EPTOn January 23 2013 14:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
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You do realise its actually Syllogism | ||
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Lolz the irony, | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:17 Mocsta wrote: Your wrong Wrong because setup speculation is scum talk Djo (you know that personally!!) and mason is a town role !!! | ||
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On January 31 2013 22:20 Toadesstern wrote: I had to replace xsksc out for personal reasons. Mocsta is taking his spot. Howdy all. (1) I have not been reading this game on the side so will need to catch up. (literally from page 1) All I am aware of is my role PM + the flips on the OP. (2) The deadline is 7am my time; and its currently 10pm my time. Will try my best to catch up by 7am but 80pages might be a stretch. I have no idea what cycle we are in either. OK, off to reading. | ||
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On January 31 2013 22:45 Promethelax wrote: Moc: c'mon and show me how townie you are or possibly how scummy you are, I'll accept either. You replace into this game with a green check on you though, if you use that to do nothing I will policy lynch you forever <3. Not that it means anything, but that green check aligns with my role PM. OK, now off to reading. | ||
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So far the person I think is the scummiest is Djo. His reasons for following up on xsksc were terrible (e.g. definition of a case) and then the "case" against VE was terrible, like really terrible. I usually enjoy reading Djodref cases, they have really good presentation and hes constantly attempting to update the mechanisms for delivery; these on the other hand are completely lack lustre, and the thought process is minimal and felt contrived. Now I haven't read anything about a vig claim etc, so obviously this is subject to change. I have some thoughts on other players too, but need to see how the relationships develop post-Night1. | ||
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Thats some hardcore tunneling right there. Lets think about this. Being gf is PERMISSION to infiltrate town and spew false leads OR sit back and lutk hoping fot a check. Now from what i have gathered so far. Xsksc has done neither. Vivax hasnt liked him from the start due to phrasing. Djo didnt like him due to grammar. Do u guys have a legitimate reason to tjink scummy of this chap or simply considering him because u dont like him. This game isnt popularity contest. Its about huntin scum. Btw. If im scum i woulda had a nice synopsis waiting for me in the qt. Instead i have to read 90 fucking pages in 24hrs so i can get us off this stupid mislynch. Cut me some slack here. It is a lot to read | ||
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Please satisfy my curiosity. If we are indeed in a game with 1 Miller + 2 Vig; what are the % chances of this being rolled in C9++/this game setup options) I was under the impression 2 Vigs in one game is harder to achieve than 1 vig, 1 dt? Correct? | ||
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If there are more chances for VCC than VVVC (i.e. 1vig, 1 dt >> 2vig, 1 dt); how are the "probabilities not so different"? And call me out as newbie or scum or whatever if you want, but I dont see why you claiming vig makes you confirmed town. AFAIK, if I wasnt cop checked, i COULD claim vig too (before prome did) and then what.. im confirmed town too. Either way, im still catching up; and work is an absolute bitch today too. Will answer iamp question to me when I read the thread, prob aiming to be finished in say 12hrs. | ||
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Im at work, i cant read the thread and make notes; so i havent read single post between night1 and when i joined in. If you want to lynch for for that whatever; im starting to get pissed everyone is expecting a read, when I clearly said I had to start this game from p1; and joined at fuckn 11pm with a 7am deadline. If you want a smart-arse answer, my strongest town read is me; I know my role pm; and its green as per my check. As for an additional two, Im just goign to have to get back to you when i get back to you. | ||
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I need the following to be stated now however. I can now understand the doubts concerning me. Let me make this clear, I have no qualms with anyone for having wanted to lynch me due to the past 3 or so (real life) days. Xsksc content completely dropped off the planet, and it is reasonable to assume it was scum motivated lurking. I ask you give me a chance to prove my role; and also to consider Hapa activity dropped off the face of the planet as well prior to being lynched. Lastly, take this as WIFOM if you want, but consider one of my first posts when entering the game (without reading it yet) On January 31 2013 22:51 Mocsta wrote: On January 31 2013 22:45 Promethelax wrote: Moc: c'mon and show me how townie you are or possibly how scummy you are, I'll accept either. You replace into this game with a green check on you though, if you use that to do nothing I will policy lynch you forever <3. Not that it means anything, but that green check aligns with my role PM. Compare the above to the below: Obviously I still need to prove my innocence by actions, not WIFOM. Reads to follow below. | ||
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Yamato Some have referenced Yamato poor play the last time we was Miller. I am unfamiliar with those games, so will judge the play based on what we have currently. Overall, disappointing. I know Yamato as a pig-headed active player when town, and have not seen that in this game. For my first read, he has been pretty non-existent. I also read his last minute action to derail the Jay lynch as (potentially) scum motivated. Due to the Miller Confirmed Town status, it would be pretty easy for Yamato to sneak in, shit up the thread, cause confusion over scum votes in the lynch and walk away unscathed due to Miller claim. I dont really see any town benefits/motivations to why he came in the way he did. I would like Yamato response to his actions during the Day2 lynch; based on what we have currently i will support his lynch. Vivax I have a town read on this guy. By his behaviour/actions, and the DT check. Vivax was semi-actively pursuing me as a target Night1; and suddenly drops it. I can also understand the shock of receiving the green check, and hence the confirmation bias to insinuate Godfather. Xsksc subsequent inactivity only confounded matters. iamperfection Frankly, I do not like his style, and read him as null maybe leaning town. I didnt read too much into initiating the Thrawn bandwagon either. I think it started off as a light comment, and then due to continued inactivity, became the bandwagon it did. HOWEVER, considering the vets (Prome/WBG/SS etc) read iamperfection as confirmed town and know him better than I do, I am willing to consider him as leaning town or maybe probably. If you think its a cop out, then fuck you; 3 vets (2 confirmed town) in a 13 player game saying 1 guy is town, probably means that guy is town. I am comfortable admitting this as a heuristic. Promethelax I liked him Day1; and felt he really disappeared Day2, which was really making me doubt him. But knowing about the Night2 vig hit, I can def see him as confirmed vigilante. The way he responded regarding Djodref claim was really clever, and tried to bait as much information as possible. Also the way he revealed the hit, was proper vigilante style. (i.e last minute of night). If there is only one vig, I would bet my VT life on prome being that guy. Hence confirmed town. Djodref As he said, he is not mafia. I am also leaning away from town. His vig claim was suboptimal, and most importantly he was asking others for who to hit, on the proviso of "being pro-town to stimulate discussion". I thought the overall concept of the vig was to take out lurkers or hard to reads. The fact that he didnt care who was hit, is a nice way to absolve him of guilt if a townie was hit (as was the case). I would love to put more time to Djodref to firm up my opinion. Ultimately I have to agree with Vivax: I think town best interest is to lynch mafia today, and deal with Djodref the following day. JieXian I dont know where I stand with him. I dont like his filter and would need a filter dive to get a better feel. From what I recall he hasnt contributed much to this game, and I think his ?sole? case was on Jay. His main good point to me is that he was second on the Thrawn bandawgon, is that he asked Djo to be accountable for the NK shot. But I guess that is actually null. If one of Djo targets was mafia, or Jx; he had every reason to make this request. | ||
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The reason I dont want to lay a vote for him yet is for 3 reasons (1) Its still early into Day3, and there is more opportunity to probe around. I find early day bandwagons also have a habit of self-destructing (especially when the argument.. but no one opposed the lynch is unleashed) (2) I have just read 80 or so pages, in about 7 hrs. My mind is still digesting everything I have read. The above is my current gut feel, and some aspects may change when I start filter diving & (3) I would really like Yamato feedback on why he chose to enter the Day2 lynch the way he did (i.e. disruptive play etc etc) | ||
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I can understand why you would like them addressed; however - As stated in the paragraph I wrote for you; scum is the priority for today. You are not scum; thus, discussions revolving you are not pertinent at this stage. Again, as specified above, my vote is leaning towards Yamato, I want to hear his input to my commentary first though. | ||
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The above still stands true (not worth exploring) | ||
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(1) Im not against the concept of two vigis. I am more so stating, if there was one vigi; Prom >>> Djodref. For me though, based on the thread, I am not going to auto-assume Djodref is town. i think it was prom that summed it up succinctly. The actions don't align strongly with town motivations. Something is odd. To pinpoint that, I would have to filter dive, and that just isnt a valuable use of time this cycle. (2) (This is the last I will speak of SK for this cycle) I haven't played SK, but I *assume* theory wise, it would have been a good idea not to shoot someone every night; In my head I thought the strength of an SK is stealth? I would treat it almost as a godfather role and try to be a confirmed town, but not a town leader (to avoid mafia KP). (3) With JX, i agree my read is conflicted - I admitted that in the read too. But I do not think I attributed any of his play as town motivated? I called it null (at best). The problem i have with JX is.. reading through the thread (in short duration) nothing of him sticks out. Hes simply not memorable. In my opinion, many of the posts he has made were fluff; or defending himself (weakly). I cant recall him pushing anything of value; and his ?sole? case I can remember was a case on Jay. (Checked filter, was actually Vivax). The case was shite. If I was to sum his key contribution, it was his joke regarding the Kruger effect On January 31 2013 01:40 JieXian wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect But does this infer being scum? If we didnt have so many confirmed town, i would call JX null. And would do a deep filter dive. However, with so many confirmed town, and having to have two scum left (and confident on Yamato as one); JX is my next scummiest read, and by default becomes leaning scum. I am comfortable with this as a heuristic. | ||
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On February 01 2013 23:30 iamperfection wrote: i find it hilarious that moc doesn't like my style. That post exemplifies my thoughts to a tee hahha Just because I dont like your style doesnt mean I cant see you as town.. just makes it harder for me to have a strong read. Take it with a grain of salt, no one respects my reads anyways. | ||
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the intent of the post is pretty clear if u doubt something specific let me know so i can address it to you personally | ||
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you were actually being semi-hospitable this game. If you think im scum, go and make your case. Use xsksc filter if you have to. Otherwise, stop slinging shit around. My read is Yamato, why am I going to pressure two guys simultaneously. If your such a guru at mafia like your think you are (let me reference Kruger effect again for you), you would realise you push one guy at a time. So fuck off. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:31 JieXian wrote: In that case I must be missing something. Please explain Extrapolate. You have asked me a question. You have stated rhetoric. | ||
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*haven't asked me a question* | ||
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The intention of the post was.. I found xsksc behaviour badly timed as well. He did link a news article stating why his internet was down; but, regardless, I could see why people thought he was scum enough to consider green check as Godfather. I was also asking for people to give me a chance to prove my innocence; instead of condemn me due to the actions of an inactive. If you read the post, you would realise this was the first thing I commented on. Instead you are asphyxiated on the WIFOM statement, that I indeed claim is WIFOM. I even say that doesnt make me innocent, so again, its completely stupid your even questioning the post. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:39 Djodref wrote: Vivax is town. He is my strongest townread right now. So.. where does that leave Prome, your supposed "clone" | ||
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Its a tough one.. It almost seems unnatural how many times he has received DT. I cant see a reason to do a gambit of Fake DT -> Fake check = green & then push as godfather Even if for whatever reason Vivax was trolling and decided to test this theory out.. The shock he expresses post Night 1 is pretty genuine. I dont think that can be faked. He was really conflicted. After the check, xsksc started becoming inactive (very convenient) so it was natural for Vivax to question this. So, to answer your question. I dont see how the cons outweight the pros of this move if faked. Vivax is DT, Vivax is town. | ||
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I cant believe he thinks me n Vivax are a scum team bussing each other. There was nothing to gain at that point in time. and everything to lose if scum motivated. Bussing Thrawn made some sense if he was such a liability as others stated. But why bus the 2nd member of a 3 man team, when your already one man down. THATS STUPID PLAY. ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:57 Djodref wrote: What do you think about Vivax now ? Do you see there is no way for him to be scum ? Your doing a lot of mediating. Time to reverse roles please. You have said your piece on Vivax, but thats a pretty easy read to give due to straight forward logic. JX said iamp is his only confirmed town. What is your read on iamp; and what do you make of JX statement ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:01 JieXian wrote: No. What if Vivax is scum with yamato and claimed for townie credit ?? On February 02 2013 00:52 JieXian wrote: He definitely didn't claim to protect himself at that moment, obviously. It was to protect xsk. Of course he wants to lynch/bus xsk. He's been bringing up the possibility of a GF for every other time he mentions that xsk is green. I already said how I found that very scummy. pretty clear your referring to scum team as me + vivax | ||
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I will reciprocate once you do. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344¤tpage=99#1972 | ||
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Why would scum kill EZ instead of DT? *This same problem just arose its head in Mafia LIX as well* | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:17 JieXian wrote: Besides, I now have stronger reads on Djo and mocha Djo is most definitely NOT sk its mocsta. Why is Djo not SK? dont just make a rhetoric, add fact and logic. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:20 Djodref wrote: I think still think iamp is town, but I'm less sure that before. I don't understand why he doesn't want to answer my questions right now. From my point of view, things are easy, we have two scum among iamp, JieXian, Mocsta and yamato. We lynch the scummiest. It's yamato. hmm im not that satisfied with the answer, but in hindsight the question was worded too loosely, so thats my own fault. As for Yamato, I dont have a problem with his lynch, I already stated that. My problem with JX and the reason the vote went his way is due to his thought process. Its inconceivable someone that has been involved in this game from Day Dot could be having the sentiments he is sharing. I just came into the game and feel like I know more about the status quo of the game than JX. Now JX is not a stupid guy; he is friends with Toad, and I doubt Toad would suffer fools. So if JX is not stupid; but is clearly demonstrating faulty logic regarding basics (and so late into the game) I think its safe to conclude he doesnt actually care about the game.. isnt this scum motivation? Tie this in with him rarely having strong opinions throughout the whole game, and barely making cases/reads throughout the whole game; and again, a consistent lack of not caring. I think this makes him a pretty strong scum read (as opposed to my previous leaning); the thing yamato has in my mind that takes precedent over JX is his shitting up the Day 2 lynch. I still want an answer to what he was expecting to achieve if it was town motivated. But for now, im content with the vote on JX. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:23 Djodref wrote: Hey ! Why I am SK ? Don't just say it for free, add quotes and evidence. Because I'm Vigilante. I didnt call you SK. I said I dont "auto-assume" you are town. Two completely different things. Stop being over-defensive. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:27 iamperfection wrote: He is not moc and yamato are but they have claims and checks show me what setup we are in djo Riddle me this. (in general) What is a stronger heuristic for you (for a scum read) The miller claim or the dt green check | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:31 JieXian wrote: He was obviously paying a lot of attention to the game, making his reads, making sure town do the right thing, etc. If he's SK he's playing well However I cannot say the same for Djo as I did with Vivax because Djo does play well, but I'm sticking to my current read until things change. On February 02 2013 00:02 JieXian wrote: I stopped Djo from shooting my null and town reads. Djo's targets are dead and they all flipped town. ??? So your idea of town doing the right thing is... having targets flip town? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:33 JieXian wrote: I really hate to hurt my pride mochsta but I've been in 3 townie games Twice I made it to the end Once I was shot D1 and everyone was saying that it was a stupid shot. well, i dont think your stupid; regardless, your comment above does not account for the lack of "passion" in your thread. May I ask why iamp is your most confirmed town read? Is this your sole reason? On January 30 2013 19:23 JieXian wrote: Iamp, looks like town to me, I've never played with him before but he also posts the same way in Cheesecake, lots of 1-2 liners. What stand out is his tunnel on thrawn D1 followed by this post He's not even trying to claim townie credits were he scum, for bussing thrawn. Or has your read developed further as the game progressed? | ||
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The question was in general. I believe at the start of the thread, it was discussed miller is about 40% likely. Hence, false miller claim can be countered about 60% of the time? Correct? If you think green check is worth less than miller claim, you think the likelihood of a green check being scum (in general), would be >>60% of the time? Correct? As in....you think that the chance of GF being in the game is greater than 60%?? & By corollay: if Miller is present, all green DT checks are essentially moot (as worth less than the miller claim) So if Vivax checked you, and you were green.. we could all state on your heuristic you are the Godfather If we extend this to my situation. If you are going to sit here and continue to accuse me of being the godfather, go ahead and make a case. Regardless of xsksc inactivity (which he explained in full), judge me by my content - I have been contributing enough this cycle for a read IMHO. If you dont think I have been open and transparent; if you dont think I have been trying to spark conversation; if you dont think I am scum hunting with logic; log your vote my way, but dont forget to build that case. Otherwise, accept I am a VT; and continue the scum hunt. | ||
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On February 02 2013 02:01 Promethelax wrote: I've been working under the assumption that one V us a single shot vig here and VV is two single shot viggies. if we're at VVMC (which I doubt) we'd theoretically have TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer but if we have a serial killer we're only at VMC which has TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker in all likelyhood this set-up is VVC vs. TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker so final set-up would be 2 one shot vigs 1 one shot cop 7 VTs vs 2 goons 1RB which means Moc is confirmed town if yamato flips scum. We obviously have no doc because anyone not protecting EZ last night is a fucking retard. EZ was the only scum shot in this town and he/they were obvious townies. Thats why your the coach. This make pretty fuckn good sense to me (in particular with the medic comment) ##Unvote ##Vote: yamato77 | ||
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If Yamato is scum, and im cleared as VT for the 2nd time in the game (DT check + your role setup above) Are you preferring JX or iamp as 2nd scum? (i know previously you said order is yam > jx > me); but knowing im green may have changed that equation. | ||
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Gotcha; 25% is relatively safe. With that type of probability I will mention some WIFOM that was previously raised (without as much context) [When this game started Marv was already mayor in Mafia LIX.] - new context I dunno about you, but if I was mayor I would want to keep playing that game to 100% capabilities (esp. if also playing Mafia: MTG). I can see 25% chance of counter, being a scum gambit to go into late game, with minimal effort. I understand the above is pure WIFOM and isnt a reason to vote Yamato (thats based on his very scummy play). I was just commenting that it makes sense for the claim from a scum POV too. | ||
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its saturday today; so prob wont be back for 12-18hrs. Either way, im happy consolidating on Yamato. | ||
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On February 02 2013 08:53 Vivax wrote: I'm sheeping then. Got to say I feel a little scared. My thoughts after reading the overnight interplay between: Yamato & Prome/iamp. [list[ [*] It would have been ad-hominem if Yamato actually presented an argument - however he didn't so it was pure insults. [*] At first I was scared too, but the Prome/iamp insults of Yamato read almost as if a planned tag team. [*] However, when I think about it, if Yamato was town, wouldnt he be trying his best to prove his innocence? Wouldnt he be trying his best to explain those Day2 lynch actions. Wouldnt he be trying his best to aid town scumhunt by building a case to his scum target.[/list] My only concern for Yamato (and this applies to any lynch candidate today) is, if SK is alive I think we are in MYLO. Gotta go. | ||
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On February 02 2013 08:53 Vivax wrote: I'm sheeping then. Got to say I feel a little scared. On February 02 2013 10:43 Mocsta wrote: My thoughts after reading the overnight interplay between: Yamato & Prome/iamp.
My only concern for Yamato (and this applies to any lynch candidate today) is, if SK is alive I think we are in MYLO. Gotta go. On February 02 2013 12:32 iamperfection wrote: Your not thinking very hard me and prom didn't plan that exchange since we know prom isn't mafia. why.aren't you using critical thinking tools? This is just an outright fuckn weird post. So Prome is not mafia; hence you couldnt plan that exchange? Where the fuck does that leave you? Very oddly phrased reference to scum QT, and I am genuinely surprised Vivax is not all over that as a massive scum slip. P.S. I actually said "read almost as if a planned tag team". Quite an over reaction from you iamperfection. Im still consolidating on Yamato, but its a fuckn weird post regardless. Why aren't you using critical thinking tools? Please enlighten me on what you think I should be doing? I think it is valid to scrutinise this lynch based on a present SK creating a MYLO situation (Due to numerical advantages evaporating). | ||
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On February 02 2013 18:26 Djodref wrote: @ JieXian Would you oppose a mass claim ? Why should a mass claim actually mean anything. There has been so much setup speculation, its easy to lead town up the garden path and then swallow the "Red" pill. | ||
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On February 02 2013 17:17 JieXian wrote: I believe he made an honest mistake with ghost K, Ghost agreed. What of the others.. *all flipped town* infers multiple people.. Do you think they were honest mistakes as well? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:39 Mocsta wrote: May I ask why iamp is your most confirmed town read? Is this your sole reason? On January 29 2013 12:31 yamato77 wrote: Yes, iamp, I totally want to sheep your opinion of people based on who annoys you in the game. On January 29 2013 12:45 iamperfection wrote: you do realize thrawn annoyed me the most so thats why i killed him right[/hr] On January 30 2013 19:23 JieXian wrote: Iamp, looks like town to me, I've never played with him before but he also posts the same way in Cheesecake, lots of 1-2 liners. What stand out is his tunnel on thrawn D1 followed by this post He's not even trying to claim townie credits were he scum, for bussing thrawn.[/hr] Or has your read developed further as the game progressed? On February 02 2013 17:24 JieXian wrote: That was the most telling one. I can't find anything nearly as strong to argue for xsk or yamato. I mean they were basically not around at all @JieXian This is my interpretation of how the Thrawn lynch initiated (if you want to take iamp as the catalyst) - technically EZ voted first. On February 01 2013 20:04 Mocsta wrote: iamperfection I didnt read too much into initiating the Thrawn bandwagon either. I think it started off as a light comment, and then due to continued inactivity, became the bandwagon it did. Do you think otherwise? You were in the moment, I wasn't; perhaps it felt like he was a genuine catalyst as opposed to being cheeky; perhaps that why you were the first to join the vote. If it was a light comment that then turned into a lynch:
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On February 02 2013 18:55 Djodref wrote: I want to know for sure if we have a GF or a SK. And I doubt that would be the case if everybody claims VT. It could definitively clean you for example ^^ Im not interested in being cleared by setup speculation. So thanks but no thanks. Anyways, whats stopping anyone that is unconfirmed (e.g iamperfection) from claiming VT; you then think there is no SK; but in fact he is SK (i used this as an example.. im not inferring he is SK) Unless you have been bullshitting something in the setup speculation to try and catch someone somewhere, I see this campaign by you as fruitless and non-committed attempts to scum hunt. As an aside; I am used to seeing well constructed cases by you, both aesthetic and meaningful. This game seems different, the case(s) were list heavy, points not extrapolated; if anything, a general lack of care. In fact, I am not even sure if the cases you have shared meet your definition of a case, as detailed to xsksc. Do you disagree? | ||
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Going out for dinner, c u @ lynch deadline. | ||
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On February 02 2013 21:33 iamperfection wrote: Im vt On February 01 2013 00:05 iamperfection wrote: i can do whatever i want prom I'm the nerfed innocent child remember, Can someone fill me on in the joke here? Whats a nerfed IC? Isnt IC miller? | ||
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im really struggling to follow from MafiaWiki "An Innocent Child is a player who is mod-confirmed as Town-aligned at the start of the game. " Is the joke that your town play is like IC (i.e. sarcasm) Or is the joke, the reference in general to Prom? (I ask, because for whatever reason no one corrected my IC -> Miller misunderstanding) | ||
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translation: Mocsta = replacement; Im an instant nerf in any game | ||
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Any point declaring DAy4 lynch candidates? or just wait and see if SK arises, and trust whoever is left can figure out the perfect plan? | ||
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Just when I was starting to feel better about him too. | ||
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Was not expecting that. hmm mafia kp hit bp sk.. Or no kp used? I thought sk woulda shot to gain numbets advantage so leaning towards no shot to feign hitting sk | ||
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How does medic fit into that schema? + I thought medic would have made effort to save EZ (which wasnt the case). Which is why im still leaning back to either
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Specifically if he was 1-shot cop that already used power, he is now a VT (a la Vivax); there is nothing to hide from claiming (esp. when requested by EZ) and later again by Djo. Also On February 04 2013 07:58 JieXian wrote: Djo and Mochsta look like they may very well lynch iamp and I'd still have a chance if I were to test my luck with that, especially with the possibility of there being an SK The phrasing of this is completely off. Town dont want a chance to test luck. They want to prove innocence.(e.g. look at my reaction when Djo trying to confirm me via setup speculation; "Thanks but no thanks"). This to me just stinks of scum. So im sticking with JX being scum for this lynch. If SK is present deal with it Day5. ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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On February 04 2013 09:06 Vivax wrote: If the last scum dies and we don't win then SK is confirmed. Agreed. Im still leaning on JX as scum (as per post above) Will do a filter dive tonight, but hopefully JX puts in more of an effort this cycle regardless. | ||
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Im bored and asking this for the sake of having something new to read when I press F5. What do you make of Iampefection concerns regarding your setup speculation (top of p107) | ||
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I must have improved Prome, I feel like since I joined a lot of your posts are just re-summarising what I have been stating. Im not disputing your a stronger player; just wanted a chance to gloat we appear on the same page As an aside, im not sure how your logic double clears me? | ||
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Since this JX lynch looks set; and we have 44hrs to pass before the cycle is over; @Iamperfection any reason why you consider Prom potential SK? Is it just your keeping eyes open to all possibility, or have you noticed something that is inconsistent with his (town-ish) approach? | ||
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##Vote: 12 hour day cycle (and if not possible) 24hour day cycle & On February 04 2013 13:47 Promethelax wrote: Mocsta? maaaaaaaaaaaybe, but that would be a shit kill for mafia. They need the stronger townies dead and, no offense little buddy, you aren't one. Please remember "Will you take me to the Prom" It aint all about the size of the boat but about the motion in the ocean | ||
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On February 04 2013 14:11 Promethelax wrote: I'm not sure what you implying. You have a small penis? I'm sorry man. haha that made me laugh out loud. But dont be sad; its OK most women I know, would prefer sea food over horse meat any day Or taking it to the next level, with the standard retort to small dick jokes. nice of U to notice, so U a f a g or something ? | ||
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JX is in my timezone, so its safe to argue hes avoiding the thread. (Mind you if I only had phone access @ day, I would be hesitant to write up a defense on the phone - but that is irrelevant) Outcome Im really really bored, and no other mafia games to read  | ||
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But, you are my former coach, and its probably a good thing to do (to avoid the whole jampidampi/Sylencia thing again). K, will give a thought process read later tonight. Too hard to filter dive @ work. | ||
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I already disputed JieXian 1-shot cop. | ||
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Started with Yamato to look for associations and found this pearler. Doesn't help the situation but funny as all fuck. | ||
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since you are here. Why do you think Yamato barely references you in his filter? In fact, there are only two posts in his filter that reference either "JieXian" or "JX" (or variant) (1) On January 28 2013 07:34 Sharrant wrote: ... Djodref is still null for me, and JieXian is pretty much my wildcard scum read. If it doesn't end up being Prom/VE/EmileZola I would expect JieXian to be in the team. On January 28 2013 10:30 yamato77 wrote: ... When I see a player give out this many null/potentially scum reads in one post, my scumdar goes off. ... This reads hugely noncommittal. He doesn't take a strong stance even on one of the players he considers to be part of his hypothetical scum team, he just waffles and says "I need to hear more from him." He's also amazingly fluffy throughout his filter. I'd be up for lynching him tomorrow. Interesting, Sharrant accuses JX of being scum wild card. Remember who incessantly tunneled Sharrant? Why of course, Yamato77. (2) On February 02 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote: Well I can tell you one of Djo/Prom is SK. Prom far more likely, given that he waited until N2. But there won't be another shot until it wins him the game, so you should just lynch him. Mafia could be any 2 out of you/Mocsta/JX at this point. Mocsta least likely. Let me ask you, what have you done since lynching thrawn d1? This statement is just a summary of the thread status quo at the time. i.e. as everyone else was "confirmed" the remainder is Mocsta/iamperfection/JX, this actually provides nothing new to the thought process. Henceforth, I think its safe to say, Yamato77 never referenced you in the game. Those two posts actually are not directed to you in any way, shape or manner. If we consider that Yamato went out of his way to tunnel VE & Sharrant, and also respond to all other participants (except you). @JieXian Why do you think Yamato made a special effort not to reference you? | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:22 JieXian wrote: @Djo : My only confirmed town read is iamp, unsure about the rest. & now On February 04 2013 19:41 JieXian wrote: I want to lynch iamp today. Quite a stark change in read. How did this transition occur? | ||
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On January 30 2013 19:00 JieXian wrote: I wasn't sure about Sharrant earlier, especially since he has only 2 pages of filter but what sticks out to me is: I don't think scum will bother posting that wall of text (not that he doesn't have a point) about VE if he was going to be shot anyway Apparently you defended him because you got a cop check on him? These are the subsequent posts in your filter: Ctrl+F "Sharrant" On January 30 2013 19:02 JieXian wrote: If either Sharrant or Jay want's to lynch me for lurking they'd have to look at the number of pages in their own filter compared to mine and proceed to lynch themselves first. Sounds to me, your having a dig @ Sharrant, even though hes meant to be confirmed town? On January 30 2013 19:32 JieXian wrote: If not for the miller claim we might be all over Yamato because he has only 2 pages of filter, like Sharrant. Problem is, Prom claims he had played like this before (uninvolved) as miller so he's in the same safe boat as Djo atm. Again having a dig @ Sharrant, but apparently he is confirmed town? When are you proposing he is GF.. your not! Then you have the case against Vivax http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344¤tpage=66#1310 Oddly enough, you decide to defend Sharrant here (even though you just been digging into him the past 2 posts) Vivax points on you pretty much confirm you as scum anyways. Key Points
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Thats why your the coach, and get paid the E-sports bucks. | ||
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Will take it regardless. | ||
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But whatevs. | ||
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On February 04 2013 21:37 Promethelax wrote: Why is it a good pick-up? What does it mean? Are you still sure JX is the last scum? Don't just +1 something. Explain what has changed about your reads to me. On February 04 2013 20:31 Vivax wrote: Mocsta would be the first SK to choose cop immunity. So he's confirmed now. On February 04 2013 20:46 Mocsta wrote: Touche: Good pick up Promenade Thats why your the coach, and get paid the E-sports bucks. Your seriously over-reacting. For me, because Im VT, I never considered that I could get green check due to SK. What you said is valid logic. Hence "good pick up". Its pretty straight forward what I wrote, and your not misconstruing it, but you are definitely over reacting. | ||
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I want to doubt him. The lack of opposition again is always scary. But then again no one opposed Yamato either. Some of the things we said could be interpreted as town-ish, but then when i filter dive, it comes unstuck each time. e.g.
So to answer your question: JX has made a semi-compelling defense & I have tried to review his findings as openly as I could. However, the story just does not stand up to close scrutiny. P.S. when a medic makes a save; I believe both KP recipient, KP originator & medic all receive save notification. Hence, cop would be the only blue role he can claim, as this is the only role that does not notify additional person(s). But still woulda been an awesome mindfuck in the future, to claim medic save on scum, and withhold shot. Will have to log that into the memory banks | ||
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On February 04 2013 22:11 Promethelax wrote: oh, that is what you thought was a good pick up? We need to talk post game. The fact that vivax had a derp and forgot who you were is one thing. Quite another that he is sure the game will continue after this lynch. [fluff] I forgot to add your quote where you said I could be SK,but yeah, sounds like you got what i meant. & Im all ears for post-game chat. Hopefully I am applying myself differently than to when you coached me. | ||
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Need to stop. | ||
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Is Vivax referring to an after this lynch time a scum claim? [quote] I interpreted as, Vivax believes SK exists, so when scum JX is lynched, game is not concluded. [quote]multiple one-shot cops are possible. According to Toad. [/QUOTE] does not change the fact that the behaviour does not meet the role. As I stated earlier to JX, he had many chances to claim (essentially since Day 2), and was requested directly by Djo and EZ; he chose not to. This is exacerbated when Sharrant is coming under heat throughout Day2 and Night2; you (Prom) even directly mention a vig choice between Yamato/Sharrant. He keeps his mouth shut. Yes the dual one-shot cop is possible; but it certainly did not role that way this game. | ||
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On February 04 2013 23:18 Promethelax wrote: Is Vivax referring to an after this lynch time a scum claim? I interpreted as, Vivax believes SK exists, so when scum JX is lynched, game is not concluded. multiple one-shot cops are possible. According to Toad. does not change the fact that the behaviour does not meet the role. As I stated earlier to JX, he had many chances to claim (essentially since Day 2), and was requested directly by Djo and EZ; he chose not to. This is exacerbated when Sharrant is coming under heat throughout Day2 and Night2; you (Prom) even directly mention a vig choice between Yamato/Sharrant. He keeps his mouth shut. Yes the dual one-shot cop is possible; but it certainly did not role that way this game. | ||
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is Spaghetticus from Newbie 34; he checked zarepath and still included him in his lynch target to try and hide that he was a cop. But then this is moot due to one-shot nature. He is now a VT; so no reason to hide the claim; and he certainly didnt lure out a RB via pretending to be multi-shot cop (a la Vivax). So this defense doesnt apply and all past points remain. He can not be cop. I know im beating the same bush, but figured its good practice for critical thinking. | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:35 JieXian wrote: (1) Never once did I say anything close to "Sharrant is scum" (2) Why counter claim? 2 cops are perfectly possible. (1) Therein lies the problem. Who is scum to you JX? Your filter has a marked lack of actual scum hunting; you thrown iamp name in recently, based on what? He was your only confirmed town, and now you are recommending him for lynch? On what grounds? Your good mate Toad, says, early game, dont discuss town reads. For mafia, they know the town reads and dont have to lie - its easy; its much harder for mafia to build a case against someone they know is town. So yes, you didn't say Sharrant is scum; but you stood up for him, and then suggested you would be comfortable with his lynch due to his low page filter count. Thats not normal for a cop check. (2) Counter claim has already been discussed in subequent posts (i.e. You are a VT, and can confirm a townie to prevent their mislynch, or mis-vig.... if you actually checked Sharrant and cleared him.. Prome coulda used the bullet on Yamato. Why did this situation NOT occur? | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:39 JieXian wrote: You posted a whole lot of stuff splashing doubt on him. I wanted to lynch you after yamato but I changed my mind. LOL.. i see. Iamp is on the money. you defend, but suggest noone else, cant even mount a case on iamp yourself. | ||
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I didnt accuse iamp of anything. I asked you to think about it and share your thoughts. You have not. | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:46 JieXian wrote: dude I was explaining why I had more to gain as scum if I had claimed VT........ I dont think claiming VT has anything to do with that post. its targeting two specific issue, neither of which explains why you did not claimed VT. | ||
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On February 05 2013 01:26 JieXian wrote: Let me bold the correct part: WOW.. that changes EVERYTHING ##Unvote: JieXian | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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JX vt claim wouldnt have helped with me. The only reason i tossed iamp into the equation was to promote some discussion. I was sold on u when we had the logic debate before yamato was lynched. I just needed to make sure i didnt tunnel. Good effort toughing it out. Takes guts | ||
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I noticed Prom/iamp were just bagging you out straight. I was talking to you cos i was trying to find more and more stuff for you to unravel yourself with; in hindsight, it was incriminating enough, perhaps if i just said. vote. your scum, may have conceded earlier. | ||
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Im happy I could aid towns scum hunt then | ||
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When i signed up i think the lynch was brtween yam and me/you. I think i established myself pretty quick so we could consolidate on yam. Obv the check helped. Hopefully u sign for the next one. | ||
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