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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 15:45 GMT
#1295
So let me get this straight Dandel, am I a scum player busing syl or do you have a town read on syl?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 15:54 GMT
#1298
On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Your arguments:
1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it.


lol in a game where someone knows my role and can confirm it because they created it, this is the argument you're using?

On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch")


Just correcting incorrect logic. You can come to your own conclusions about literacy.

On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions.


Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum.

On February 18 2013 00:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son.


In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this?


No response to this post? You're using the same reason for wanting to lynch me as I was to shoot kurumi.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 16:01 GMT
#1300
On February 18 2013 00:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
So let me get this straight Dandel, am I a scum player busing syl or do you have a town read on syl?

I will have to blindly assume syl is town for as long as I think you are scum. Doesn't look like a bus imo.

I'm still firmly null on him.


Fine you're null.
Vivax and Cheese haven't commented.
gonzaw is in favor of lynching sylencia
marv thinks sylencia is scum
stutters is suspcious of sylencia
kita wants to lynch sylencia
iamimp wants to lynch sylencia
jcarl supports a sylencia lynch
crossfire is willing to lynch sylencia

If seven players support a sylencia lynch and nobody thinks sylencia is town, why am I leading the lynch count right now?

Imagine if sylencia was town. The mafia team could simply mislynch him since so many people think he is scum and win the game. Why wouldn't the mafia just push an easy lynch if it were free for the taking?

Instead, sylencia is scum, a bunch of people say they are suspicious of him in case he flips at a later time, but instead vote elsewhere.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 16:17 GMT
#1304
On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Your arguments:
1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it.


lol in a game where someone knows my role and can confirm it because they created it, this is the argument you're using?

You said that tho. Don't blame me for the nonsense you say.


But you seem to have no interest in confirming what I say is truth.

You can simply ask: "sup role creator. Is kita correct?"

Instead you say: "lol no, lynch kita"

On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch")


Just correcting incorrect logic. You can come to your own conclusions about literacy.


Read this again and tell me the incorrect part in detail: "good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment"


Nevermind, we were saying the same thing there.

That is something that could happen, but in that scenario a scum kita would choose pass. By choosing shoot there is a chance that a scum kita gets lynched after the flip. By choosing pass, nothing happens and there is absolutely no risk.

On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions.


Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum.

Sure he did. quite early, too.
He didn't have to say more, since he wasn't planning on, you know, killing shit.
[/quote]

As I said before, its only obvious after being pointed out. No one else picked up on it besides the role creator, so I'm not alone.

On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 00:24 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son.


In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this?


No response to this post? You're using the same reason for wanting to lynch me as I was to shoot kurumi.

No. You choose to reduce it to such to make it sound trivial, but that doesn't make it true.


I chose to reduce it?

On February 16 2013 12:29 kitaman27 wrote:
I thought kurumi was focusing way too much on not wanting to risk his own life for town.


Does this get any clearer? What is there to reduce?

What happened to gonzaw? At lylo I suddenly become your number one scum read now that my lynch has gained traction? Does all of the reasons gonzaw was scum no longer apply?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 16:17 GMT
#1305
On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:
What happened to gonzaw? At lylo I suddenly become your number one scum read now that my lynch has gained traction? Does all of the reasons gonzaw was scum no longer apply?


Ninja'd
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 16:47 GMT
#1310
On February 18 2013 01:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
ah crap screwd up one of the quotes

here:
Show nested quote +

On February 18 2013 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 01:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions.


Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum.

Sure he did. quite early, too.
He didn't have to say more, since he wasn't planning on, you know, killing shit.


As I said before, its only obvious after being pointed out. No one else picked up on it besides the role creator, so I'm not alone.

If you had wanted to make an educated choice, you should have looked. Especially since you claim he was a scumread of yours. Not only did you never do anything about that, but it also suggests you did not go through his filter at all.
Which is no good sign.


I most certainly did look. It's obvious that I looked because as I explained in my reasoning of shooting kurumi, that he was scum based on his posts about syl. I just didn't make the connection, which is reasonable considering it was surrounded by nonsense such as Friendship Love, love of tea, loud people, fish in his cereal bowl, riddles, reverse dimensions, and white is white, black is black.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 16:55 GMT
#1313
Quick question for you soniv if you're around: if iamp was the best candidate in your eyes on day one and you weren't able to convince town about him being scum, why didn't you try to manipulate the lynch by asking town to unvote and revote so that both iamp and oats would be killed?

Sutters, have you come to any conclusions about the difference between syl in this game and hist past games as town? You said you would be commenting on it.

Does anyone else find it strange that the person that gonzaw claims to have poisoned hasn't claimed yet? Either the person that was poisoned doesn't want town to know about it or gonzaw hasn't actually used his ability and is lying to us.

Cheese, you said a couple times that you were 40 pages behind in the thread. Why is that? Could you do me a favor and comment on every player left in the game? k thx.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 16:57 GMT
#1315
On February 18 2013 01:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
So kita, waddaya say to lynching gonzo instead?

I sense my own weakness crawling into me.
tenacity, was not a virtue to the wished degree.


I want syl lynched first as he is my strongest read. It looks quite likely that they are both scum. If my vote is needed to hammer a gonzaw lynch, if people refuse to vote for syl, I will do so to avoid a mislynch, but I will continue to push syl until then.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 16:59 GMT
#1318
I do find it interesting that gonzaw and syl haven't voted for each other yet. As the two people likely to get lynched today, neither have chosen to vote for each other for survival, probably because they are scumbuddies.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 17:13 GMT
#1322
Huh save him? You're a medic too?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 17:21 GMT
#1326
On February 18 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
I am not saying iamp is a bad target, he is currently my guess for scum#4. But you basically ask us to lynch somebody else than you, and close our eyes to pray and hope you hit red.
I do not feel willing to do that.


Well we're basically at lynch syl/gonzaw the next two days right? We could lynch syl today, he flips red and iamp flips whatever. If gonzaw has poisoned a scum, we reevaluate guys like stutters or cheese since its extremely unlikely that he would poison a scumbuddy for cred. If gonzaw has poisoned a town, we lynch him as planned and have two left to go.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 17:25 GMT
#1328
On February 18 2013 02:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
I am not saying iamp is a bad target, he is currently my guess for scum#4. But you basically ask us to lynch somebody else than you, and close our eyes to pray and hope you hit red.
I do not feel willing to do that.


Well we're basically at lynch syl/gonzaw the next two days right? We could lynch syl today, he flips red and iamp flips whatever. If gonzaw has poisoned a scum, we reevaluate guys like stutters or cheese since its extremely unlikely that he would poison a scumbuddy for cred. If gonzaw has poisoned a town, we lynch him as planned and have two left to go.

Shortcuts are available but nobody listens.


I'm all ears?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 17:26 GMT
#1331
On February 18 2013 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
So your kill would happen with the flip.

That is...
...
Convenient.


I am not saying iamp is a bad target, he is currently my guess for scum#4. But you basically ask us to lynch somebody else than you, and close our eyes to pray and hope you hit red.
I do not feel willing to do that.


Well, regardless of whether we lynch gonzaw or not, iamperfection is poisoned. Gonzaw would have to give the antidote. Iamperfection is set to die from poison at the lynch (something I don't really oppose), so his life is in gonzaw's hands before the lynch, whether or not gonzaw dies at the same time.


Since you're around could you respond to my earlier question?

Also, Do you think gonzaw should give iamp the andidate?

Btw, now would be a great time to vote for syl
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 17:29 GMT
#1334
Lets hear your thoughts on syl gonzaw.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 17:30 GMT
#1336
On February 18 2013 01:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Quick question for you soniv if you're around: if iamp was the best candidate in your eyes on day one and you weren't able to convince town about him being scum, why didn't you try to manipulate the lynch by asking town to unvote and revote so that both iamp and oats would be killed?

Sutters, have you come to any conclusions about the difference between syl in this game and hist past games as town? You said you would be commenting on it.

Does anyone else find it strange that the person that gonzaw claims to have poisoned hasn't claimed yet? Either the person that was poisoned doesn't want town to know about it or gonzaw hasn't actually used his ability and is lying to us.

Cheese, you said a couple times that you were 40 pages behind in the thread. Why is that? Could you do me a favor and comment on every player left in the game? k thx.


I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#1342
On February 18 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 02:26 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 18 2013 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 18 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
So your kill would happen with the flip.

That is...
...
Convenient.


I am not saying iamp is a bad target, he is currently my guess for scum#4. But you basically ask us to lynch somebody else than you, and close our eyes to pray and hope you hit red.
I do not feel willing to do that.


Well, regardless of whether we lynch gonzaw or not, iamperfection is poisoned. Gonzaw would have to give the antidote. Iamperfection is set to die from poison at the lynch (something I don't really oppose), so his life is in gonzaw's hands before the lynch, whether or not gonzaw dies at the same time.


Since you're around could you respond to my earlier question?

Also, Do you think gonzaw should give iamp the andidate?

Btw, now would be a great time to vote for syl

You have mentioned Syl doing "more" as town, but you have overlooked his actions as scum too.

"more" is something he did as either alignment.

Meta was unconvincing.

I am unsure how you can be so sure of Syl.

This may as well be a big play by you and gonzaw as both scum. To lynch Syl and kill iamp (both town IN THAT CASE), is a win.
Trust is the issue.


The conclusion that I came to was that as town syl makes huge posts about why who he wants to lynch and why he thinks this is the case. He shows that he is actually capable of making an argument and wants his preferred candidate to get lynched. He was more active in his scum game than this one too, but the fact is that he has shown he is capable as town. This game syl has sheeped the day one lynch and omgus'd the day two lynch. He sounds confused multiple times and acts as if he is unable to come up with his own opinions.

It's probably lylo, if I don't push my prefered candidate we lose so I don't see why I should be any less confident on syl. If gonzaw is scum, he's going to poison iamp whether I'm scum or not (I'm not).
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 20:34 GMT
#1420
On February 18 2013 05:34 Vivax wrote:
Sylencia doesn't look like a good lynch to me.


What makes you think he's town?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 22:31 GMT
#1461
iamp, why not vote for syl like you were planning earlier? He hasn't done anything today so its not like he could have possibly convinced you that he is town. Lynch one scum at a time and today should be syl.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 23:36 GMT
#1479
On February 18 2013 08:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, you know what? Out of the people I trust in this game right now, kitaman is not one of them. I trust dandelion slightly more. If gonzaw flips town, it's on your head dandelion.

##sheep Dandelion
##unvote
##Lynch gonzaw


Wait so you're not voting for syl because you don't trust me, rather than thinking syl is town? This doesn't make sense. It's lylo you have to lynch the player that is most likely scum. You can't shift the blame to dandelion.

xfire, where are you? Please hurry up an vote syl before we end up with a no lynch.

Guys look at it this way:

kitaman27, Sutters695, gonzaw, Vivax

kitaman27, Sutters695, gonzaw, jcarlsoniv

At two different points in this cycle there were 4 votes on syl.

That means that the mafia team could have hammered him and ended the game unless 3/4 of the people voting him are mafia. I know I'm not mafia so that would force the scum team to be sutters, gonzaw, vivax, jcarloniv. Do we think its that likely the entire team was voting together?

If mafia mislynches a town syl it goes 5v4 after the poison, 3v4 after night hits. 4v4 worst case for mafia.

If the mafia team could have mislynched a town. THEY WIN.

They chose not to lynch syl.

This pretty much proves syl is mafia.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#1481
On February 18 2013 08:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Nah, same goes for gonzaw.


So you don't deny my logic essentially proved syl is mafia?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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