Nomination Mafia

VE: Plan is still in action

I am going to be open and transparent in my play. I will be as forthcoming as I can with my scumreads and thoughts at any point in the game. I expect that my actions and motives will speak louder than my words.

A method that I raised to reduce the WIFOM potential of the nomination mechanic, is to overall increase town quality of play to thus,

I dont think this game is as simple as "lynch the scummiest person".

If you want me to expound on what constitutes solid town play. It is to avoid the copying your play.

Oats, this game is obviously too much of a step up in difficulty for your current forum-mafia skill level.
Just quit and let someone that knows how to play replace you.

On February 06 2013 13:40 Mocsta wrote:

Why do you think there is high potential for the nomination candidates to be all town?

In this setup we're uniquely NOT able to clear out lurkers from the lynch pool (because there are no blues).

I am going to be open and transparent in my play. I will be as forthcoming as I can with my scumreads and thoughts at any point in the game. I expect that my actions and motives will speak louder than my words.

On February 06 2013 16:53 Mocsta wrote:

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My thoughts using your words.

On February 06 2013 17:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is that a scumtell? Can't Mocsta be town and think you're serious? Or couldn't he be town and, as you say, misinterpret what you're saying to gauge your reaction? Why does he have to be scum based on that?

Hi.

@ Mocsta

What is your read on Oats right now ?

On February 06 2013 16:53 Mocsta wrote:

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My thoughts using your words.

My thoughts using your words.

I found your posts and pointed out something you would have said to me; if i had made the joke to VE.

Right, because meta in a newbie matters?

That game I called you out for killing atmosphere by being too aggressive, and then went into flame wars.

This game, I am calling you out for thinking pig-headed and simple minded about this game. I am actually asking you to realise that it is imperitive that we open our eyes to the challenge that this game presents.

On February 06 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote:
You say I am not helping town? All you have done is try to fling shit at the only active participant thus far.
Great help your doing.

On February 06 2013 13:39 Mocsta wrote:
You are trying to shit all over them, without providing additional avenues for discourse. There is nothing solid in your play so far.

I still think your treating this game as if its a newbie

On February 06 2013 20:36 Mocsta wrote:

Right, because meta in a newbie matters?

(not important)
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You say I am not helping town? All you have done is try to fling shit at the only active participant thus far.

For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion.

thinking pig-headed and simple minded about this game.

I AM NOT SETUP SPECULATING. The fuckn setup is 9 town, 4 mafia.

I kept saying in the Obs QT when you do it, its scummy as fuck.

On February 06 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote:
You say I am not helping town? All you have done is try to fling shit at the only active participant thus far.

On February 06 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
You realise that your post structure is mimicking your play from Mafia LIX right? (You were scum)

For me. You are basically a vivax. I.e or going on my auto ignore list.

whoever in this game is scum have no reason to join the thread

On January 03 2013 09:01 marvellosity wrote:


because if you think that killing wbg-town is a "win" situation, then you must be scum. So you must be trolling. So stop it.

Anyway, I could explain a little more why Palmar could be scum. Palmar and I both play scum or town in a certain kind of way. When we're town we're usually active and trying to figure things out, and it's obvious we're interested. Or maybe Palmar looks totally uninterested, and that's usually when he's town as well.

It's when Palmar (and me) *pretend* to be interested that we're more likely to be scum. There's no need to pretend as town and generally neither of us do. Everything Palmar posted so far took him absolutely no effort and he just made a bunch of posts in the thread to look like he's here and he cares and shit, although actually there's no evidence that this is the case.

All of you are going "omg Palmar posting a lot, probably town", but if it's taken him a combined total of 5 minutes to make all his posts then this doesn't actually ring true. It's just a way of establishing some credit early because everyone thinks Palmar is just uninterested as scum.

Anyway, Palmar could yet have just been coming into the thread having some "fun" or whatever, so we'll see what effort he wants to put into the game tomorrow.

How do you even know he's town? Everybody, regardless of role, just wants to not get lynched. He hops on the most popular bandwagon in order to not get lynched. Lynching a town Palmar is just a bi-product if he's scum.

my questions are interesting

On February 08 2013 03:31 prplhz wrote:
want to lynch jaybrundage as I have already said a bunch of times but that's not a strong scum read (just the best I have) and it's not actually a lot that nobody else likes it.

On February 08 2013 04:05 prplhz wrote:

I still want to lynch jaybrundage.

On February 08 2013 05:14 prplhz wrote:
I read your read on jaybrundage but I'm not convinced. I still think he's a better lynch than JieXian.

On February 08 2013 08:51 prplhz wrote:
Might fall asleep so:

##Vote VisceraEyes

Im saying the other guys were against discussing it

I'm leaning Palmar because I don't think he'll be able to conjure up any interest in the game now that we're several days in and he has hardly even read it and I don't want him to hang out and be an annoyance for the rest of the game. I don't know what he'll flip and I'm not interested, we'll find out soon enough. At least the other two guys appear still to be interested in this game.

On February 11 2013 09:33 prplhz wrote:
I am really sure that yamato77 is town. The reason for that is his early town analysis on me. Scum don't want players everybody else think is town because they can't get rid of them since they don't have any night kills. You might think that it's a bad analysis or whatever, but it absolutely isn't, it's the best analysis I've read in this game so far. I don't think scum would make a case like that.

Hell this post is just calling me out for something dumb. And then saying how much you love scum VE. VE has to bus one of his teammates at this point. I bet out of his three scum reads one might be scum. He's doing it so it isn't way to obvious who his scum partners are when he dies.

If you want to say im scum you can go look at my games when im town and i legit straight up sheep palmar.

Its my town meta bro.

So Jay, I am not sure what you mean by 'I can see the bussing going on already'
Care to elaborate with examples?

On February 13 2013 08:08 phagga wrote:


I can't say, the VE lynch feels wrong. Snarfs has gone for too long and his actions don't make sense from a townie point of view. VE seems sincere in his last posts after my case (not the ones he's capslocking), but his scum play can be pretty good too I think?

Fuck, I don't know what I should do.

I need a break. be back in 10.

On February 13 2013 08:03 slOosh wrote:

Yes, because town is in such an awesome position that we are choosing between two scum candidates, and scum aren't doing anything about it.

By virtue of phagga and prplhz,
##Vote: Snarfs

Did you have a strong town read on CC before the Snarfs lynch?

READ MY POSTS WHERE I NAME CC AND OATS AS MAFIA

So I instead choose to focus on someone like phagga, on whom no one has commented on.

Let's be clear with our language. I never called Phagga scum. Just because I'm interested in a person doesn't mean I think they are scum.

Additionally, be clear with your language. I don't mind you saying "I want to see more", but don't say "start contributing" as if I haven't done anything. Cause that's total b.s.

I have almost no doubt I'll be up for nomination tomorrow so I'm going to sit on my reads until dawn.
Because I'm definite that scum will always put 3 townies up - they won't bother risking putting one of their own into the group unless it is certain that someone else will get lynched. And right now, it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.

I assume I'll get put up because I tend to get shot N1 and I guess it's just ingrained into me that scum want me gone soon and fast.

If you familiarize yourself with his meta (nicely displayed in his profile and devoid of any scum games), it becomes clearer that he is new scum whose play pales to his town play.

- in this game phagga writes timidly, fluffily and without conclusions
- town phagga is capable of decent analysis, or at least confidence and clarity in his posts

On February 14 2013 19:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think slOosh is scum because


He says, I am so helpful to town guys. This rubs me as scummy because town doesnt care about how well they are playing, just care about finding and lynching scum.



He is really concerned about people misinterpreting his words, in other words, It means that he wants to look really townie.
Only scum care about looking townie.


They way he is so sure that he will be picked d2 as one of the nomination candidates is really odd. Especially since he justifies it as 'I always die n1, so scum want me gone soon and fast' when if he plays good enough to get shot n1, he is never gonna get lynch d2, no matter who is up with him.

And a quick summary which basically states the description of a town and a scum. No links where phagga is doing the thing he says. This at best is lazy, and at worst is slOosh trying to mislead us with a post that looks good with no substance.

slOosh says, 'Shut up, I have described the situation so I can explain why I have been chosen tomorrow. Now, dont talk so scum has an advantage due to the lack of information town has.'

He posts the phagga case and just keeps asking people to read and opinions. This is to see if he should push the phagga lynch tomorrow.

He says this, but never fully explains why VE is scum, just snipes at him and basically asks Palmar to make his case for him.

Random defense of Jay for basically slight pressure. Scum want to defend someone so that they can buddy them subtly by 'helping' them.

Really weird post where he says, 'I am bad and you guys are totally better at the game as me' Town wouldnt want to say that because no one will take his reads seriously anymore. Scum would because they seem apologetic and cooperative.
So much buddying of CC here.

Keeps going with the self-depreciating attitude, and tries to buddy me too.


Again, 2 really cooperative and 'helpful' posts. And again self-depreciating

At this point, I would assume that slOosh has really strong reads.

And a totally lazy case which he does NOT back up at all with anything, and in fact
Pushes phagga as an association case.
I saw scum doing this too.

On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:

Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows.


I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least.

Suddenly, when snarfs is under heavy pressure, jay sees it fitting to vote yamato, who he made a big case on, and then unvote yamato for VE, whom he never made a case on.

VE you have my full attention to whatever you want my thoughts on. My activity drops on weekends but with time I have we can work on really getting fleshed out reads between us and CC for the future lynches, cause at least 2 can stick around till endgame (due to nomination system).

Regarding today's lynch:
I've got like 6 hours until lynch right? I'm going to read some filters and decide who I like most for lynch. Right now it seems like prplhz and jayb are the candidates being discussed the most, so that's where I'm starting.

Right now it seems like prplhz and jayb are the candidates being discussed the most, so that's where I'm starting.

On February 08 2013 01:29 phagga wrote:

tl;dr you think this is his town meta, right?

What do you think is scummy about prplhz?

Can you reference the two games you are talking about?

On February 08 2013 02:34 phagga wrote:
At everyone voting Palmar so far, go have a look at Death note Mafia (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625). Palmar was trolly/lurkish D1 and was misslynched D1 with the exact same arguments as this game. I know He could be scum, but I feel that lynch is much more volatile than JX, of who I feel sure he will flip scum.

On February 11 2013 06:43 phagga wrote:


What is the purpose of this post, Yamato? Let me answer that for you: You want to distance yourself from the guy that is being perceived as scum by several townie players. But why do you have to do that? Because you're scum. If you were town, you wouldn't care enough about the fact that you softdefended me D1 to post about it.



I asked you for your reads, and this is your response? I can see no reason why you should not give your reads out now, since you are allegedly finished analysing them and have "become more confident in them". That is unless you are scum.

Also, I asked you why you think I'm scum, would you please answer that?

Who are your scum reads and why?

On February 15 2013 18:52 phagga wrote:
Guys, I got an even better idea,
Let's actually read Palmars post before we blindly sheep him :D

1) You are using the play of a player who trolled with a RnG lynch, then afked after being worthless, when his scum meta is very active and invovled (Djo that is), as a scumread on me