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On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip.
I actually wondered about that bit too, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him clarify before I call it a scumslip.
And you because you were there with geript pushing doubt and nothing else on Day 1 Prom Lynch and you're playing very scared and hesitant. Problem with mafia game is differentiating new and scared town from mafia can be pretty hard so I'd hope you start putting some pep in your step and show some initiative here.
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On March 03 2013 02:03 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 01:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
by the way if the mad hatter had bombs on chezinu and geript id consider lynching the mad hatter
or testsubject/geript
just blow this game up and let's see what we have on day 3 The flavour says, hatter/engineer can only lay 1 bomb per night.. so if you do that, u kill 1 guy for 1 return. also.. Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 01:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Who was it that said JJ was scum for claiming Jailer? That person is likely scum and should get shot. That is absolute retardation JJ is confirmed town
the only scenario in which JJ could be lying is one in which JJ and Vivax are both scum if I'm actually thinking clearly right now Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 07:20 Wade Fell wrote:On March 02 2013 07:19 Vivax wrote:
Wade, why do you completely ignore JJ's Jailer claim? It's a meaningless claim. The only thing it does is make him look scummier I believe it was Wade Fell. i still dont get why it makes him confirmed town (as per here)
There are two roleblocks last night:
Toadesstern was roleblocked (flipped town, he has no reason to lie so more or less proven)
Vivax was roleblocked (unproven)
There are two roleblockers in the game:
Town Jailer
Mafia Roleblocker
If JJ is scum then he is fake claiming Town Roleblocker when in reality he is either the scum roleblocker who RB'd Vivax/Toades or one of his teammates is. The problem is, because there were two claimed roleblocks scum would know for certain that jailer is a present role in the game and would never claim it because it would be counterclaimed. The only way scum would claim this role is if Vivax is scum and is lying about his roleblock but in that case STILL they would not know if the Jailer really exists or not.
So either JJ and Vivax are both scum scheming together or JJ is probably the actual jailer
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so jj being scum depends on vivax lying about the roleblock
if jj is scum roleblocker who rb'd toades then the town rb who jailed vivax would still counterclaim so i dont think jj is lying
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I'll reread you testsubject, don't worry. What I remember happening Day 1 and what actually happened Day 1 are almost always 2 very different things.
If anyone wants proof Geript is scum/3rd party go look at his town filter from the last newbie mafia. It couldn't be more different, I usually hate meta reads but this one is nothing but net
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and @TestSubject, go read Ver's guide, go look at some good townplay in other threads, there's always aggression. I've relentlessly attacked people I didn't have strong reads are because it forces me to come to a conclusion based on their responses. Look how hard I grilled WoS early in this game on more or less one/two sentences. He responded well and that null/unsure read got pushed into a town read. You have to push your null reads so they swing one way or the other, if you just sit on a null read then you're not ever going to have an opinion.
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On March 03 2013 02:32 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 02:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and @TestSubject, go read Ver's guide, go look at some good townplay in other threads, there's always aggression. I've relentlessly attacked people I didn't have strong reads are because it forces me to come to a conclusion based on their responses. Look how hard I grilled WoS early in this game on more or less one/two sentences. He responded well and that null/unsure read got pushed into a town read. You have to push your null reads so they swing one way or the other, if you just sit on a null read then you're not ever going to have an opinion. Ok, I'll read the guide. The fear I have with pushing null reads is that if they turn out to be town it makes me look scummy, and wastes the town's time by making them go after me next. For example, early in this game, when my read on you was null and I pointed that out. You've had me pegged as scummy ever since.
Being wrong isn't scummy, pressuring someone you later decide is town isn't scummy
it's all about how you do it and what your intentions are
if you pressured someone, they explained themselves well and knocked down your points against them and you still kept calling them scum, that would be scummy. it's ok to change your mind.
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I can't rely on that for a read in a semi-closed setup like this. I'm unfamiliar with Chezinu's setup and the way he's been acting after his shot is supremely unhelpful. Fingering me for suspicion despite being one of the few to defend him and posting a big list of wifom reads is pretty standard mafia behavior and that's always the most telling thing. I've called for him to be killed by a vig, I feel more comfortable about Geript though so that's the lynch I'll push.
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*Chezinu's meta not Chezinu's setup
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On March 03 2013 03:15 geript wrote:
For those of you who are taking my previous town meta into play, I want you to ask yourself one question: "How many of those posts do you think I got coaching on?"
So you would completely abandon everything you learned?
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lol i never attacked prome for being focused on town reads, what
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You haven't pushed. You FoS'd WaveofShadow and me and VE but never tried to convince anyone to lynch. You're voting for yourself instead of me.
You still have nothing to say to the fact that your case was tied together by a scumslip that doesn't exist. If that was the reason you thought I was scum, why do you still think so after I cut that down? Mocsta is Milk Suckler? I don't have a scumread on him so I'm not going to go dive through his metagame just because you asked me to. Why would I give a damn about someone elses town reads or why would anybody?
If your focus is discrediting us instead of pushing for the lynch of people who you think are scum - you are not playing like a townie. Period. You admit that's your goal. Not to lynch scum. But to discredit us. In your last game you say after your death that all that matters is lynching scum. You're scum.
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On March 03 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm. LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique Nice DE-LURK i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game This. And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous.
Looking at last game, townie geript would be curious about understanding your reasoning and probably fall back when coming into new information. Any townie would. Geript isn't doing that.
When he actually pointed out the one thing about me that would be a reasonable argument (it's untrue, but if he really thinks I'm a liar stealing pardoner he should have been pushing me yesterday) he then comes out and says I've been saying a lot of stuff that makes him think I'm town but can't say what it is. Now he's completely unwilling to listen to anything I have to say. This all happened after a PROVEN NONEXISTENT SCUMSLIP that he refuses to acknowledge right now. There is no way Geript is town.
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On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:And DrH I brought up the meta points regarding geript before and he defended himself using RL without explaining himself further. Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 04:54 geript wrote:On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here. It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like. On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end. But how does that make me scum? On the Meta case: If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work. It makes you scum because you've been calling frantically for a vig shot waste and a mayor kill for ages with very little to go on. I admitted that part of your case has merit but I explained my thoughts on that. The rest is just useless. As far as the meta explanation, what is DR? And yeah, I get that RL is an issue; the only times I can contribute are during downtime at school or when my 2-month old kid is asleep (read: rarely), but I have been contributing nonetheless. Why would you sign up then if you have no time to make meaningful contributions? (I'm also unsure if you're trying to excuse your play this game or last game; I'm assuming you mean this game, but you contributed more often this game in a shorter amount of time {D1}, the posts are just crappier). Why does no one pay attention to my cases. 
Because I don't have time to read someones filter from a previous game while I'm at work
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On March 03 2013 03:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Why does no one pay attention to my cases. Because some people are more focused on jerking each other off and picking on newbies than anything else. I can't wait until I get to be a vig, I'm only going to shoot out of spite.
That's hardly happening in this game. Accusing you is not "picking on you". You can be spiteful or if you are town you could take it as a signal and try to keep improving your play. If you're going to keep playing mafia games just to spite people because you're bitter then I'll head right over to the banlist thread and argue until I'm blue that you're never allowed to play a game here again. How childish is that?
This is actually pretty low on vet arrogance, you should see Ace play
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On March 03 2013 04:15 geript wrote:
Funny, no vet circle jerk? You seem quite fine dismissing any point made by a non-vet. Other than the "obvious" Prom case, you haven't even considered that other vets could be scum/3rd party. You're not concerned with that at all. You're total scum.
Toades was a vet and I tunneled him...
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BC is the only vet in this game I respect and he flipped town so really you're just whining
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Chez shot milkman cause I was asking for a dayvig to shoot him and milkman was his top read supposedly, it seems it had nothing to do with you bh
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Anyway isn't looking for mafia irc cheating
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Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight
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On March 03 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight I'll think about it maybe I don't know.
Ur basically guaranteed hit or rbd though
Hatter just throw bombs down and lets lynch him tomorrow
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