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Sup dudes,
Got replace in super quickly I see. Had most of the thread read earlier this morning in the library... had a notepad of reads going on but forgot to save it. I'll do a cliffnotes version.
Phagga, snarfs, and Djo were dem scummers in my book.
Snarfs
Been playing super neutral so far and non confrontational.
Example:
On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote:
I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit.
If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information.
On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta I'm intrigued by your posts regarding the nomination phase. However I'm going to suggest/request that you save it for AFTER the dawn phase of D2 so that scum aren't given instructions on how you're going to view nominees they put up. It's going to be clear enough after D2 because we're going to have to lynch into their choices - but if we can go all of D1 without speculating on who and why scum will send up D2 I think that's going to be a net gain for town. I disagree. On February 06 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. Having said that, I am going to hold off further strategy talk due to: fuck all people online. Need some others to contribute. @SnarfWhat do you make of VE wanting to bury all nomination mechanic talk till the nominations are released? I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing.
Another null tell.
On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Snarfs,
Do you have any conclusions about the 'discussion' between me and Mocsta relating to our alignments/ Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter.
The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap.
Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k?
Phagga
My notes for Phagga were a bunch of sarcastic comments and "ahmigawd stawp defending urself". He's ultra defensive yo.
On February 06 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
Fair enough, but are u implying that you thought his attitude was conducive to an open environment.
Oats has a (recent) tendency to post one liners asking to expound points already clarified. The outcome. Shit questions get shit answers.
Maybe u thought I over stepped the line in dissing him. But he was going out of his way to cherry pick sentences in a paragraph. For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion. When did he promote an alternative?
If you want to judge me as null fine. But don't imply he is a saint in this but referencing only me. I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 17:13 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 17:05 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later. I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread. I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available. Phagga. Marv in Mafia LIX proved you can scum hunt day. As I keep saying I thought the whole point of this game setup was to mitigate lurking. Why are we talking about lurking again, and there prioritization over scum reads? If u want to counter and gibe the kitamen spiel again. Let's say your RNG plan found traction. Are you suggesting if you were the rolled lynch candidate that you would accept your fate without putting up a fight? First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1. How the D1 lynch should go down IMO: - If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him - If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him. Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers.
"OMG, I never wanted to suggest anti-town things! I most certainly am not anti-town!" (the NEVER EVER made me lol) A lot of his posts are just summing up stuff that we should be doing D1 instead of actually doing it. He also calls out Palmar, who seems to be an easy target right now. Kind of like when people want to lynch a town Mr. Z, they're always scum >.>
On February 07 2013 01:04 phagga wrote:
Djo: I'm not gonna lynch a random target. I don't know what to do with Oats currently, he is either scum trying to shit up the thread to disrupt town, or stubborn, but I'm sure not just gonnay vote for him because you claim he came up on your RNG.
Also, prplhz not scum, and Palmar better gets some more content in here.
^ I'd also like to see some justification for that plx.
Djodref
Basically my gut is saying he's scummy. I've never seen Djo suggest a random lynch. He is, however, always speculating about like setup (like in witchcraft, when he was the witch hunter). He is usually an advocate of "Yo, lynch this scummy guy he is scum right here. Don't lynch that lurker / random guy lynch this SCUM YO!" I have no idea why he's being so adamant about it either. Seems like lynchbait right now though. Oh, you want to lynch randomly? DIEDIESCUM kind of lynchbait. It's certainly a bold play if he's red.
As for the Oats / Mocsta thing... Oats seems super town to me. I can't even explain it. I picked him out of a lineup day 1 when he was scum, he's just rubbing me kinda townie so far. Mocsta, idk, most of these day 1 Hapa-DP-esque things usually ends up in both being town. It would be incredibly foolish to lynch him day 1 methinks anyway.
All in all, Snarfs is scummy. Reminds me of Mr. Cheesecake scum in my first newbie being all blendy and neutral and such.
##Vote: Snarfs
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Off to work fellas, I'll try to post at my lunch break.
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Got a minute to post on break.
Yamato, why does Mocsta have a good chance of being lynched? I didn't come to the same conclusion.
Phagga, in those posts you were being unecessarily defensive, at least the tone seemed to be a harsh backlash. I understand why you made the response to Mocsta, my point was that you come off as like "no way im anti-town at all how could you think that!" its not a point we can really debate.
Ill read your post on yamato after work.
i want to hear from Djo, because if he keeps up the random lynch shenannies I'm going to be a sad panda.
Brb later, also VE waffles are delicious.
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A wild Cheesecake has appeared!
Back from work y'all. I think a Djo lynch isn't good right yet. The lolrandomlynch is suicide, and such an easy (mis?)lynch target for scum to consider. Smileydjo be smileydjo. Albeit his suggestion is different from some earlier games I've had with him, idk what to make of it.
On February 07 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont care if Palmer is town actually at this point, he hasnt posted enough for ANYONE to get a read on him
Vets cannot let their reputation carry the game for them, especially since there are no nightkills in this game so its not like he is gonna die day 1 if he is really good.
This is a pure LURKER lynch.
Mr CC has contributed more than him and he replaced like 12+ hours later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmer.
Interesting, but I want to see him reveal his grand master schematic to dismantle the scum armada. It's sure to be all Palmarified and stuff.
Reading the rest of these juicy postin's up now.
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If we were really going to lynch someone lurky, I'd rather go with JX over Palmar.
Only thing he's done was an lolcase on Mocsta.
On February 07 2013 01:11 JieXian wrote:Mocsha soooo scummy!!!Clear evidence of lying and trolling up the thread since his first post: Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote:
Im pretty excited for the even day dynamics.
The risk/reward of putting 3 town for nomination, reminds me of the whole bodyguard speculation.
It can even go as wild as putting in 3 scum; to bus one and clear the other 2.
Either way, wont talk about this anymore till game starts. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 11:02 Mocsta wrote:
Hey all
the usual stuff
Im +8 GMT
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nominating myself for mayor
o.0 Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 11:04 Mocsta wrote:ooo.. nominations referred to Even Days. *sigh* VE: Plan is still in action  Pretends to not know about the game when he already did speculate about the nomination mechanic... wtf is this?
That coupled with oats' meta read doesn't make it look too good for you mochsta
So like 2 lines of "analysis" and some quotes. In addition, it's on the only person ('sides Oats) with a considerable number of posts to go on. Seems convenient like "Hey I need some kinda case out here, pew pew get this guy" It's neither convincing nor substantial. I hate the term "appearing to be contributing" but it seems like he's certainly "feigning doing stuff" Reminds me of dat Oats case in our newbie where he did the same thing as scum and I shat all over him for it.
@Snarfs
What you think of Mr. Djodref here and all of his shenannies?
Trying to mull this Yamato stuff over in my head.
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Djo,
Seriously what were you thinking going for a random lynch? Was it your intention to actually random lynch some guy, generate discussion, draw out scum, yadda yadda? It irks me because I've never seen you (or anyone) have the balls to suggest doing it.
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On February 07 2013 13:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Djo,
Seriously what were you thinking going for a random lynch? Was it your intention to actually random lynch some guy, generate discussion, draw out scum, yadda yadda? It irks me because I've never seen you (or anyone) have the balls to suggest doing it. @ CheeseDid you see the statistic gathered by kitaman (clicky) regarding the average D1 scum lynch on TL ? Here is the interesting part ! Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
*snip*
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time.
44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game.
There have been 931 distinct mafia players.
And finally my favorite stat...
VisceraEyes has survived until endgame twice out of 36 games (5.56%). The highest survival percentage is 60%.
Feel free to share any suggestions for improvements that you may have. Hope you all enjoy! In this game, random lynching would have around 31% chance to hit mafia on day 1 ! From my point ow view, it is a good as one chance over three. It's far better than our expected chance to lynch mafia. That's why I thought that his game was good to experiment with random lynching. It turns out that I had bad luck with my randomization with Oats. The goal was to generate discussion, but it also kinda failed >.< Anyway, what do you think on Mocsta ?
I dont give a shit about percentages. If we lynch anyone, no matter if it's random or not, it's still a 31% chance. The only difference is (if unsuccessful) we kill a scummy-looking town instead of some random dude by lottery. Damn right it failed, Djo.
Also:
On February 07 2013 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Either Yamato is scum or bad. I think bad is more likely Sorry yamato 
That's always the two options :/
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lol jay i barely read dessert, just did the sexy flavor.
Oh Yamato and that list post. Palmar should be null imo
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On February 07 2013 13:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol jay i barely read dessert, just did the sexy flavor.
Oh Yamato and that list post. Palmar should be null imo Do you disagree with any of my reads?
Personally idk about Sloosh or prplhz being in the townie section. You seems to give town cred fairly easily. I don't even think I've earned a townie stamp as of yet. What would you consider if one of your 3 scummer reads were to flip town? One of JX and palmar is likely town. two mega lurker scum is unlikely.
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Jay, atm Snarfs looking like he wants me to lynch him or something. Altough i think he has the propensiy to possibly be towntown, slighty, because an unusual stance. JX is a decent scumread because hes literally done nothing but lol over mocsta. Oats best town read because my gut said so.
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Whelp this thread dun got bloated up overnight. Reading up.
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@VE
Please hurry with your "to-do" list on me. This game has been incredibly odd for me, because I'm used to people being like "omg ur scum" and slap me with a case. Being pressured helps me get reads on my accuser, so please do point out anything you find troubling with my play. I'll say to you what I said to Yamato in British: c'mon bro, tunnel me.
I see Phagga just randomly wants to lynch JX now for the same restated reasons, seems legit. Interesting stance on prphlz, however, seems like you put a lot more into that read than JX's (or did you simply just want to see more from prphlz?)
Why the hell is nobody lynching snarfs right now? Get off of Palmar at least if anyone still wants to lynch him D1.
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On February 08 2013 01:08 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:40 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 14:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,
Tell me more about yourself,
How many games have you played, which alignment do you like to play, are you scum or town? I played a few games last year, maybe 5 or 6? Mafia'a pretty much all you'll find if you search my post history, and you'll be able to tell quite quickly from those that I hate playing scum.
Which makes me a happy camper this game  . Now tell me what you know of VE from past experience and what you think of his disappearing act. happy camper????
C'mon JX. Even as scummy as snarfs is, that's a null tell =/ and kind of a cheap shot
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On February 07 2013 08:44 Snarfs wrote:
All right, so here are my thoughts:
1) On VE:
My vote on VE was initially because of exactly what I said - of the three people that came into the conversation, he was the quickest to abandon it when things got heated. Now, he claims that he was commuting and I can't exactly dispute that.
But since then, I've had no reason to move my vote off of him. Look at the way he's saying things. Who is he even pressuring? Read through his filter and try to figure out who he's pushing. Palmar!? We're not lynching Palmar day 1, why waste time? As for the other people VE is "pressuring", there's no vindication. Phagga? Nope. yamato? Maybe, I can't really tell. When VE is town, he pushes people. He pushes them hard to determine their alignment and it's obvious he's pushing people. I think this is scum VE.
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Snarfs, this is your ONLY read in the game. You keep saying you're going to probe into VE more but I fail to see it. You cite his lack of vindication but that seems to be a hypocritical statement. You're extremely nonconfrontational and only want to focus on one person in this game. IE DoYouHas in witchcraft. You also kinda lurky breh. Snarfs lets go. gimme yo case on VE.
Yamato,
I'm generally not a fan of meta reads on people I haven't played with, and I believe you already know that... sorry 
Prplhz,
We haven't talked at all this game. What exactly is your stance on Jay right now? Your filter is kinda texty and disorganized... I'm not finding much scummy about Mr. Jay right now other than the jumping on the ez djo bandwagon. (Djo is like Thrawn: Hey guys, I'm miller [Hero mini mafia?])
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JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
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On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth?
I heard somewhere that he is this amazing entity that has the propensity to catch scum lurking within the shadows. Let's say JX and Palmar are both town. Both are lurky / useless / kind of the same thing right meow. Who would you rather lose? JX. If Palmar is still being useless as all hell we can deal with him later. But if he's town It would be a huge detriment to lose him.
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Also Yamato, I feel the need to say this. You are the towniest I've ever seen you in any game I've played with you. And that disturbs me lol. Your town play was always confirmation biased "kill cheesecake RAWR RAWR". Either your playing a great scumgame here or you've actually leveled your head.
On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him?
As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight).
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On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please?
It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me.
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On February 08 2013 01:41 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth? I heard somewhere that he is this amazing entity that has the propensity to catch scum lurking within the shadows. Let's say JX and Palmar are both town. Both are lurky / useless / kind of the same thing right meow. Who would you rather lose? JX. If Palmar is still being useless as all hell we can deal with him later. But if he's town It would be a huge detriment to lose him. Agreed. but this game doesnt have night kill and with nomination mechanic, we never have to vote him.to me thats better than having bodyguards as mayor; he coudl be the most pro-town motherfucker ever and not have to worry about being lynch. Why isnt he doing this?
Holy crap that is a good point Mocsta. In a normal game, mafia kill the most townie player. In this game type, we have to kill the scummiest player available within the pool Mafia gives us. Idk why he's not showing us his ultra mega super gosu townie scumhunter side at this point... it would actually be beneficial.
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On February 08 2013 01:45 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Also Yamato, I feel the need to say this. You are the towniest I've ever seen you in any game I've played with you. And that disturbs me lol. Your town play was always confirmation biased "kill cheesecake RAWR RAWR". Either your playing a great scumgame here or you've actually leveled your head. On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him? As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight). "Little justification" says the guy with a gut read on oats... Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
JX, your scumread on Mocsta was pretty fail. Yes I have a gut townread, but it's not the only thing I'm doing today. All I've seen from you is Mocsta scum gogo 2 lines kill this guy.
And then trying to fling shit at djo/oats/snarfs to see where it will stick. You are incredibly wish-washy to say the least.
Still waiting for snarfs case to decide if he's worthy to live today.
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