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zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 15:46 GMT

#2199

On March 06 2013 00:40 cDgCorazon wrote:

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Why are my reads on Syl scummy? I'd love to hear.

They came at a time when it was between Dieno and Syl, and we now know Dieno is scum. I shouldn't say "scummy," to be fair -- it's suspicious and worthy of scrutiny, let's say that.

But your 2-1 vote on Hapa does go a long way and I am focusing now on Oats.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 15:48 GMT

#2201

On March 06 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
My next post is obviously in response to Acro's very obvious meta case on Hapa which is the biggest scumtell about him.
So I voted for hapa cause I was convinced.

Also I realized that Yamato was probably trigger happy town like Adam(hopefully)

Yes, that's why you said that in justification for your switch. Oh, wait.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 15:50 GMT

#2203

On March 05 2013 01:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Am I scummy for defending Hapa?
It looks like the only reason that people have for calling hapa scum is that his activity has not been like his normal town games. Which isnt all that strong.

WHAT?

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 15:53 GMT

#2206

EBWOP: Neither of the reasons that you have provided for switching your vote were said by you, and one of them you outright didn't even believe.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 15:54 GMT

#2208

On March 06 2013 00:52 Acrofales wrote:

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I'll make it easier.

Zare

I'll filter him and give you a case when I get home, but I have fairly strong reasons for pretty much everybody else being town, and fairly strong reasons for Zapa being scum. Combine the two and the conclusion is pretty obvious.

I hope your fairly strong reasons for pretty much everybody else being town, because at least one of them is wrong.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 15:54 GMT

#2209

EBWOP: I hope you *re-examine* your fairly strong reasons

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 16:12 GMT

#2212

@Oats

Okay, I had thought there was a massive contradiction, but I checked back again and Acro did make a more full meta explanation right before your vote switch, and at a time when Yamato was leading votes 3 to 2. And the meta case is what you talked about the most after the switch. So it's less likely that you switched as a bus.

From my perspective, that leaves Alderan, Snarfs, Syl, and Adam. Syl or Adam can only be scum if scum dueled scum at some point this game, and that just seems awful. That leaves Alderan and Snarfs.

Snarfs has had a town read from a lot of people this game, despite having super low activity. I'll take some time to look at each of them individually and see if I find anything of note.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 18:02 GMT

#2214

On February 28 2013 07:00 Alderan wrote:

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There is no way Dieno is not in this upcoming duel. Sorry.

On February 28 2013 12:42 Alderan wrote:
Let's do it this way.

Is there anyone in the thread that thinks Dienosore does not deserve to be in the duel?

If not, why?

Alderan really went after Dieno for all of the first two days, and he DID say that he was going to be less active of late because of a girlfriend or something. I don't see an Alderan scum.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 18:23 GMT

#2215

Snarfs was calling suspicion onto Hapa before Day 3, and was quick to vote for him. As odd as the size of Snarfs' filter looks, I think he's legit.

From my perspective, that only leaves Syl and Adam, and both of them were dueled or DID duel. Syl makes much more sense, as the thread was calling for them to duel each other anyway and it would have been hard for a Dieno/Syl scumteam to avoid dueling each other under that environment.

I'll be checking into Syl some more this afternoon around work.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 05 2013 19:02 GMT

#2216

Syl didn't have a case or a reason on Hapa, but a super long listy post about general lynch strategy. At the end of it he says he'll vote Hapa in 90 minutes, which doesn't happen. This post comes in after there's 4 votes on Hapa anyway.

Day 2 he was up for lynch and did his biggest amount of scum hunting -- arguing as to why Dieno is scum.

Day 1 he almost wilfully ignored Keir's scumminess and voted to lynch Adam NOT because he looked like scum, but as a "detriment to town."

On February 26 2013 18:31 Sylencia wrote:
The sad thing is that I don't see Adam being scum, but just a detriment to town.

Regarding Keir, I feel like he's pretty much on the same area as I am, not much from him but the fact he's argued with Adam meant that he's been put up for a duel. I'm still null on Keir, but if this is the way Adam wants to play I don't think it's exactly going to help us out in the long run.

##Vote: Adam

Syl does a lot of work going after Adam in Duel 1. I don't think a scum Syl would have been able to get out of dueling scum Dieno on Duel 2, and so I don't think that can be a townie point in any way.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 06 2013 03:38 GMT

#2224

Because I know I'm not scum, and I think there's only one scum likely to be left, I would rather pick who I duel (if everyone wants me to duel). I don't want to spend the duel period arguing about how I'm not scum and yet getting lynched anyway because I don't particularly think the other person is the last scum.

I currently see Syl as scummier than Alderan but I will do more research on that tomorrow (Headed to bed).

I know a lot of people want me up for duel, but if literally nobody DOESN'T want me to duel, I ask that everyone waits to ##Duel until very close to the end of the day. If I"m going to be up for duel no matter what, I would rather be dueling my scum read than an aggressive townie, since there's no point for me arguing against my lynch when I don't believe the other person to be scum. And it will take me the 24 hours to become certain enough that I want the whole town to focus on that person and myself.

So if nobody objects, I would like the full 24 hours, and near the end I will ##Duel my scum read. If I don't duel, somebody else can initiate as a failsafe.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 06 2013 15:43 GMT

#2255

Acro, why do you feel that Syl can't be scum? He's made fewer reads than anyone else and has hardly posted at all.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 06 2013 15:45 GMT

#2260

Wow I missed a lot before I posted that about Syl.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 06 2013 15:47 GMT

#2261

I don't know that Dieno really could've dueled someone else other than Syl with the whole thread yelling at them to duel each other. But that's only relevant if Alderan's not scum.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 06 2013 15:48 GMT

#2262

Cora, who did you protect each and every night? You've only mentioned Adam for last night.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 06 2013 17:53 GMT

#2305

I would just like to state for the record that the three people who immediately claimed town at the beginning of this game (Keirathi, Snarfs, and Hapa) were ALL scum. Each and every one of them.

I was right to hate it.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 06 2013 18:16 GMT

#2313

How do I get in on this Skype chat? I may or may not be able to participate depending on things (like my participation in mafia, lol), but I"d like to if I can.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 07 2013 00:26 GMT

#2331

I probably won't be able to make the skype chat this evening. Have fun! Sorry everyone for going AFK for two and a half days; that unnecessarily confused everything.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 07 2013 13:41 GMT

#2337

Yeah, town did really well. This was my first non-newbie game and it was pretty awesome to see a bunch of non-newbies at work, and it was good to realize how much more I need to learn about finding scum.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 07 2013 14:38 GMT

#2341

Yeah, I didn't get the "wishywashy" list when everybody else was making their own lists of reads; apparently what made mine "wishywashy" was not separating it into TOWN, NULL, and SCUM. I didn't want to label anybody yet because I honestly wasn't that certain. But I thought it was similar to a lot of other players' posts that weren't criticized.

That other post though... yeah, it was bad, and it only was made worse by the fact that I immediately left for an extended period after that. I was literally just popping in and out and didn't think through my post, and I think that did a lot of potential damage to town.

And thanks, Marv, for the positive feedback.

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