Nomination Mafia - Page 9

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 02:36 GMT

#792

On February 08 2013 11:33 Snarfs wrote:
a) Half-hearted attempt at lynching Palmar
b) Dissonant vote on prplhz while still wanting to kill Palmar
c) Half-hearted switch to JieXian
d) Wishy-washy statements about other players

fuckn sniped

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 02:40 GMT

#793

Mr. Moderator, do nominated candidates still get a vote?

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 04:29 GMT

#800

I have had a re-read of Vers guide, and starting to look for specific things in play.

Jay, you are pinging the shit out of my scum-dar.
In a nutshell your filter contains
- No useful contributions, other than you following a curiosity on RNG (which was never taking off)
- You were a proponent of bringing back into the limelight my comments to Oats, when i already gave my 2cents.
- You admit to having no contributions to add to town (as your explanation on the lack of posts)
- You was the first people to lead the JX lynch; before anything was concrete
And to top it off
- Your last post reads as if you dont give a shit a townie just flipped. You instantly move on, thinking about scum nominations already. Its like you fucked him in a one night stand and then kicked him out and didnt even call a taxi.

Even when prplhz is questioning you; you respond meekly, I believe with the intention to be ignored.
It worked.
Whilst this occured you were subtly asking everyone to consolidate on JX; but never contributed with serious thought on why he was the best candidate. This reeks to manipulation and scum play.
Scummy townies often say things that are so stupid/wrong its easy to think they are trying to mislead as town.
Your filter shows no signs of unintentional misleading, rather, when pressuring Jay you are EXTREMELY specific.

Thus, for me, I see intentional play to drive your agenda:
i.e.push JX as lynch candidate and remain low by making calculated decisions to show interest and responding methodically to blend in.

@all
Please share your thoughts on the above; do you see JayBrundage play as a bad townie?

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 04:36 GMT

#801

EBWOP.. pressuring Jay extremely specifc.. jay = Djodref

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 05:17 GMT

#803

On February 08 2013 13:52 jaybrundage wrote:
In regards to the bold isnt that what everyone does?

In all seriousness there isn't much to say about JX. JX was lurking hard and didn't contribute anything till some pressure was on him and even then he didn't produce much. I was having second thoughts about him per palmars post but no one wanted to lynch prplhz.

I dont care if i bring your comments on Oats back to the limelight. If I think something you did was questionable I will call it out. You stated something I didn't agree with so I said as much.

And are you fucking kidding me with this consolidation bit. Ofc we have to consolidate as town. If we don't it gives mafia more leeway to swing the vote. Also you your self were asking people to consolidate on JX so how is what you say even make sense.

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Also why do you ask if im a bad townie. Why not just ask if people think I'm scum?

Jay,

Town does give a shit about the bolded part.
Town tries to figure out how the mislynch occured, who pulled the strings, and who sat back idly watching the train wreck.
You come in immediately and try to get town to move on and forget. You are not interested in any analysis, nor have you provided any all game that is relevant to town scum hunting.
At worst this motive is worthy of a flip; and at best, not even bad townie play.
Considering your replied to my points within 20min, its obvious you are actively lurking.
So I know you are aware of happenings in the thread; and yet your only read(s) is JX and prplhz. It can even be argued prplhz is a OMGUS reaction as well.
There are 4 mafia, and you have one read, with no substantiation. Sorry how is this town behaviour or even bad town behaviour?
As shitty as JieXian play was, his 180' case was still a more pertinent contribution to scum hunting than anything in your filter. Again, how does this align with you having town behaviour?
As for consolidation.. you asked for consolidation on JX way before he was lead candidate Jay.
IIRC Palmar was the lead candidate at that point in time and a status quo was still forming and reads still developing. You came in; threw you early consolidation comment and fucked off.
Further, you asked for consolidation with barely any grounds of reason: other than being a lurker with low activity and weird posts. That may be grounds for a vote, but certainly not for consolidation. Where are your attempts to develop this read any further. Where are you pressuring this scum read of yours (JX), because I dont see it.
So no, im not kidding you.
There is a big difference between the way you asked town to consolidate, and the way I did.
Lastly, I asked for bad townie read, because I want people to review your filter with an open-mind. If I ask for scummy motives, it may overtly influence their thought process as we just learnt with JX.

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 05:52 GMT

#806

Jay,
So if you dont see reasons for scum; how do you rate your town play this game as: pro-town, bad townie, or in the middle??

I still think we had different motives to consolidate. And I am still concerned you made a comment to consolidate and then fucked off. As I have said repeatedly,
where is your commitment to developing your read via pressure/analysis/alternative means?
Your play reads as if you dont care. All my questions regarding commitment you have dodged; why is that?

Jay
Do you have a top scum read? & why
Who is your top town read? & why

If you can answer these simple questions, that would go a way towards showing me you actually care.

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 06:03 GMT

#807

Jay
What im getting at is

for example)

When prplhz questioned you for pressuring Djo. I stood up for you because I thought that pressure was useful for town.

I was also pressuring Djo about the RNG, but was less effective (in part due to him pressuring me simultaneously). In the end you got an interesting result.
(i.e. Djo didtn want to push the RNG on Oats [apparently] but still followed through)

My issue is, with the above statement from Djo; you said, thats it, im satisfied and stopped pursuit.
Personally I thought there was much more to develop with this lead.
Its also not clear to me, if you thought the RNG is a town indicator.

So to me, this is why i am reading you as contributing without contributing. You led some pressure, and then once you peeled the first layer of the onion off; you stopped as if you had done your duty.

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 06:04 GMT

#808

On February 08 2013 14:42 yamato77 wrote:
Let's wait and talk about reads after we see the day post. I don't want mafia getting any ideas about who is good to nominate.

In the mean time, I like Mocsta's train of thought about the lynch. Who seemed to not care? Reread and we'll talk about it on day 2.

Peace.

Technically it is Day2.

Also, if we dotn talk about it now; I think it will get forgotten when the nominees come out and we have to discuss them.

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 06:36 GMT

#812

On February 08 2013 15:20 yamato77 wrote:
Yes but we're not lyching our reads tomorrow, we're lynching who mafia pick. Giving out reads right now lets them play WIFOM games with who they picked and why. Better to let them make a tougher, less informed decision about the nominations than to give them ideas.

Tomorrow night we can begin scum hunting like normal, but tonight we need to consider the setup more closely and try to prepare ourselves to properly analyze the mafia picks tomorrow.

hmmm I guess it wont hurt to use this 24hrs to re-read the thread post the activity explosion last night, without feeling the need to constantly F5.

K, I prob wont be back till post-dawn. It is Friday night after all

Ohh btw; I wont be available till prob 12 hrs into the next cycle (sat day is always hectic for me)

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 11:16 GMT

#825

Btw putting 3 townies is stupid.

Whats the point of forcing one townie lynch if you then confirm two townies.

Thats weak play. Why are you raising this VE.. For someone who liked my 'nomination insight' this statement of yours is an overly simplistic conclusion.

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 11:34 GMT

#826

Sl0sh

pls spell it out for me.

Why are u certain u will be up for the lynch?

I thought that comment was odd.

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 11:43 GMT

#828

By guys i assume u referring to me..

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 12:04 GMT

#830

hmmm. look im happy not to discuss the nominations this cycle.

But people need to stop proposing 3 town is guaranteed (i.e. sl0osh and VE). It is not certain, so dont advocate it.

& I still want an answer to why sl0osh thinks he is going to be up for lynch; AFAIK all 12 of us could be up for lynch, what makes him special.

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 13:25 GMT

#832

Mr Cheesecake.

I have a question

why cheesecake vs mudcake?

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 13:44 GMT

#834

On February 08 2013 20:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Guys, why are we discussing who scum is gonna pick? How does it help town at this point of time?

Im not trying to be a smart arse.. but considering the above

why are you raising this now?

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 13:50 GMT

#836

Perhaps im getting confused

I thought the whole spiel of yam/sl0osh was if you talk about scumreads now, it can influence who is nominated.

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 13:59 GMT

#838

im more than happy to discuss scumreads

I did bring up jay hours ago.

Im saying the other guys were against discussing it

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 14:02 GMT

#840

CC

can you give thoughts on the convo between me/jay

do you see good townie, bad townie, or other?

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 14:09 GMT

#842

On February 08 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:

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So? Are you in favor/not in favour of discussing reads?

See this is why we dont get along

On February 08 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
im more than happy to discuss scumreads

I did bring up jay hours ago.

Im saying the other guys were against discussing it

I can comment on your prplhz thingo if you want, im still waiting for feedback from you on my jay stuff

Mocsta

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February 08 2013 14:18 GMT

#844

im verbose I know

working on it. *sigh* its because i write what im thinking; instead of think what i write.