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On March 04 2013 20:46 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 20:39 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 18:46 Aquanim wrote:On March 04 2013 18:40 ObviousOne wrote:@Aqua: On March 01 2013 11:42 randombum wrote:On March 01 2013 11:36 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:29 randombum wrote:Alright 22, Restraining order, Overall, another really short one, but the conclusion is different though. I don't like his posting. Mostly lurkerish and minimal analysis (focused on JJ). His tone also really bugs me like: On February 27 2013 01:09 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 00:35 The Milkman wrote:
Why are people of low thread presence trying to defend Promethelax and swing the lynch somewhere else? This is the dumbest thing I have read all game, and let me tell you, there are plenty dumb things around. I hate comments like that which really shouldn't be a part of team liquid. His most redeeming post is: On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Which is basically a scum list with no justification. In other words, it's pretty pointless/bad. And that's his most redeeming. So he's super suspicious to me. Not quite as strong as jcarl because jcarls filter just as shitty, but as I posted earlier jcarl backtracked his reads with almost no explanation which to me is worse than lurking. Randombum.. thanks for going through the filters. you have identified two people you are suspicious of. What do you intend to do with them? I already stated I'm going to lynch jcarl unless I get convinced by somebody else. If for some reason nobody wants jcarl and they want RO instead I'd be willing to lynch him too. On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote:On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote:
Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBumOn March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote:
Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu?What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on. On March 04 2013 13:40 randombum wrote:
Also, anybody want to discuss somebody not geript? Like jcarl, let's lynch that guy. Interestingly enough he wanted to do a vote switch from Chez based on Chez not being shot by a town day-vig. But he is interested in lynching Jcarl and I think that's bonus points for him right now. Still not interested in a randombum lynch. He looks like he's trying to figure stuff out. Well there's only two scum left and unless randombum and jcarlsoniv are the last two scum I don't see why scum randombum wouldn't attack a suspicious-looking jcarlsoniv. After all, randombum has to do something... Association, Association, Association. Assuming randombum is town simply because he's attacking the scummy-looking jcarlsoniv is indeed a pointless association case and that was was in fact the point of my post. Certainly didn't read that way to me.
Sounded like you said: it is a reasonable course of action.
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On March 04 2013 20:48 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 20:46 Aquanim wrote:On March 04 2013 20:39 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 18:46 Aquanim wrote:On March 04 2013 18:40 ObviousOne wrote:@Aqua: On March 01 2013 11:42 randombum wrote:On March 01 2013 11:36 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:29 randombum wrote:Alright 22, Restraining order, Overall, another really short one, but the conclusion is different though. I don't like his posting. Mostly lurkerish and minimal analysis (focused on JJ). His tone also really bugs me like: On February 27 2013 01:09 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 00:35 The Milkman wrote:
Why are people of low thread presence trying to defend Promethelax and swing the lynch somewhere else? This is the dumbest thing I have read all game, and let me tell you, there are plenty dumb things around. I hate comments like that which really shouldn't be a part of team liquid. His most redeeming post is: On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Which is basically a scum list with no justification. In other words, it's pretty pointless/bad. And that's his most redeeming. So he's super suspicious to me. Not quite as strong as jcarl because jcarls filter just as shitty, but as I posted earlier jcarl backtracked his reads with almost no explanation which to me is worse than lurking. Randombum.. thanks for going through the filters. you have identified two people you are suspicious of. What do you intend to do with them? I already stated I'm going to lynch jcarl unless I get convinced by somebody else. If for some reason nobody wants jcarl and they want RO instead I'd be willing to lynch him too. On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote:On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote:
Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBumOn March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote:
Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu?What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on. On March 04 2013 13:40 randombum wrote:
Also, anybody want to discuss somebody not geript? Like jcarl, let's lynch that guy. Interestingly enough he wanted to do a vote switch from Chez based on Chez not being shot by a town day-vig. But he is interested in lynching Jcarl and I think that's bonus points for him right now. Still not interested in a randombum lynch. He looks like he's trying to figure stuff out. Well there's only two scum left and unless randombum and jcarlsoniv are the last two scum I don't see why scum randombum wouldn't attack a suspicious-looking jcarlsoniv. After all, randombum has to do something... Association, Association, Association. Assuming randombum is town simply because he's attacking the scummy-looking jcarlsoniv is indeed a pointless association case and that was was in fact the point of my post. If I had an apple for every time someone drew associative tells between unflipped players, and an orange for every time this associative tell was worthless because said players were in fact not flipped, I'd have a fair number of apples and almost as many oranges. Rather more on topic, I've done a pretty stunning takedown of Geript's N2/D3 play earlier on this page. What are your thoughts, MS? Are u serious? Do u want me to do a Toad?
[Toad mode On]
I been on Geript since his first post.. when I shot his mayor plan down.. I have been calling him scum since Day1.
I am also the one that has been pushing his meta case SINCE day 1.
So yeah.. my thoughts are no different Wade... he is scum.
[Toad mode Off]
Yeah i agree. I been reading the frustration play, and was concerned he stuck to his guns so hard that he could be town.. but.. after the olive branch I extended today, he decided to push away and piss all over. Can only be scum.
Even OO who got pissed off with me pretty badly, had contributed more since.
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On March 04 2013 20:56 Wade Fell wrote:
Regardless, I will not be drawing associative tells between unflipped players.
No no.. i understand that.. im just highlighting prematurely I find Aquanim play severely underwhelming (him self-admitting that, doesnt make him town).
Im leaning towards intentional uselessness... the coaching tactic is pretty clever though and next time I roll scum might give it a shot..
It displays interest in the lynch; and also allows the coach to get an ego boost (which always helps with giving town reads)
Overall, I like the strat
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On March 04 2013 20:57 Wade Fell wrote:
Just making sure. It certainly wouldn't do for a mafia player to cry their way out of the noose.
Yes.. but it is a tried and true method.
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On March 04 2013 20:56 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 20:50 MilkSuckler wrote:I tell you, if aqua and wade fell are scum.. well fucking done. The constant mentor / student association happening here reads with some conviction. WadeConsidering Geript refuses to vote for Aquanim (even when Aquanim is under heat) & Aquanim has required coaching (from you   ) to agree on each lynch... What are your current thoughts on a Aquanim as the next Day lynch? When Geript flips scum, my suspicion of Aquanim shoots up greatly. It has been noted that on the toad lynch my efforts to convince him were not in fact very convincing to others-- though I certainly found them convincing. His odd words about lynching for information during D2 are also troubling, as well as his slowness to vote Chez (though he did verbally commit to such a vote early in the day). I have a couple other candidates on my radar as well, as much as they can *be* on a radar-- hassybaby and ObviousOne
With hassybaby.. surely.. he is getting modkilled.. no activity is like 5 days
OO, yeah I find the timing of his de-lurk very odd.. i didnt want to comment because I didnt want to interupt the conversation between OO/Aqua... but I found it *VERY* suspicious
Sounds like you have no qualms with jcarlsoniv?
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On March 04 2013 21:02 Wade Fell wrote:
This might be the only time anyone has suggested that I am too friendly, and this may be a scumtell.
That went over my head. is this aquanim?
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On March 04 2013 21:09 Wade Fell wrote:zZz pro filter time Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 21:07 Blazinghand wrote:
jcarlsoniv is scummy, but not like obviousone or aqua is. He is more suspicious if by some stretch of the imagination geript flips town since he pushed geript yesterday as a counterwagon to chez.
In fact, about 60% of the players in this game are scummy for one reason or another. I'll just lynch them one at a time, starting with the scummiest first, until all the scum are gone. Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 21:07 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 21:02 Wade Fell wrote:
This might be the only time anyone has suggested that I am too friendly, and this may be a scumtell. That went over my head. is this aquanim? Uou mention in this post (link) that giving and recieving coaching is a good scum strat for appearing productive, and would allow a coach (in this case, me), to give out townreads (to aquanim) easily with an ego boost if we were scumbuddies. Typically, I have a highly abrasive style of play and people criticize me for being too brash (as a scumtell) rather than too nurturing (as a scumtell). I was pleasantly surprised to read this.
Fair enough.. I assume your saying Aquanim treating you as a coach is the scum tell 
In the case that you are indeed referencing me.. I am the one that has been having digs at you all game for the e-peen contest.
Either way... I just wish these cycles were shorter, its now not even a case of having good reads.. town has the numbers advantage (Especially with max. 1 KP from scum (maybe 2Kp for one night if JOAT is around)).. we can just lynch systematically to the win.
In fact, scum really should just concede if they used the JOAT night 1 .,. cos no chance bartender can douse everyone left to a win.
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On March 04 2013 22:12 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 19:55 Wade Fell wrote:
Geript has no tools, no day vigilante shot to wave around, and unlike Prom he is the 4th of 5 scum and cannot afford to go quietly into the night. Well you're at least right about me having no tools. Show nested quote +So he feigns anger, but he does it carefully-- no additional information or cases given out, just lashing at the two strongest townies remaining in the game. And geript is no ordinary anger-feigner, he is a skilled technician who works with mental patients-- he can feign anger like no other. Hmmmm, we'll see about how much I've been feigning if I ever become a vig. Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 20:10 Wade Fell wrote:As a final note, and this must not be ignored: as it became clear his lynch today is unavoidable, geript has stopped trying to lynch his scumreads and is instead doing anything to avoid getting lynched. If we remember, as N2 drew to an end, geript stated (link) his three scumreads were Aqua, WoS, and one of Hassy/RO/DrH with TMM as potential third-party. As D3 dawned and he realized I was truly against him, he decided that I too was scum. No, my lynch became unavoidable halfway through D2 at the latest. No, at D3 I realized who you are(or who I think you are). Well you're partially right I have stopped trying. So since you're so interested in me doing something productive, I'm not going to. I'm not interested in doing anything that could possibly help someone who is intentionally making a case for a retributive lynch. Quite frankly, the fact that you're making the case should help me when I say: LYNCH THIS MOTHERFUCKER WITH FIRE!!!!!
Im getting tired of this
Seriously.. PM the mother fucker and ask if he is "xxxx" .. This side-story is total bullshit to read and is almost worthy of a warning for playing against your win-con (whether town or scum)
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On March 04 2013 22:39 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 22:36 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 04 2013 22:12 geript wrote:On March 04 2013 19:55 Wade Fell wrote:
Geript has no tools, no day vigilante shot to wave around, and unlike Prom he is the 4th of 5 scum and cannot afford to go quietly into the night. Well you're at least right about me having no tools. So he feigns anger, but he does it carefully-- no additional information or cases given out, just lashing at the two strongest townies remaining in the game. And geript is no ordinary anger-feigner, he is a skilled technician who works with mental patients-- he can feign anger like no other. Hmmmm, we'll see about how much I've been feigning if I ever become a vig. On March 04 2013 20:10 Wade Fell wrote:As a final note, and this must not be ignored: as it became clear his lynch today is unavoidable, geript has stopped trying to lynch his scumreads and is instead doing anything to avoid getting lynched. If we remember, as N2 drew to an end, geript stated (link) his three scumreads were Aqua, WoS, and one of Hassy/RO/DrH with TMM as potential third-party. As D3 dawned and he realized I was truly against him, he decided that I too was scum. No, my lynch became unavoidable halfway through D2 at the latest. No, at D3 I realized who you are(or who I think you are). Well you're partially right I have stopped trying. So since you're so interested in me doing something productive, I'm not going to. I'm not interested in doing anything that could possibly help someone who is intentionally making a case for a retributive lynch. Quite frankly, the fact that you're making the case should help me when I say: LYNCH THIS MOTHERFUCKER WITH FIRE!!!!! Im getting tired of this Seriously.. PM the mother fucker and ask if he is "xxxx" .. This side-story is total bullshit to read and is almost worthy of a warning for playing against your win-con (whether town or scum) I'd actually recommend against PMing me, and if you do so I will probably ignore it while we're still in this game. PMs no good. in any case I assume that this, like many other things geript has said, is a fabrication True true.. apologies for lapse of thought.
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Best outcome of this cycle is grey mist agreeing to shorter cycles once this one finishes.
Let us rejoice.
Geript. Plenty of town rage quit. The problem in my opinion is that u came back after a short period of time.
However. I am swapping my vote to aquanim.
Geript frustration is reading with true conviction to me. I don't think it is of being a shit scum player...yes, I have been swayed by emotion.
Have we all not been `lost` in previous games?
I think geript play is a classic example of a guy underestimating the skill and reputation some players have and was on the back foot from his first post.
As for aqua. His martyr request for the role block simply does not bode well for me. His constant requirement to be coached does not bode well for me. His lack of genuine scum reads does not bode well for me. Sticking with guys like OO or hassybaby isn't redefining scum hunting by any means.
For all those fuckers that want to say I'm sticking up for a scum buddy. Go fuck your self and make a case on me, otherwise please read the above and determine whether your thoughts are that tunneled on geript to consider his emotional plea to be purely that of scum.
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Lol I assume we are in sync..and that wasn't a reply to me
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Well unfortunately he responds in a manner difficult to respond to.
The thing is he has been consistent in this approach all game. Suggesting a player tilted from the when his mayor campaign was insta-rejected.
If scum, I would expect even novice level to change gears and try to save themselves.
Not geript.
He still chooses to be a bulldozer with an undersized engine.
I think that is much more synonymous with bad town play than shore scum play.
Again look at aquanim and his approach to entering all lynches. This guy loves Beijing the critical thinker when town and putting down all others who are impulsive and obnoxious, if he thinks you`re not contributing... He tells y.
There is none of that this game except for an rb which has no basis.
Lynch aquanim
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Ebwop
Difficult to NOT respond to
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Geript.. I have again offered an olive branch. This is the last time I will extend this.
Your conversation with your top scum target WoS.. reads very forced.
Frankly I don't care what you do in real life, and I judge you on your on-game ability, not your apparent skills from profession.
Bring out your WoS case as promised, I will judge fairly; and will do my best to ensure it is fairly judged across the board.
I expect a well-reasoned, rational case removed of fallacies, in particular emotion. That you are back to actively communicating (instead of yelling) suggests your mindset is capable of producing this quality, please deliver.
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On March 05 2013 10:11 geript wrote:
I'll do my best to have it done before clinical tomorrow morning.
Dude..
Let me be clear.
You're in the shit.. and there is 23hours to deadline.
In order for you to have a chance at clearing your name; you require at least 6 hrs of discussion (to account for the timezone differences).
Further, in order to clear AND find a sutiable alternative (not necessarily WoS) I think you need at least 12 hrs.
Further, that you stated you had the goods ready to go, and are now asking for extensions... I CERTAINLY do not like.
I am at work for ~7hrs. If I dont see a solid case on WoS by the time I get home today, my vote is going back on you.
It is that simple.
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On March 05 2013 10:55 The Macho Man wrote:
i guess we should just wait
howeer geript lasts posts seem to be testing the waters in whether he should bother in making a case or not.
that is scummy to me.
Agreed in full. hence the deadline.
So after this flip TMM, whose your next target?
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Dont matter, now that Geript has given up
Vote goes back to him, and back to 24hrs of doing nothing.
hassy will be modkilled, so will be interesting if this lynch finishes off teh game.
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On March 05 2013 12:09 geript wrote:
Moc I appreciate it but it clearly wasn't worth wasting my time.
Its your call and most importantly YOUR time.
One thing i Know is.. lynches are never certain till the deadline.. I have only played 7 games, but seen plenty of last minute vote swaps.. ESPECIALLY in situations like this, where it stays uncontested fro such a long time, the self-doubt comes out.
You made your bed and now have to sleep in it. So see you in post-game.
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I don't get it.. if your going to "ragequit" ... log off, and stop posting?
The desire to keep responding, is actually more of a scum desperation plea; than a pissed off townie.
Further; if you intend to play more games within this community, I suggest you re-read this game.
I don't think Dr.H/BH have done anything wrong.
The arguments you chose to engage them in were terribad:
- BH I am sure I know you in person.. read my mind
- VE is scum because he is gearing up for pardoner (wat the??)
- Dr.H is scum because he changed his mind and is running for mayor
- WoS is scum, but I don't have any evidence ready to go to support that claim
I mean this respectfully.. but the above: well, even bad townies are better than that....
Hence, its not the fault of any player who thought you were scum and chased you.
If you want a similar example of scum using "your existing tactics"
Try Normal Mini Mafia 4... Player: JX
Read the last part of his filter before I nailed him (using the same methods as BH to you in this game).
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On March 05 2013 12:47 geript wrote:
No, let's just say that I've gone through the stages of denial at least a few times now and I've mostly reached acceptance. I'm talking because I'm bored at work and if anything this is a cathartic release right now. I don't fault them for thinking I'm scum; although I would figure that they were better. But when I play BSG the hardest people to read are the newer players because they don't understand how you think they should play. Again, you're trying to rationalize emotion. I mean the dislike of BH is likely more obvious; I fault him on some level for projecting onto me how he thinks a normal townie by his standards would play. Something similar to what I was likely doing earlier on with VE/Doc. I am just not that, not will I likely ever be.
Please don't treat this as an attempt to delynch myself or try and read into this in any other specific way.
I disagree, but its post-game talk. Will save it for then if you still around.
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