EPTOn March 08 2013 08:56 glurio wrote:
Don't worry its the same alignment. Let's get my lynched at page 200!
Don't worry its the same alignment. Let's get my lynched at page 200!
Sure OK. One more post...
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I'd encourage everyone to re-examine TestSubject with the following two questions in mind: 1) Is TestSubject looking for scum? 2) Has TestSubject done anything which is far more likely from town than scum? My answers to these questions were no and no. If you disagree I'd love to discuss it, but only with people who've actually put in the work and reread him recently. | ||
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 One question: Night two, scum *withholds* KP to frame up me or whoever they thought you'd roleblock for the lack of KP, town vig Vivax shoots RO. Why is this implausible? | ||
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On March 08 2013 13:48 MilkSuckler wrote: (4) Where does this leave Aquanim? When Vivax flips red, I would consider insta-lynching Aquanim. With the context above, the RB (on Aqua vs JJ/Vivax) makes no sense; but Aqua continual urge to justify the RB makes me feel uneasy. If I was town, I would have no idea why I was RB'd.. and would leave it alone as it is all WIFOM.. Aqua instead continues to flesh this out (e.g. the post I am responding to). Layabout has been screaming non-stop for my lynch for the last two days based solely on that roleblock. It's also perhaps the biggest thing in this game that doesn't make a blind bit of sense and might solve the game. So no, I'm not "leaving it alone". | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Did JJ forget to send in his roleblock? What happened to that? Because if he jailed the person mafia hit that would actually explain everything. The thought's occured to me. A couple of times. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:14 The Macho Man wrote: i can not wrap my head around a scum shooting his own teammate it just seems to stupid to be possible. I know, right... but can you think of a single other explanation for N2? | ||
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1) If the only explanation for the observed events was that Vivax was scum why would scum do it in the first place? Answer: Should have been obvious. If JJ had actually done a JK that would have explained the lack of scum KP, which perfectly explains why they didn't roleblock him (which has been mentioned before). Fortuitous in hindsight. I think this was mentioned by JJ but it took me a while to get it through my head. 2) Vivax claimed vigilante Night 1 and scum would have had to "use" their roleblock on him to explain his lack of KP. Answer: Implies a fair bit of planning in advance but I suppose I can see it. Roleblock night 1 is a bit of a crapshoot 3) I had a townread on Vivax independent of vigilante claim. Answer: I've been wrong before and will likely be wrong again. Which leaves the question of "would scum really shoot themselves with their own KP?". I have doubts but it's the kind of plan Vivax and Chezinu would come up with. ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So you aren't convinced by the case at all and are unsure about the night action so why would you vote for vivax? That wasn't what I said. I said that I did have doubts, and then gave my answers to all of them, for two purposes: 1) to make my thought process transparent which I think is a good policy 2) in case anyone else was stuck on the same points, my explanation might help them get past those points | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not really sure what your thoughts are, it seems you don't have much of an opinion at all. Short version: I can't see any other explanation for night 2 besides Vivax being scum. So, I'm voting for him. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote: ... I'll just repeat my argument: Nothing stopped me from claiming being roleblocked all the time or shooting someone like hassy instead of a teammate. Scum knew I wasn't going to be RBd, so I don't know what happened to their shot, they might have framed me by withholding KP knowing I would shoot, which is now working just fine. ... The trouble is that scum must have thought JungleJorge would JK someone and so the lack of scum KP would be blamed on that. It would be impossible to know even after the JK'd player was flipped that scum KP hadn't been lost by a shot either on or from the JK target. So this plan from scum wouldn't actually accomplish anything. | ||
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Feeling a lot better about PR balance with Vivax scum after that claim. I wouldn't have though an additional JOAT would be required for balance personally, but I suppose it's possible (scum might need something we haven't seen yet as well, though). | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:02 iamperfection wrote: o shit my bad I lol'd. GG iamp. And vivax too, that vigilante play was pretty sweet. | ||
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I know nothing happened in the last cycle but that doesn't make it day now... | ||
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 GLHF | ||
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Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch). At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/ Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers). | ||
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On March 13 2013 12:48 TestSubject893 wrote: I wouldn't blame yourself for not lynching me. The first several days I played exactly as I would as town and when I was attacking your case I was doing it sincerely. I really did think you didn't have enough to go on. For the record, when I wrote that case I was as convinced (if not more) that you were scum as I have ever been about anyone else in a game of mafia. You were just not assertive, at all. I appreciate you said something about finding scum by intensive conversation with people - as far as I could tell you weren't doing that either, you'd just done nothing for four days. Obviously your view and my view of your play differ rather a lot. Unfortunately the only real way I had to convince anyone was to say "go read his filter". And nobody could be bothered. | ||
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