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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 07:28 GMT
#1756
On March 02 2013 16:25 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll answer that for him. Either I'm town, or I'm scum that decided on the brilliant strategy of bussing all of my teammates at points where it was completely unnecessary for me to do so. Uh huh.



bussing all of your teammates instantly would be the only smart way for mafia to survive this game. everyone had been calling dieno and keir scum since their first posts.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 07:31 GMT
#1758
Hapa, I'm serious, do you want to duel?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 07:44 GMT
#1762
On March 02 2013 16:35 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hapa, I'm serious, do you want to duel?


That's what I'm trying to decide right now. You're not responding to this like I would have expected scum-Thrawn to tbh.

I still can't for the life of me see why you wouldn't take the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone.


Here's how it goes:

I decided they are the scummiest in the thread and both should duel. I decided that Dienosore was the scummiest. I spent the rest of the cycle trying to figure out if the idea that 2 scum would agree to a duel is a bet worth taking. I decided it wasn't, so I only lynched one of them.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 07:46 GMT
#1765
well that's depressing. now it will be 10x harder to figure out your alignment
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 10:39 GMT
#1779
oh damn yamato... could you be scum?

yeah I think he is. i'm tired right now so making a big fancy case is too much work. i'll do it later.

if you wanna know why he's scum, look at his filter starting here

read how his reads change from when keir first got called out, till right before adam's duel, and to after the duel. look at the justification yamato uses to lynch adam instead of keir. yamato went from wanting someone to hang keir, to voting to lynch the person that hanged keir. that in of itself is a good enough reason to put him on the stand tomorrow
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 10:58 GMT
#1780
On March 02 2013 19:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh damn yamato... could you be scum?

yeah I think he is. i'm tired right now so making a big fancy case is too much work. i'll do it later.

if you wanna know why he's scum, look at his filter starting here

read how his reads change from when keir first got called out, till right before adam's duel, and to after the duel. look at the justification yamato uses to lynch adam instead of keir. yamato went from wanting someone to hang keir, to voting to lynch the person that hanged keir. that in of itself is a good enough reason to put him on the stand tomorrow


yamato went from wanting someone to hang keir, to voting to lynch the person that hanged keir. that in of itself is a good enough reason to put him on the stand tomorrow

yamato went from wanting someone to hang keir, to voting to lynch the person that hanged keir. that in of itself is a good enough reason to put him on the stand tomorrow



READ ALL OF THESE THEY ARE IMPORTANT:

On February 26 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:

Honestly, I want to see Keir hang. Someone make it happen. Sylencia is another one I could live without right now. My null reads from earlier have returned to the thread and done fuck all to make me think they're townie. Time's a wastin'


On February 26 2013 16:05 yamato77 wrote:
"Not seeing town motivation" is not the same as "seeing scum motivation". A point I learned well lately. You'll have to do better than that to justify a red read on Adam, Keir.


On February 26 2013 17:34 yamato77 wrote:
What I fail to see the town motivation in here is Adam wanting to cut off all discussion about the read in general. Keir's last point he made was actually a salient one, that Adam professing his own towniness over his actions is a scummy thing to do. I really don't want to lynch him now that I understand his thought process about this read, because while I initially disagreed, it seems more likely now that this might be the case.

I don't think a town Adam has as little forethought as to make a decision like this one and duel someone on a whim. While I proclaimed that I would duel my scum reads, I never intended to do so unless I felt like it was necessary to secure a lynch, which is not how I think the situation was playing out today, lest I would have done so myself. This action is quite anti-town.

However, it does make a lot of sense if Adam is mafia, because this has pro-mafia written all over it. Over-aggressive, OMGUS, and discussion haltering in nature. Also, while he's putting himself on the line, he's doing so IN LINE WITH THREAD SENTIMENT, which was that Keirathi was mafia, and Adam was the town. Just like in Nomination, mafia are wont to do things that seem risky and townie, so long as the real risk is low.

The only reason I honestly thought Adam was town before this was because his mafia reputation is super easy to catch and lurky as fuck. I don't know how to read him now, but I think he's a better lynch than Keir, simply for the act of dueling him right now. If he's town, it was a colossally stupid thing to do, and it doesn't make me any more convinced that Keir is mafia, nor has he done a whole lot of in-depth analysis to prove this point.

##Vote: Adam


he spends the lynch cycle promoting the idea that we might have two townies:

On February 27 2013 16:44 yamato77 wrote:
So let me break the game down here, because I have a decent idea of what's going on.

Based on the complete uselessness of both parties involved in this lynch, Adam and Keirathi, I think the likelihood of them both being town is high. Mafia in this position would be more concerned with the possibility of being lynched here, and do something about it. Neither of these players seems to be trying particularly hard to live, so by default they're probably just town. It's unfortunate that one, or perhaps both, might die in this situation, but if I had to pick one, I would pick Adam. Keirathi, I think, is the better town among the two, and could potentially be valuable to us later on if left alive. That said, at this point, it doesn't matter too much to me which one lives, because I don't think either of them is particularly useful this game.

THAT said, I don't want both to die. The mere thought of a double lynch is hilariously stupid in this situation, and I don't like the idea of not choosing either of them at all. Mafia have an unprecedented ability to hide in this situation, because they don't even have to FAKE a read on a player and justify it, they can just say they think they're both worth lynching and not vote, causing a double lynch.

So who is doing this? Iamperfection. I initially thought he was fairly townie, but his interest in this lynch is tremendously low. Like, I don't think he's given a read on either of these people that was longer than a sentence or deeper than "He's mafia because XX and I said so." In fact, that's basically how all of his reads have been so far, town or scum. But what is really damning, to me, is the fact that he's pushing this double lynch thing with no good logic to back it up. Acro, I can believe. Iamp is just kinda on that wagon and has pushed it without a clear motive like Acro's. If these two really are townies, like I think, then mafia is more likely to be disinterested in picking sides, and has clear motivation to want them both dead. It's the same heuristic I used to catch on to Snarfs in Nomination; mafia players don't care which townie dies, and won't spend much effort picking one. Only iamp isn't even picking one. Hilariously scummy.


How in the world did yamato go from wanting keir to hang (his own words) to this, which came during the voting phase:

On February 27 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
Keirathi's play, while indecisive, does not indicate a strong mafia mentality. His Adam read was not in line with thread sentiment, and he was only just in the process of fleshing it out. His time does seem legitimately limited, as Hapa pointed out, which significantly excuses the "scummiest" part of his play; the apparent lack of interest in the game.



?????????????????????

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 11:05 GMT
#1781
he also lied during an argument with adam. it's a pretty big lie and it's central to the case. see if you can find it.

i got weekend classes tomorrow, so i'll be gone for a big part of the day. i'll post a more detailed version of what I want to happen but I think you get the picture. yamato needs to duel
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 11:29 GMT
#1783
you agree/disagree about yamato?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 11:38 GMT
#1785
that tells me nothing about your opinion. elaborate on it yourself
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 11:45 GMT
#1787
actually his play has been pretty timid imo. he's really loud during the night cycle but he doesn't follow through with his threats, and he's been pretty lazy in regards to the lynches.. especially D2's.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 11:53 GMT
#1789
oats this is some real weak shit you're giving me....

does there need to be a finished case for you to be able to form your own opinion?

you started off with "town" because he's doing insane stuff although you agreed about the suspicious 180... and now you think he's "probably scum?" Why do you think he's probably scum? When did you think this? Etc...

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 17:46 GMT
#1822
CORAZON:

Are you still going to insta duel sylencia?

If yes, then I am bringing my own gun to the party. I also assure you that if you get your duel, you will have my vote. I don't even care about syl's alignment right now. Think of yesterday's lynch like getting a green check on syl... he could still be mafia but the evidence suggests otherwise. There is NO NEED to waste time dealing with sylencia right now.

No, we won't kill sylencia. Even if you flip green, we probably still won't consider killing sylencia.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 02 2013 19:17 GMT
#1827
On March 03 2013 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
Lol, have two townies duel and double lynch them

This is hilarious.

You guys kill my motivation to play.


yamato you aren't playing anyways. you rage and yell about your aw3s0mE scumreads and then when it's actually time to lynch you bugger off
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 03 2013 00:20 GMT
#1848
start on this page and read about 4-5 pages if you dont know why yamato is mafia
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 03 2013 02:43 GMT
#1855
how do y'all want to decide on a duel tomorrow? 2 ideas:

-duel party (i'm srs)

-plurality vote that cuts off x hrs before real deadline. winner (loser) picks who to duel.


my personal favorite is #2. There seems to be many more lynch candidates than we've previously had so I think voting to select the main candidate is a good idea. they get to duel who they wish. it really wouldn't be that hard to implement as long as votecounts get done.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 03 2013 02:46 GMT
#1856
unless there are no objections to a yamato lynch. I think it's time he own up to his early game claims. between yamato himself and whoever he chooses to duel there's gonna be 1 scum between them lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 03 2013 02:54 GMT
#1859
bring your dueling guns and spam f5 at deadline. see who gets lucky
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 03 2013 03:34 GMT
#1868
snarfs care to argue with me about yamato? do you disagree with what I said about him?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 03 2013 03:48 GMT
#1871
d3: lynch yamato.

if yamato flips scum then do whatever the hell you want. if yamato turns out to be town I think hapa and acro should be flipped next. there is a time limit to how long certain players should be alive in a game. if you still don't get a scum out of the yam/hapa/acro group then it's time to start looking at people like corazon/oats/snarfs

oh yeah... throw zarepath in there as well. you should first lynch yamato, then hapa/zare/acro in whichever order seems best

snarfs = not convinced he's scum. he had a very strange development of his read on me during D1, strange in a probably-not-mafia way

right now adam and aldeeran might be my biggest town reads lol. there are some players such as acro/oats whom I have townreads on, but those townreads are dependent on if we keep lynching scum.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 03 2013 04:15 GMT
#1875
gg, it was fun
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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