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Yamato I have a random question for you. If everyone bar two guys wanted to vote Oats and the two guys wanted to vote JX Do you think the two guys would get ignored? ======================= + Im going to bed its 2.50am here + I believe JX leads the vote count, lets keep it that way | ||
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If scum Thing is i am not sure if mafia needed to bus jx yet. When i went to bed he wasnt a majority candidate. Phagga what do u make of palmar voting prplhz when everyone else cleared him by meta? | ||
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i.e. VE not oushing his reads hard Same tjing when phone typing mr. thread snipet (prplhz) | ||
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If scum Thing is i am not sure if mafia needed to bus jx yet. When i went to bed he wasnt a majority candidate. Phagga what do u make of palmar voting prplhz when everyone else cleared him by meta? | ||
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i.e. VE not pushing his reads hard Same tjing when phone typing mr. thread snipet (prplhz) | ||
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(1) What do you make of sl0osh and his lack of appearance in basically 24hrs Its near lynch deadline, and he still hasnt voted.. he backed off yamato pretty easily too (2) What do you make of Djo, aside from setup talk all he has done is inflate a comment I made. During the pivotal lynch discussions yesterday (he made himself present by voting) but decided to lurk and only push his vote on Palmar. (3) Im confident on JX as scum. His contributions since coming back have about flinging shit at everything till something sticks. That is his scum meta to a tee. My problem is Palmar... im still convinced by the marv quote to give palmar a chance... but palmar wants to lynch prplhz and save JX.. (i thought we all agreed prplhz meta is matching town) so palmar recommendations are direct opposite to what I expected... | ||
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On February 08 2013 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: He didn't explain anything in that post phagga. He didn't say why he wanted to lynch any of those targets. It barely even qualifies as a bus in that instance because he's not pushing his read and he's barely interested in where his vote goes. And regardless of the second post you quoted, the fact remains that he didn't do shit to actually get prplhz lynched. This is a fact. So you can bitch at me all you want about "voting for my scumread's target", because I know that prplhz was never really a target for Palmar because he's come back since then and hasn't mentioned him again. Not even a "Guys lynch prplhz" like he's wont to do. Nothing. VE, I dont get this, can you please explain in more detail because I know that prplhz was never really a target for Palmar because he's come back since then and hasn't mentioned him again The problem I have with this is the timeline (1) Palmar: Vote prplhz //VE: Vote Palmar (2) VE: Pro-town post: lynch 1 of these 4.. I will vote palmar scum read (3) Palmar gives list of lynch candidates So how did you know palmar would back down.. when all you had was a single vote on prplhz? That is very unclear to me. | ||
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Im think im settled on JX with so little time. The meta argument is pretty good. Compare Mafia LIX (JX = town) to Normal Mini Mafia 4 (JX = scum) OR even this game. The contrast is as stark as prplhz meta shift. I know prplhz listed some points in favour of JX being town, but IIRC it was all based on assumptions of behaviiour. Palmar is probably not aware of JX meta, so not sure how valid his argument to save JX is either. | ||
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including Djo lack of contributions for 24hrs sl0osh looking like he getting modkilled & jay started off well, but since has provided nothing new; when i think much has occured in the thread; im starting to see the elusiveness prplhz/Mr.CC were talking about. ====== but this is all day2 discussion. see you at the deadline | ||
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On February 08 2013 10:10 jaybrundage wrote: I'm trying to stay away from my overly spammy town meta. Where i post alot but not much of it has value. I rather not post alot but when i do post at least contribute something to the town. Fair enough, I have exactly the same problem so can understand that. Its not alignment indicative though. Having said that, I know you were active over 5 hrs ago; and are active now. So I am really expecting some analysis/insight from you after the deadline. If I could focus your energy, I would suggest the VE situation - as there seems to be enough "meat" there to do analysis; but its up to you and what you reads are. | ||
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On February 08 2013 10:28 GMarshal wrote: Game start post has been updated with wonderful fluff. Check it out Oh, and about 30 minutes to lynch. I'm getting food so it the post may be *slightly* delayed, but not by much Nanobots for the win. Thanks, cool flavour! | ||
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On February 08 2013 10:36 Snarfs wrote: You're spinning my words to make it sound how you want it to sound. That's scummy. You're scum. Please explain to me the two things from JX, and how they are town-motivated or NOT alignment indicative. (1) His first post = a case on Mocsta. Specifically the focus of the case being pre-game commentary. (2) Last night when he becamse active, starts questioning Djo motives (multiple times) Then picks onto grammar issues with reads on Oats (and completely misinterprets the commentary) again multiple times Once I threw some doubt onto Palmar, he immediately bandwagons the vote. with "I agree" Proceeds to make the 180' case on Oats; which is really alignment null for Oats.. im still surprised prplhz jumped all over him for that. Once I put the limelight back on JX, he disappears (him, me, Djo, Oats are all the same timezone btw) Im not seeing how all those points are town/alignment null indicators, so I am keen for your insight. (because of top of those actions, you have the meta case on him from Yamato) | ||
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On February 08 2013 10:43 Snarfs wrote: There's a difference between what someone "literally says" and what someone means. I meant that I agreed with Palmar's stance on JX and I would assume that's how most players would interpret it. Snarfs, I think to promote good town atmosphere we need to avoid taking this easy stances without justification. This to me is no different than "sheeping" and is not helping me discern you as town or scum. Please, if you agree with someones rational, at least point out why. | ||
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On February 08 2013 10:53 Snarfs wrote: He could have believed Mocsta was scum? He follows up by comparing your meta. And he tries to question you on your apparent change in meta. There's no scum motive here. Bad town explains all those things. In fact, you pointing it out makes it sound even more like bad town. Why would scum call someone out for something as dumb as that? Why would scum make a complete 180 and draw a bunch of attention to themselves? JX posts he is fully aware of his town meta, and tries to replicate it. I guess the biggest challenge of this game is deciding between bad townie / scum. I dont think the 180' case draws attention to JX, in fact, it took him off the limelight, and suddenly propped oats as a lynch contender. (Yes this can be done as town or scum trying to save their ass) My problem is the constant testing of waters fro mocsta,-> djo -> palmar -> oats.. thats scummy to me, and not indicative of taking a firm stance (which is tpyically a town trait) either way 5min to lynch, we will find out shortly whether the meta is right or wrong. | ||
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On February 08 2013 10:58 Snarfs wrote: Because he hasn't done anything with scum motive. I don't know how else to explain it besides in that last post addressing your questions. Everything could be explained by some form of bad town. I wrote that post before you replied to the other points. That was a comment in general, i dont think anyone should get away with sheeping. | ||
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man.. this sucks | ||
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Whats annoying here is Snarfs was the only person who produced a counter argument to JX. and JX certainly did himself no favours waking up 5min before the lynch. Im going back to work, this is really a disappointing outcome. | ||
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I can already see a very clear difference in pressure. Snarfs has maintained his read since the start. Has made a case that had zero traction. & has still chosen to keep pushing it. Scum dont do this FULL STOP. Snarfs could have easily shifted to another target. (As an aside I wish he gave his JX bad townie rationale earlier, but perhaps hew as like me and waiting for JX to appear in the thread) Then look @ VE Now I know Day1 reads are subject to change as the game picks up; so i have no qualms with vote swapping as long as due justification is given. All of VE vote swaps are pretty weak On February 07 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh neat, Palmar didn't even comment on random lynching. Another infallible scum tell for our icelandic friend. ##Vote: Palmar On February 07 2013 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I think prplhz is the most realistic lynch candidate, and I'll tell you why (though you probably won't like it.) Palmar apparently wants to lynch prplhz. Is that fucked up or what? But it's true. If Palmar comes back in here and says "Yeah I still want to lynch prplhz" then I believe that prplhz will get lynched. In spite of fucking off for the entire game, Palmar has more say over who gets lynched than I do. But I'm not bitter - all is not lost you see. For I can also get down on a prplhz lynch. I'd still do somersaults over a Palmar lynch or Snarfs lynch, but honestly I just don't think I can make it happen today. ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: prplhz On February 08 2013 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Still no quotes from this game explaining your viewpoint. Just vague meta references and now you're throwing in non-alignment indicative bullshit. ##Unvote: prplhz ##Vote: Snarfs WOOOWOOOOOOOOO This is the lynch guys, all aboard. On February 08 2013 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Snarfs ##Vote: JieXian It's still true - it was just an observation. I wouldn't say he's been discussed "all day"...he doesn't even have enough content to warrant all-day discussion. And his resurgence into the thread when the threat of lynch is real certainly doesn't speak well for him either. Votes Palmar on RNG? I took this originally as a joke vote, but then VE continued to push for this lynch with simple one-liners showing he wanted to take it seriously. Then he swaps to prplhz.. his scum votes, target... like wtf? The justification is crap, and he has tried to explain his motives several times (each unconvincingly) The vote on Snarfs, is interesting.. (1) prplhz was cleared by meta for most active participants.. and (2) it reeks of OMGUS; its usually scum who imemdiately go OMGUS and followup with a vote. (whereas town typically OMGUS with flaming/cases/banter) Lastly, the vote on JX is a complete sheep; adding no thought into the matter. ========= I think this voting pattern indeed corroborates Snarfs meta-read on VE (in relation to scum hunting.. which he later clarified) If I am alive Day 3, I am more than willing to support a VE lynch right now. | ||
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