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On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote: I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town. How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game" CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive" Fail. Try again please. | ||
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On February 08 2013 02:04 Snarfs wrote: THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING: 1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***. 2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN 3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing. I can't tell his motives right now. I don't know why he's voting for prplhz. Because Palmar is? But Palmar is his number 1 scum read? It doesn't make sense! Scum scum scum. *Facepalm* Sorry I didnt realise in vet world, finishing with "scum scum scum" was a killing blow to get votes. Look will read this in detail, but so far, I didnt see any quotes from this game. Seems like you did a pure meta read; right now, pretty disappointed I had to wait for this. | ||
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UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT Palmar (3) - Djo, Mocsta, JX JX (2) - phagga, Yamato77 Snarfs (2) - Mr.CC, Oatsmaster prplhz (2) - Palmar, VE Djodref (1) - JayBrundage VE (1) - Snarfs No Vote (2) -sl0osh, prplhz | ||
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On February 08 2013 02:14 JieXian wrote: In other words, you 2 need to realise that Oats isn't a 1 dimensional guy who plays the same way. Why are you still talking about this JX. Your vote is on Palmar; why discuss Oats. | ||
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I think we HAVE to consolidate. From what I can see the choices are Palmar / JX / Snarfs I am concerned about Palmar, BUT I think we need to go for the guaranteed flip. For me thats JX. His filter speaks for itself; I think he is the safest choice. (and his latest posts about oats are just ridiculous) Mr. CC i know you want Snarfs on the table; but do you really think he is a higher chance to flip than JX? ##Unvote ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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On February 08 2013 02:04 Snarfs wrote: THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING: 1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***. 2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN 3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing. I can't tell his motives right now. I don't know why he's voting for prplhz. Because Palmar is? But Palmar is his number 1 scum read? It doesn't make sense! Scum scum scum. Snarfs; I read your case in detail. Im going to be blunt here. Before I read your case: My matrix: Snarfs:null, VE: probably town. After I read your case: No change. May I add, using your criteria for town VE, makes me think he is town even more. Whats agitating with your case is that the meta is from March 2012. The game changes, and so do people. (Yes subconscious behaviour probably doesnt.. but that isnt int he crux of your commentary) You're pointing out post structure meta etc and its out of date by one year. I was hoping you were going to post a read from Normal Mini mafia 4 (Meta Feb 2013, he was town) ===================== What are we left with? Either: You are scum, and trying to contribute without contributing OR You are tunneled town, that was so fixated on a concept you couldnt let go. Many in the thread will probably say you're scum; I want to give you a chance as i think something like this is far more likely from tunneled town. Can you please discuss the following: @Snarfs You said before you dont think Palmar should be lynched. However, Palmar has voted prplhz; who many have defended as town due to meta (including you) If you think prplhz is town; do you still support Palmar surviving this lynch? If so, I would like a detailed response on why. | ||
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On February 08 2013 02:25 Snarfs wrote: If you know how someone tries to find scum and you know that that's not what they're doing this game, then it's a combination of meta and gamesense, or whatever you want to call it. This is not VE trying to find scum. If that was the original intent. you did not write it clearly (which is certainly not scum indicative at all) Your synopsis was: THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING: 1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***. 2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN 3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing That is more image related that scum hunting related. | ||
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On February 08 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote: The reason why I think Palmar is town this game, much to my regret is, Fuck me, thats pretty convincing. The WIFOM for that is... Palmar is aware of that comment and can adapt hoping someone will post that. I think what I said stands though.. this nomination mechanic gives an opportunity for a good town player to be the most pro-town they have ever been, and never be lynched (and obviously night killed) | ||
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PLEASE CONSIDER CONSOLIDATING. On February 08 2013 02:23 Mocsta wrote: Guys, after doing that votecount, we have no idea what the USA shift is going to lean towards as they become active in the next couple hours. There is no firm candidate for lynch. I think we HAVE to consolidate. From what I can see the choices are Palmar / JX / Snarfs I am concerned about Palmar, BUT I think we need to go for the guaranteed flip. For me thats JX. His filter speaks for itself; I think he is the safest choice. (and his latest posts about oats are just ridiculous) Mr. CC i know you want Snarfs on the table; but do you really think he is a higher chance to flip than JX? ##Unvote ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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I was shocked that there was no clear vote leader when I did the count. It definitely felt like a bandwagon was happening; (when it actually didnt) | ||
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I know your getting smashed from all angles about being scum. Can you please summarise in dot point, what actions you have taken to establish your innocence this game? In my opinion your posting much like your last scum game. | ||
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On February 08 2013 02:55 Snarfs wrote: I'll answer your question but I need you to answer mine: Tell me why you think VE is "probably town". I just don't see him trying to find scum right now. And sure, maybe my meta is out of date, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still being all wishy-washy like in his reads. First of all, notice how he starts "I think Snarfs might well be scum. So here's a little push in his direction, care of the guy who isn't pushing anyone." He's not aggressive, he's not interested. Hell he's not even addressing me. ------------------------------------------- I still don't like a Palmar lynch. I can't read Palmar like I can read VE. If I thought VE might be town I would be just as against a VE lynch as a Palmar lynch because they both have an uncanny ability to find scum as town. Snarfs I listed him as probable town, because I thought there was insight in the reads (that I had not considered and made sense to me) + I also liked the direction he was trying to give. I also liked the way he interjected with the oats/mocsta feud. When it happened live, I had my doubts on VE (you can tell with how I responded to him).. but re-reading the interactions several times I thought he tried to repair the situation in a very pro-town manner. I know scum can ask to stop in-fighting as well; but i dont think they had to provide the effort VE used. Regardless of if you like it or not.. his insight on your post in my opinion was reasonable (i.e. you voted him for leaving, because you knew oats/myself were town).. perhaps Im biased to this outcome because I know I am town, and I think oats is town. He has further reads on others, that again, I thought the insight made sense. Check out this Snarf http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=117978¤tpage=All That is VE filter from Normal Mini 4 (last week, he was town) Here is his first vote.. starts off a bit like his case on you. On January 26 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so far I think iamp is the scummiest. Earlier he asked me if I was serious about my accusation of thrawn. Looking back I noticed this in his filter. In this post he appears to be suspicious of prom for his vote on Vivax. What strikes me however is that if he's suspicious of Prom, he's basically telling Prom how to answer to make himself less suspicious. Why would he do this as a townie? As scum I can see reason for him to coach Prom through to the correct response regardless of Prom's alignment, but why would iamp do that as town? Especially given his response to my calling him out: It would kind of at that. ##Vote: iamperfection The point regarding lacking scum hunt initiative that you raised has piqued my interest enough I would drop VE to leaning town (i.e. still have relatively carefully the motive). But in the end I am willing to take a risk on VE, even if in teh obs qt everyone says he conned me good. Im still stuck with you though. ================== Snarfs What do you make of this whole Oats situation, specifically the 180' swap on Palmar JX highlighted (of all people) | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:18 prplhz wrote: Well, that's kind of the case. He is elusive and calls out people for obvious reasons and seems perfectly happy about that. I already wrote that with a lot more words but I think you nailed it in one sentence. ?? On February 08 2013 02:54 jaybrundage wrote: In response to prplhz about my pressure on Djo. I pressured Djo because I didn't like the way he was posting and using his RNG lynch to avoid discussion. I still don't see him as town and think people have let him go to quick as silly town. As i stated tho we need to consolidate and i would be fine doing it on JX. While he started posting he is doing a terrible job of establishing his townieness and i still think he can flip scum. Also how the votes are spread out makes me think that JX has an even likelier chance to flip scum. Palmar I would would like your thoughts on the JX lynch | ||
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I know people are off your back due to the 180' case on Oats. but I would like an answer to my last questions. On February 08 2013 02:46 Mocsta wrote: JX I know your getting smashed from all angles about being scum. Can you please summarise in dot point, what actions you have taken to establish your innocence this game? In my opinion your posting much like your last scum game. | ||
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I am not buying JX case on Oats. Yes Oats did a 180', but the Marv post was convincing. Why couldnt Oats have just found that post? All the vets have been posting links of past games; why is it scummy Oats opened Mafia LVIII and ctrl+f "palmar" and found that marv quote. I never read Mafia LVIII but I still know Palmar trolled that game as town. As his last game, if doing meta read, is it not relevant to search that game for content? =================== Fact is, before this JX case, he was scummy as fuck. Why are we off JX; he finds one issue with Oats play; throws out WIFOM bomb, and suddenly is clear? WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE JX case is made throughout the thread.
JX in this game is not lynch-bait; what has he done that is actually town motivated. I have had to ask this question to him twice, and still havent received a response. The goal of Day1 deadline is to lynch the player with the highest chance of being scum. Can can this NOT be JX? ========================= Please consolidate and lead with a vote on JX On February 08 2013 02:23 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:29 JieXian wrote: Btw I play some noob poker and I am aware of meta and using it to your advantage: Get a tight image at the table and you can start bluffing. Speaking poker terms. Its often the short stack has to all-in to feign the power hand.. all to claim the blinds. Analogies can apply any way you see fit. | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm willing to consolidate onto JX. I hope thats in refernce to my request directly above  Pretty please | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:35 JieXian wrote: and I'm not going to give you any fucking bullet points because the only thing any of you had on me was that I wasn't around. How about your first fuckn post voting me. you dont even exlpain why it is now "invalid" | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:35 JieXian wrote: and I'm not going to give you any fucking bullet points because the only thing any of you had on me was that I wasn't around. P.S. town dont talk about what "you got on me" they talk about proving their innocence. Because the cases are not valid in the first place. Your mentality is the wrong way; thats a behaviour trait of scum. Theres no turning back from taht one. | ||
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I know your reading this. I would appreciate if we can converse again please. In regards to JX On February 08 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote: I didn't want to talk a lot about JieXian because I wanted to see if he showed up on his own. He has posted around this time (actually a couple hours later) before in this game so I thought I'd not comment on him to see if he showed up again. If he didn't then I would be pretty sure that he was actually just not here which doesn't say much about his alignment. Of course this gamble doesn't work if I talk about it in the thread. Anyway, now that he's here he needs to start fending for himself since he apparently has four votes on him. On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote: Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. I am not sure what JX sucks means. What I do know is that you are focused on jaybrundage. What is odd is that. after several pages (including JX being active) we get this: On February 08 2013 03:31 prplhz wrote: No, I don't have any strong scum reads and that's annoying because there are a lot of scum so some of them should be obvious already now (hopefully). I don't know who I will vote, I have a list of people I don't want to vote but that doesn't help me much. I want to lynch jaybrundage as I have already said a bunch of times but that's not a strong scum read (just the best I have) and it's not actually a lot that nobody else likes it. You said originally you were holding off commenting on JX because he wasnt present. Well now he is, I would like you to expound on his alignment and why? | ||
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