also thougth Chez was town day-vig.. check out the difference in approach
On March 02 2013 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
If chez was scum, he knows milkman is town, and that shooting him would raise suspicion. Shooting first as a scum day vig is risky because of counter claiming (which no one did).
jcarlsoniv actually presents uncertainty, and shows a mindset associated with trying to figure things out with the limited information we know.
Glurio on the other hand, has come to a direct conclusion with no indication of insight...
In fact he actually attempts to create a syllogism:
Major Premise: Reference to Vivax being bold with his RB/Vig Statement
Minor Premise: Reference to Chezinu being bold with his Day-Vig target.
Conclusion: Chezinu probably be town.
He adds further strength to this syllogism, but ending with the question "would scumbe so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that?"
I find, it is scum who often answer questions, by throwing in a WIFOM question... Town take a stance (whether right or wrong, usually due to tunnelled thoughts).. So glurio approach here is indeed scummy.
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(B)
My read on Glurio was purely based on activity not content. In fairness, being a newbie, activity is probably not a fair indicator of alignment; as playstyles are still developing. So discarding that out the window, I see no positives for Glurio.
P.S.
On March 04 2013 08:45 glurio wrote:
RO does look pretty scummy. But so does geript, and if we follow vayesh's reads (he was right with chez too) he should be lynched tomorrow imo. Iamperfection found this scummy because glurio is hiding behind the words of vayehs, and I agree with that.
I find it even SCUMMIER, that he hides behind the words of BC to then: attempt to diffuse the RO lynch, by presenting Geript.
Nice work TMM, I will be voting Glurio tomorrow.
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On March 06 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list:
WoS, DrH, WF, randombum, Macho Man
Need to relook though.
Randombum + Glurio
Glurio first.
Randombum second.
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On March 06 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote:
Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill?
I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker. Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes? n revised thoughts on glue-man
@ WoS
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On March 06 2013 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 13:35 MilkSuckler wrote:For filter On March 06 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:On March 06 2013 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote:
Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill?
I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker. Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes? n revised thoughts on glue-man @ WoS I'll tell you what. I'll do it if I know someone other than you is going to read it. 
Whats that meant to mean?
I am not even asking you something to do... you suggested it upon yourself
On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright this makes me want to have another go at glurio's filter, though even if I find something that changes my mind from my earlier town stance I can't see myself wanting to lynch him ahead of the other 3 I mentioned.
I remember feeling very strongly early that he was town; but I'll check to be sure.
The filter is not exactly a big one to digest.... so stop being a bitch and complaining
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On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ooooo Mocsta angwy.
I'm serious though. Why should I keep feeding information that only you are going to use? Are you the town in its entirety? How are you going to be using the information I give you in the form of my read on Glurio? You're right I did suggest that I was going to do it; but I changed my mind. I don't find any compelling reason to do it right now. I'm not about to die anytime soon, after all. I may not be town in its entirety, but I am one of the few left who still give a shit.
Mark my words... If I want you lynched tomorrow, you *WILL* be lynched tomorrow.
You and I are the only two here that have played with Glurio prior, and coincidentally we both gave him a meta town read.
I have reverted; and am curious whether you are going to stick to your guns.
If that is too much effort for you, perhaps you should be lynched tomorrow so you can solely focus on your newbie game.
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On March 06 2013 14:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Unless you're scum, of course, amirite?.
:D
Wow, im so scared because a lurker has made an accusation.
You have zero town cred Wave, your more than welcome to try. Will at least cure this boredom.
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On March 06 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:07 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 06 2013 14:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Unless you're scum, of course, amirite?.
:D Wow, im so scared because a lurker has made an accusation. You have zero town cred Wave, your more than welcome to try. Will at least cure this boredom. What? I'm not trying shit, you're the one who threatened me. I merely stated that lynching me would only bring you closer to accomplishing your win-con if you're scum, a 100% true statement. Nothing more, nothing less. :D
Well I am disappointed because
(1) Aquanim poised a valid question - which I doubt will return a mod-confirmed answer ... and you have spammed it away
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(2) You're pro Glu-man, and anti jcarl
In what I developed from macho man.. .i showed one example of a clear contrast between Glu/jcarl (which I think speaks town favourably for jcarl).
Out of everyone, I expected you to be the most exuberant with this development.
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On March 06 2013 14:23 WaveofShadow wrote:As to your second point...don't make me repeat myself. It's unseemly. Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll look into it when I'm damn good and ready.
:D
Your a twat; that does not refute an iota of what I wrote prior.
Or in short.
You have investment in both players being contested; yet, now suddenly are too lazy to provide your own stance.
And throughout this, you have the spirit of mind to imply: I exhibit mafia behavior.
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On March 06 2013 14:08 Aquanim wrote:
@Aquanim
I am not sold on JOAT.
If a JOAT medic save occured, the hit recipient + medic would be notified of save.
I can understand the medic saying nothing (as 2 scum left)... but.. the hit recipient saying nothing is weird.
I think much scenarios are;
Withheld shot
or
Hit Mutant.
Considering scum position, withheld shot makes no sense; I expect a mutant to be in the mix
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FML fail
EBWOP
@Aquanim
I am not sold on JOAT.
If a JOAT medic save occured, the hit recipient + medic would be notified of save.
I can understand the medic saying nothing (as 2 scum left)... but.. the hit recipient saying nothing is weird.
I think much scenarios are;
Withheld shot
or
Hit Mutant.
Considering scum position, withheld shot makes no sense; I expect a mutant to be in the mix
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On March 06 2013 14:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you frustrated that I implied you are scum for threatening to lynch me? Because I didn't imply anything,
Right, so if I look at your filter and Ctrl+F (MS/Milk/Moc) I wont constantly find scum within the same sentence...
Cos if that is what you are telling me, then you need to be lynched NOW for lying.
And looky here, Soniv has come out to play. Here's some advice, if you're to accuse me of something, at least put in the barest amount of effort to back it up; don't rely on the work others have done.
How about take your own advice
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On March 06 2013 14:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:44 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 06 2013 14:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you frustrated that I implied you are scum for threatening to lynch me? Because I didn't imply anything, Right, so if I look at your filter and Ctrl+F (MS/Milk/Moc) I wont constantly find scum within the same sentence... Cos if that is what you are telling me, then you need to be lynched NOW for lying. And looky here, Soniv has come out to play. Here's some advice, if you're to accuse me of something, at least put in the barest amount of effort to back it up; don't rely on the work others have done. How about take your own advice Semantics, my dear. I didn't imply you were scum for threatening to lynch me. Never said anything about calling you scummy earlier in the thread. And you make a good point, you're just begging for me to make a case against you, aren't you? You are TANTALIZED by the prospect of it.
I already said bring it on, im bored
So yes, tantalized indeed biatche
And stop bullshitting semantics... this game has many implications beyond semantics.. even newbies like you should understand the basics like that..
Heres 2 quotes for you
On March 01 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit.
? On March 03 2013 10:32 WaveofShadow wrote:You're right, which is why I suggest dropping it for now. You're on my radar after the rest of this shit goes down, that's all.
There are many more. P.S. Since when do you ask ppl to look into your town reads.. TWAT 
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On March 06 2013 14:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
no one seemed to be really suspicious of WoS before but now that geript is flipped all of a sudden everyone is riding him? i'm gonna look into it but that seems really weird to me
no1 seemed to care much about BC's reads when he died, or toadesstern, or ve, or anyone else
Whose riding WoS?
Are you even reading the thread anymore, or just pretending to contribute?
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