I blame snarfs, Djo and the town-favored nomination mechanic for this loss.

Although I think I played really well for what I was given, dat snarfs bus yo?

Pretty much had to all in last day or else, and I really didn't care either way.

GG

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 23 2013 02:04 GMT

#2183

If I bussed VE I would have had to kill Debears too, and lets face it, that's like 2 weeks worth of game time.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 23 2013 02:20 GMT

#2197

On February 23 2013 11:16 Keirathi wrote:

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I'm not so sure.

Imagine both you and debears had been pretty adamant about VE being scum. Then Oats and jay come in and sheep the cases without much input. You have everyone alive aside from VE voting for VE. How do the townies figure out the townies voting VE from the scum voting VE when VE flips?

I think you guys just thought you were in a better position than you really were, and when thread sentiment turned against VE, you all got caught with your pants down.

It's hard to say. The way things were, a lot of shit went down when I was away. Sentiment went from Jay / Phagga being scum at lylo to VE being indisputably scum.72 hour night periods with nominations are just terrible. So I just played along with whatever it was debears / ve were doing.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 23 2013 02:26 GMT

#2203

I still think that Snarfs bus was the best move ever. What else was I supposed to do

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 23 2013 02:38 GMT

#2217

On February 23 2013 11:30 yamato77 wrote:

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That was a beautiful move, and it had everyone in the thread fooled.

The one mistake I caught you on during day 2 was your wishy-washy read flip-flop on me. Everything else until the last day was really solid stuff from you.

Problem is, i would have done that as town too.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 23 2013 02:40 GMT

#2218

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 23 2013 02:46 GMT

#2219

Also fun facts:

Before replacing and knowing my alignment, my top 3 scumreads were Djodref, Phagga, and Snarfs as indicated by my opening post. I chose to tone down Djo obviously... Snarfs for more busier plans.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 23 2013 03:50 GMT

#2223

On February 23 2013 12:41 AxleGreaser wrote:
Well that was ~~one of~~ the best of the games I have ghosted. My heartfelt thanks to all the performers.
That may be biased as I think I understood better what I was watching this time, and while I must
thank the players, the setup....
Yeah it was hard for scum but I suspect it is always going to be nail bitingly close to LyLo for town.

Although they have no present value, +10 Axle points to GM for bringing the set-up here.

Omg GM is a millionare, cash those things in bro.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 24 2013 17:10 GMT

#2288

Mafia could have easily won this game at the end. Problem was, we all and especially myself, were tired of the game length and lost focus the last day. my original plan was to get the lynch between phagga and jay, and i had a good post prepared to do such that. But by the time i got around to the thread, everyone was accusing VE of foul treachery. Debears was hard defending and i was like... eh... shit just blew up. oh woe is me, a sad panda.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

March 04 2013 14:31 GMT

#2296

On the setup for future iterations:

1 ) Dawn phase should be a silent X - hour period (12 hours maybe?) where scum choose who to nominate. The 24 hour talking period is pointless, as in game we largely chose to not do anything. Mostly it was just clutter. A silent period is good because it gives town the opportunity to scumhunt and analyze the lynch on their own, and scum a chance to sit back (or fake scumhunt their own).

2) The nomination - lynch phase should be 24 hours. It's between three people, one of whom is usually unlynchable. (See: Mocsta D2, myself D6). I don't think town needs the entire 48 hours to decide, imo.

What this does:

- Minimizes clutter in the thread
- Aligns the amount of time town has to discuss with a normal game (48 hour day phase, 24 hour nomination phase)

On scum play this game:

The rest of the scumteam and I weren't really on the same page. Snarfs bus was the best out of a bad situation. Snarfs was being an asshole D1 just bussing his scumbuddy (read the QT, VE was getting pissed off). I honestly think this was bad play. I realize he was afk for legit reasons, but he was one-faced and his play was not dynamic enough to fool town. Djo didn't play terribly -- he just was afk for like 2 phases or something. Debears <3 once he came in. VE was doing well, imo, but somehow people were just screaming scum at him and idk how or why.

On my play this game:

I liked it pretty much up until the final day. I tried to acheive some form of a plan in the QT, but I didn't flesh it out quite well. I think I needed to buddy VE earlier (And get him pseudo-confirmed town because some people really trusted me). Oats wanted to lynch Jay early and I could have played on that. My confirmation that Jay was town, imo, made the cases VE and Debears made worse. I think I could have pushed him for a lynch. My original plan was to get the lynch between Phagga and Jay.. and I think I kind of counteracted that by being all "lol jay town, phagga confirmed scum". I should have built cases on both of them -- I could have played better, but the game was lengthy and I peetered out.