Nomination Mafia

On February 05 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote:
Im pretty excited for the even day dynamics.

The risk/reward of putting 3 town for nomination, reminds me of the whole bodyguard speculation.

It can even go as wild as putting in 3 scum; to bus one and clear the other 2.

Either way, wont talk about this anymore till game starts.

On February 06 2013 11:02 Mocsta wrote:
Hey all

the usual stuff

Im +8 GMT

&

nominating myself for mayor

o.0

On February 06 2013 11:04 Mocsta wrote:
ooo.. nominations referred to Even Days.

*sigh*

VE: Plan is still in action

On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta, idk, most of these day 1 Hapa-DP-esque things usually ends up in both being town.

On February 07 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote:
Something rubs me the wrong way about jaybrundage and his case on Djodref. No one else really reacted strongly to Djodref's silly random vote because everybody knew what it was: some sort of scheme to draw out scum. Pretty rediculous but at least he doing something. jaybrundage also acknowledges this himself here but he still uses it as a reason to vote Djodref. This gives him a place to put his vote and even though he's since gradually recanted this (like here), he hasn't unvoted. It seems like he is trying to keep the Djodref door open while not pushing it and not wanting to actually push anything else.

It doesn't seem like a townie thinking "fuck yea, i nailed this cracker and it's so obvious! now i just have to get everybody else to listen to me!", more like "cool, i can just put my vote on him and then chill".

How do you guys feel about jaybrundage?

On February 08 2013 00:51 yamato77 wrote:

I'm sorry you rolled mafia two games in a row, JX. Kinda kills your will to play, huh?

On February 07 2013 11:08 Djodref wrote:
Guys, I'm waking up ^^

First of all, I want to say that my random lynch was really random. I had decided to use the number of posts of the next person posting after me to derive a number giving me my random lynch. There was no way for me to control who was going to post after me and the number indicated Oats. I thought it could be an interesting choice for a random lynch because he was active and I hoped to have some controversy around this lynch but it turned out to be a bad pick.
Why ? Because Oats looks town enough so I cannot bait any scum on my random lynch (that was actually my purpose). The major point I have for him is this post.



Seriously, if Oats was scum, he could very easily attack me and throwing dirt at me for this random lynch and not answering his questions, also I think he could feel insecure because of he random lynch possibility but I find that this post shows that he is very carefree about this issue and I don't see scum Oats writing this post at all in this situation.

I decided to keep going with my idea and pretended to have reasons to lynch Oats and went to bed without doing anything more. I knew I was going to get some pressure for it and I was curious to see who was going to attack me and how. I'm ready to play for real now.

On February 08 2013 01:05 phagga wrote:


It's your fault if you are not active, don't try to shift the blame on town.

Who is your top scum read and why?

On February 06 2013 14:40 Snarfs wrote:

I played a few games last year, maybe 5 or 6? Mafia'a pretty much all you'll find if you search my post history, and you'll be able to tell quite quickly from those that I hate playing scum.

Which makes me a happy camper this game .

Now tell me what you know of VE from past experience and what you think of his disappearing act.

On February 08 2013 01:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


C'mon JX. Even as scummy as snarfs is, that's a null tell =/ and kind of a cheap shot

On February 08 2013 01:17 yamato77 wrote:

Who is scum right now JX. Today is almost over and you've done nothing but make a case on Mocsta today, and now you're not even pushing that read.

If you're town you have zero reason to play this way right now.

On February 06 2013 10:55 BioSC wrote:


Welcome to Nomination Mafia! You have 48 hours to decide who must die. Good Luck!

On February 08 2013 01:27 phagga wrote:
No, you don't have 11 hour. In about 5 hours I will go to bed and then my vote stays where it is. Same for other european players.

Also, you think it's good town play to wait for the very last second to show you are town?

On December 23 2012 04:43 JieXian wrote:


you do realise that every day, especially around ~9-11Pm gmt+8 I post in huge waves and leave right after that right?

On December 23 2012 04:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, but it's hard to get a read on you when your posting is limited by that timeframe. I'm also generally busy during that time.

On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,

Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.

On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.

CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him?

On February 08 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also Yamato, I feel the need to say this. You are the towniest I've ever seen you in any game I've played with you. And that disturbs me lol. Your town play was always confirmation biased "kill cheesecake RAWR RAWR". Either your playing a great scumgame here or you've actually leveled your head.



As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight).

On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,

Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.

On February 08 2013 01:48 yamato77 wrote:

What is he doing with his posts right now? Defending himself. His read on Oats smells of total bullshit. Do you think Oats is mafia? I know JX is viewed as bad town, but come on. This is a weak attempt to get the lynch off him and the sad thing is that it's working.

On February 08 2013 01:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


JX, your scumread on Mocsta was pretty fail. Yes I have a gut townread, but it's not the only thing I'm doing today. All I've seen from you is Mocsta scum gogo 2 lines kill this guy.

And then trying to fling shit at djo/oats/snarfs to see where it will stick. You are incredibly wish-washy to say the least.

Still waiting for snarfs case to decide if he's worthy to live today.

On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389

in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far.

On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:

Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down.
In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him.

On February 08 2013 01:59 yamato77 wrote:

The problem is that you have a case on Oats but a vote on Palmar right when other people express interest in him.

You scum, bro.

On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:


How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game"

CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive"

Fail. Try again please.

On February 08 2013 01:59 yamato77 wrote:

The problem is that you have a case on Oats but a vote on Palmar right when other people express interest in him.

You scum, bro.

On February 08 2013 02:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


This is pretty spammy and pointless, stop it. We both have reasons for thinking Oats is town. Not backing down doesn't imply aggressiveness imo, just conviction. One can be tame with conviction.

Alright, it's a matter of opinion either way via meta. What you think of snarfs JX?

On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian

You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer.

On February 08 2013 02:23 Mocsta wrote:
Guys, after doing that votecount, we have no idea what the USA shift is going to lean towards as they become active in the next couple hours. There is no firm candidate for lynch.

I think we HAVE to consolidate. From what I can see the choices are Palmar / JX / Snarfs

I am concerned about Palmar, BUT I think we need to go for the guaranteed flip.

For me thats JX.

His filter speaks for itself; I think he is the safest choice. (and his latest posts about oats are just ridiculous)

Mr. CC i know you want Snarfs on the table; but do you really think he is a higher chance to flip than JX?

##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian

On February 08 2013 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
No CC, the bandwagon was shifting in Palmar's favour at that point and of course he wants to jump on and lynch arguably the strongest town player here

On February 07 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont care if Palmer is town actually at this point, he hasnt posted enough for ANYONE to get a read on him
Vets cannot let their reputation carry the game for them, especially since there are no nightkills in this game so its not like he is gonna die day 1 if he is really good.
This is a pure LURKER lynch.

Mr CC has contributed more than him and he replaced like 12+ hours later.

##Unvote
##Vote: Palmer.

On February 07 2013 17:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Come on guys, LYNCH PALMER.
Its easy
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 07 2013 18:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am voting for Palmer because he knows better, he really does. At least I hope so :/

On February 07 2013 20:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
The problem is that he skates by by his reputation, which I dont think is a good way to play and is abhorrent to the notion of playing to win

he didnt say anything about being busy, nothing is indicated in his tone that he is busy.
He is just trolling. And I dont care how 'good' he is, this play shouldnt be encouraged.
Talking about Palmer by the way.

On February 07 2013 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok lynching Palmer in 2 days.

IMMINENT.

On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth?

On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him?

On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian

You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer.

On February 08 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
The reason why I think Palmar is town this game, much to my regret is,

On February 08 2013 02:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
JX, is there a scum motivation for my 180?

Cause the town motivation is to stop a mislynch.

On February 08 2013 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah CC, HORRIFYING 180.

Anyway yeah thought I would see Palmars old games, came across that gem, and since I respect marv very much, I decided that he wasnt saying bullshit and that is what Palmar would do if he rolled scum.

Ok JX, other than my 'scummy' 180, is there anything else that makes you think I am scum?

On February 08 2013 03:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I won't lynch Oats with you. Until I see either of them flip, I'm not sure of the motives behind the 180. Considering Palmar hasn't done anything, it's probably easy for either alignment to flip a read on him because it's 100% based on meta.

I'm apprehensive about keeping my vote on Snarfs: I think that VE's vote was lulzy and I need to consider my propensity for confirmation bias (See: Witchcraft).

On February 08 2013 02:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
JX, is there a scum motivation for my 180?

Cause the town motivation is to stop a mislynch.

On February 08 2013 02:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
JX, is there a scum motivation for my 180?

Cause the town motivation is to stop a mislynch.

On February 08 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote:
JX
I know people are off your back due to the 180' case on Oats. but I would like an answer to my last questions.

On February 08 2013 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Arnt Palmar's quote's somewhat biased in his favor JX?

And you still havent addressed how any of the 5 things you pointed out are scummy, its basically as summary of my filter. Well done.

On February 08 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote:
JX
I know people are off your back due to the 180' case on Oats. but I would like an answer to my last questions.

02-17-2013 02:15 AM ET (US) JieXian wrote:
i havent been keeping up with the thread but as i stated earlier, it was

snarfs mrcc VE and prlprl

lz i disagree and I'll get to call you names post-game ok :D
oh ya give me your scumlist lz and have it on record

02-17-2013 02:15 AM ET (US) Lazermonkey wrote:
That's a deal jiexian, u scrubnub : D.
Hey, JX! wassup with your reads? Are they unchanged?

1. Phagga
2. Prp
3. Debears/Jay. Leaning Jay atm tho.

VE cooould possibly be scum but not likely imo. Everyone else I'm quite sure is town.

Mocsta, your play was good. Only a crazy person would've thought you were scum.
But I think your reads were kinda off I felt. Tho I guess we will find out in some time : ).

And debears is playing quite well also and he is one of the few making any sort if sense atm.

02-13-2013 03:09 AM ET (US) jiexian wrote:
obv its mrcc ve snarf and yam/phagga

really? i have this idea in my head, mrcc busses snarf for town cred and to save VE (im positive VE is scum) and it's just the last guy im not sure of because I don't have a good meta on either yamato or phagga or prprplh

O WAIT it must be ve mrcc prphl I see a trend.

they didn't want to lynch me but they didnt bother stopping the wagon, voted for palmar but in general they have been quite spread out and never united in their decision. and VE with that random OMGUS on sloosh as an excuse not to vote for palmar.

it fits a mafia game plan. don't take the blame for the mislynch, lynch palmar

3rd one's conditional: save VE, if ve's scum - (he most probably is)