EPTPhagga made a heart felt defense to your jx accusations.
Palmar was even reconsidering his read.
I take it from your above post. Ur read was not swayed
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Phagga made a heart felt defense to your jx accusations. Palmar was even reconsidering his read. I take it from your above post. Ur read was not swayed | ||
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(scum slip written on phone) However, there is so much doubt in the thread with yamato currently, which is the main reason I am holding back voting phagga. I am waiting for his response to what has been highlighted as issues. With Jay; thats a hard one. I cant guage if its just a guy pissed off; or a guy looking for town cred. Im leaning towards guy pissed off due to: On February 10 2013 12:36 jaybrundage wrote: Palmar I will change my vote for you but if you change your mind and decide to play then I will do my best to change the direction of the lynch. The balls in your court. ##Unvote ##Vote Palmar He wanted Palmar in from the start of the nomination; just wanted from him more effort. I dont have a problem he voted me; I said from the start, if palmar and sl0osh could promise motivation/activity, then I would be happy to be voted off. Jay thought palmar promised more; i dont think he did. Prob comes down to that. | ||
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On February 11 2013 12:26 jaybrundage wrote: Rofl how is calling the shitty lynch shitty trying to get town cred. If anything I knew it was "scummy" to fling shit on the palmar lynch. But at that time i was to busy being pissed off to give a fuck. If we had had a consistent vote count I would of acted sooner. But I really didn't know where we stood on whos getting lynched. Also I don't redact anything that I said. I think that at least 2-3 of the scum are on the Palmar Wagon. Think about it Palmar is a town monster. (The main reason I didn't want to lynch him) Scum will be afraid of him and they should. I have seen this guy legit call out the entire scum team day 1. Needless to say we (I was on the scum team) Shot his ass day 1. Look over what palmar said and consider his reads. He is known for being an amazing town player for a reason. I also am still pissed off at you fuckers btw for lynching him. Ugh so aggravating. Jay; We can't always have what we want. I wish most people werent lurking so hard You wish, Palmar was still here. Fact; Palmar was gracious enough to share his reads with us; and was pretty much advocating the whole time to "vote him". You need to accept that this was his decision, and move on. Being pissed at town is not going to help the situation; and others might even read this as an excuse from you to not bother contributing further. If you want to "honour his lynch" I suggest you follow your lead On February 11 2013 10:55 BioSC wrote: Palmar (6): Snarfs, phagga, yamato77, and pressure who you think is scum on that wagon. I think it is a really really poor excuse to blame not butting in early, because GM didnt make a post count. Its not hard to ctrl+f "##Vote".. if it was important enough to you, you would have done it. Stop throwing responsibility to others, when the buck stopped with you. | ||
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On February 11 2013 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote: To me, this post reads as him softclaiming town. He is like, scum dont want to call people town. I am calling someone town, therefore I am not scum. Also, he says that he wants to lynch Mr CC, and doesnt ask him any questions about anything. Prp has been reactive this whole game and not proactive. Reactive is a scumtell. Good to know you're alive. Do you know what the situation is with replacements? i.e. Are you getting modkilled? | ||
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your in bed; enjoy the drama and stop chainsaw defending...sweet dreams  (yes i just chain-saw'd the chain-sawer but so what) Its between yam/jay let them slug it out | ||
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i.e. Jay makes case on Yam. Instead of defending Yam by refuting the evidence; you attack Jays credibility (you went ad-hominem on him too, making it worse) If i didnt like your read on phagga, i would be voting for you based on this action.. its actually pretty scummy. (and typically only scum do this). At the least you have moved up the ladder on my "to do" list. | ||
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but I am saying its your not place to dispute the case. That is up to yamato; you stepping in, has now wasted a vital chance to see yamato in action, and release any alignment indicators. This is already a scummy-ish move from yourself. (if yamato wasnt a probably town read for you; which I dont think he is) You stepping in, and choosing to attack Jay, regardless of valid or not, was delivered ad-hominem. This stepping in is the definition of chainsaw defense, and by virtue, scummy. As an aside, if jay really does suspect yamato; I would like to see a follow case introducing more of his own thoughts. | ||
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On February 11 2013 14:08 jaybrundage wrote: Also Yamato yes im sheep palmar from the grave. UMADBRO? Jay On February 11 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote: As an aside, if jay really does suspect yamato; I would like to see a follow case introducing more of his own thoughts. | ||
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On February 11 2013 14:16 jaybrundage wrote: Actually speaking of Mocsta whats your opinion on Yamato? I want to hear his defense first, but currently he is my equal #1 (with phagga) My major problem now with yamato is how he chooses to defend cases #1 - On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote: Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there? I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff. On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote: I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me. #2 - On February 11 2013 13:19 yamato77 wrote: ... Should I have included the post of jay's where he claims to have no reads? And all the ones he admits that he's just waiting on Palmar to post so he can sheep him? Yeah... Basically both times under pressure, he simply dismisses the cases and "moves on". I dont think a VT would have this air of confidence / nonchalant attitude. Case in point, my reaction to yamato case. To do this once, perhaps I can accept, but to do it twice in the same game; its not pro-town or town behaviour. | ||
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I can just make a plea that town focuses on targeting a maximum of two targets simultaneously- otherwise the thread will become cluttered, and questions/answers may become buried. For, the two candidates I would like pressured at the moment: #1 Yamato - as he has not sufficiently addressed what has been put forth #2 VE - as quite a few other people have addressed pressure his way and I do not recall it being defended. | ||
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On February 11 2013 16:15 Oatsmaster wrote: lol, so you dont think Snarf and Prp are scum? Your reasons for both of them are not cause they are scum, its cause they havent answered all the questions levied at them? Isnt that kinda of a shitty reason to focus on them? I am not saying Snarf/prplhz are not scum at all. I am saying: If you pressure 4-5 guys at the same time, maybe only 2 (if you're lucky 3) respond. Then the remaining 2 guys walk away and get forgotten. Hence, I think it is best to concentrate of 2 (max 3) guys; get the results we need, and then move on to the next target. | ||
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On February 11 2013 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Its just that you are focusing on different people than me Mocsta, so Im not gonna pressure 5 people. Also, respond to the second part. Why are both of them scummy? I see your point of view; and as long as you feel you can follow through with your pressure fine. Just note that you said before with CNY you are VERY busy - so I think it is reasonable to NOT expect follow through with the pressure. As for yam/VE being scum; I have stated my opinion on the matter; yam is my joint #1 scum read. And I am awaiting his response to the pressure put forth. On February 11 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote: Oats, I cant stop you from pursuing who you want to scum hunt. I can just make a plea that town focuses on targeting a maximum of two targets simultaneously- otherwise the thread will become cluttered, and questions/answers may become buried. For, the two candidates I would like pressured at the moment: #1 Yamato - as he has not sufficiently addressed what has been put forth #2 VE - as quite a few other people have addressed pressure his way and I do not recall it being defended. I think this is pretty clear to be frank. I am not struggling with what does not make sense? Hopefully the above will suffice. | ||
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On February 11 2013 12:59 Mocsta wrote: Good to know you're alive. Do you know what the situation is with replacements? i.e. Are you getting modkilled? | ||
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On February 11 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Um Im posting so no? Like lol k Mocsta. Im struggling to understand how not answering questions makes them your n1 scum read. Dude, don't be a Snarfs...read the thread; I am not going to summarise what has already been stated. Either way; why are you trying to banter with me? If I am a town read of yours; you're cluttering the thread arguing with me; and not providing any benefit for it. | ||
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This has been a painful 12 hrs. Hopefully the USA shift has a bit more to add. I know I suggested before to only pressure 2/3 people, but that was based on people actually responding. This is basically the first post in almost 6 hours. Town, we still outnumber scum; please dont allow them to lurk in the shadows | ||
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On February 10 2013 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I did and was satisfied enough with what I found. Not interested in lynching you right now Cheese. That's mentioned in the post I'm working on. Still waiting for justification on this VE Plus, can you please expound in dot points why you think yamato is not a contender for lynch. | ||
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On February 12 2013 09:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah that got nixxed my bad. Cheese multiple times in his filter asks people to make a case on him, or "tunnel me bro"...with the intent to "get a better read on his accusers". That's too attention-whorey to be scummy. Not to mention he's one of like two people who have agreed with me on Snarfs like all game. I'm just not interested in lynching Cheese. Also, this is a minor point, but something that pretty well seals my read of him: I disagree. Asking people to discourse is not a town tell at all. Its an easy way to gain town cred; so i am surprised you have given CC the green light based on this type of justification. Further, people agreeing with your lynch candidates, is not indicative of town alignment either http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon So far, all I have seen are null tells; which you are construing as "sealed" town read. Regarding yamato, I'll filter him. I haven't read much on yamato to be honest. I welcome your read on yamato, hopefully there is more substance than the above. | ||
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I saw on the spready, Unclear: ?phagga?, prplhz Light Scum: Djo, Oats, Cheesecake Heavy Scum: yamato, snarfs, VE But your post list is VisceraEyes, Mr.Cheesecake, OatsMaster, Yamato77/prplhz VE: I am really starting to dislike if you couldnt tell by my last post to him Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter. Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch. Snarfs: One thing in Snarfs favour is early game I asked for his read on a post from VE. Even though he already voted VE, he said the tell was "null".. This at least shows he is not 100% tunneled in his approach. I think Snarfs problem may have been he pushed his scum reads before establishing his innocence. Overall Jay, I am behind yam or VE today; im fuckn annoyed yam chose not to comment over night. Thats a pretty damn big indicator based on his track record. Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop. | ||
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On February 12 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote: Jay I am losing interest in as a candidate. I can understand how people MIGHT view some of the things I do as scummy, or bandwagony. Dude, WTF is this shit. You vote me, I make a counter-case; you drop it. You have issues with Jay; he makes counter-case; you drop it. And you drop it without gving any reasons. Thats fuckn scummy and you know it. Furthermore, if people think this is how I play as mafia, they are sorely mistaken. I don't give a shit about anything as mafia. Look at my two mafia games. Do I make analysis posts? Do I make towncases? Do I change my reads? No. Have I done that this game? Yes. Any perceived change from my town meta is a POSITIVE one, in that I'm not picking stupid fights, not arguing with my scum reads, and not tunneling one player endlessly. If you guys lynch me for that, I quit this game. I think this is misleading information. I dont know much about your first scum game. But I know two things about your second scum game. (1) You were playing Mafia LIX as a mason simultaneously (2) You came in as a replacement for a false miller claim, and partnered with JX who was doing fuck all. I can see clear reasons for lack of motivation in your second scum game. Hence, I dont know what to expect of you via scum meta, and instead choose to judge by what actions in your filter. Yes, I take this seriously. It frustrates the shit out of me this game that I am being discussed as a lynch candidate. I am putting in more effort than most of you this game in figuring out what's going on, and you are all listening to Palmar, who wasn't even fucking playing the damn game. Fuck that. We're all putting in effort and figuring things out yam; dont get on a high horse like your shit doesnt stink. | ||
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