On February 14 2013 01:19 geript wrote:Case 1: Cora
Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
Lynching Glurio would go a long way in either proving or disproving my case towards WB. His town claim is even stupider than WB's as well. There's not much else to say.
##Vote: Glurio
Ok, the only thing that I can think that helps prove Cora's case versus Warbaby is that if Glurio flips scum here, that makes Warbaby scummy as reading him worse than Sylencia or Sevyrn. I find that fair enough. But Cora goes a step further and notes that it also goes a long way to disproving his case versus Warbaby--which to me can only mean that if Glurio flips town then it makes Warbaby look better. But after the flip,
Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 10:22 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm still incensed that Warbaby did not get lynched. If his mistakes had come out later in D1, I'm hoping he would have been lynched.
I've played a bunch of games of Mafia, and I still have yet to get a scum D1. I was hoping that the town would be up for doing something different, but I guess old habits never die. I'm not too happy I had to choose between two people who were basically playing the same game and not getting the support I needed behind my vote for my top scum read.
But his previous comment makes no sense in light of still being frustrated about Warbaby not being lynching.
Next,
Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Geript starts off by throwing a ridiculously silly vote out for Warbaby:
The time for being silly was in the pre-game. It's over now. Take your votes seriously.
Okay, that's all fine and good, but it makes no sense considering his actions at the end of the day... namely the point here.
Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:51 cDgCorazon wrote:
Glurio, I've outlined my reasons why I'm not voting for WB, but still think he's scum.
I would love to see WB get lynched today, but I know it's not going to happen. I have to choose between little things like your OMGUS vote and the fact that I'm not going to make the same vote as my top scumread...
Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:52 Mocsta wrote:
Now it is obvious you aren't reading the thread
cora and I, have been the proponents of warbaby all game.
TOWN LYNCH THIS SCUM MUDAFARKER
There's one vote on Warbaby; 3 votes at this point quite possibly could take it and, if not, there's still time to move to put another reasonable target over the top. So why not move his vote when he can get the person he wants to vote for and expressed such so voraciously. Remember,
Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 00:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm sticking to my guns. WB is going to be my vote. He's my scummiest read, and I'm trusting my gut feeling.
and
Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 10:22 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm not too happy I had to choose between two people who were basically playing the same game and not getting the support I needed behind my vote for my top scum read.
What's the real point in not staying consistent?
Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 14:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
I want to try something different this game. If we keep LAL-ing we're not going to find scum. We haven't found scum D1 in a long time, so perhaps we should take a look at how we evaluate D1 in order to have a better chance of lynching scum (which would put them at a huge disadvantage if we could get one). We're never going to get better at Mafia unless we analyze what we are doing wrong and trying to make an effort to fix it. We can't just keep sitting here and say "Ok, we're gonna LAL. Cross your fingers everyone". I've said this before, but we need to have faith in our ability to find scum. I'm putting my confidence in scum-hunting into this vote. I think you should too (with whoever you think is scum).
Additionally, he's been seemingly interested in lynching me; a point that WoS and Mocsta seemed in favor of. The only thing that I get from it is that he doesn't actually want to lynch any of his 'intended' targets now and intends to bring him up again later.
On top of that there are other issues:
Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 14:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Warbaby: "All these damn lurkers. I can't even pick which one to lynch"
Cora: "Warbaby you are so indecisive and won't stand on anything. no strong reads. That makes you scummy"
Warbaby: "Fine. I think Sylencia is especially scummy. He is playing like he did last game he was scum"
Cora: "OMG WB so retarded there are lots of other lurkers too. Picking one makes you scummy"
...
I mean, it isn't like your points are wrong, but you are hammering him pretty unnecessarily. Browbeating people doesn't make them play better, and honestly how can you say that Warbaby is legit scum? Yeah he started off really poorly ("I was MVP last game bow to me. I WAS MVP OMG GUYS NOW I"M PLAYING MY META") but still, he has figured out that that was the wrong approach and has (in my eyes) cleared up some of the other issues with his play. I can see him as a townie who just can't find anything substantial to hang a case on. Its a realistic possibility. YES HE COULD BE SCUM TOO but it isn't like he has proved it anywhere that I've seen.
I can point out numerous things to argue that Cora's actions haven't been conducive towards creating a positive town atmosphere, but I think this is the most telling for two reasons. One, it isn't me pointing any of this out in this post. Second and more importantly, I'm going to repeat the key quote:
Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 14:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
and honestly how can you say that Warbaby is legit scum?
This sums up the entire reason Cora's been on this kick. At least I can understand where's he's coming from on his posts toward me, but it's obvious that even Cora doesn't think his case versus Warbaby is that good. He's willing to pull off of Warbaby pre-deadline, then revotes him, then shifts off. He has the chance to form a 3 vote majority, but doesn't. Why? Cora doesn't think he's made his case. He doesn't think that his case against Warbaby is defensible. He doesn't want to take the credit/blame for if/when Warbaby flips town.
One last quote:
Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 14:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm saying you are pressuring him for something, so when he tries to fix that by doing the opposite you pressure him for that thing instead. It smacks of last game really. I'm not saying he isn't scummy (again, much like last game).
I legitimately am OK with day-1 mislynches. They generate lots of information and are a tool town can use to cull the useless members. Addition by subtraction and all that. Sure, I'd *love* to hit scum day 1 but sometimes I feel like removing active voices from the game just makes it easier for scum to glide like last game where Slay/Glurio posted essentially nothing and got away freely while cases were thrown at everybody who dared open their mouth and actually post a semi-intelligent thought. The fact that our blue roles bailed us out last game doesn't mean that the town atmosphere wasn't very scum-favoured for quite a while. I'm not sure the risk of trying to hit scum by lynching contributors is worth it if the downside is basically silencing town if we are wrong. Establishing the expectation that posting content on a decently regular basis is required to avoid getting lynched goes a long way towards making scum slip.
I mean, you played scum, you know how attractive it must be to just glide if town is actively trying to silence all the loud voices...
Sn0_man and Mocsta: Please contrast Cora's play towards the end of 36 with his play now. Please evaluate the case.
Mandalor: Please evaluate the case.
EPT
