Because shar is a useless lurker who hasn't said anything in 24 hours? when he comes back I'll ask him some questions if I have anything to learn from him.

EZ: I'm not set-up expert but every normal c9++ set up I've seen recently has three scum and many have an sk (it should be 50 percent but I've seen a lot of sks). We have some blues. Based on the Roleblocker flipping we at least three letters of blues. Both miller and one shot vig are one letter roles so we have a minimum of one more blue. The only c9++ I've seen with more than about four blues was yours Bugs. (why are you asking this? You know set-ups)

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January 29 2013 21:40 GMT

#1142

wat?
+ Show Spoiler +

WAT!?

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January 29 2013 21:41 GMT

#1143

In case that wasn't obvious you are an idiot. VE is not part of the hydra. Bugs and Supersoft are. The fuck are you saying?

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January 29 2013 21:47 GMT

#1145

why ez? why shar?

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January 29 2013 22:07 GMT

#1156

Don't worry super. I see. Thing is, do you think Vivax is scummy for not reading? If not why bring it up? Can you please get bugs to answer my question about why he had to ask about setup.

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January 29 2013 22:08 GMT

#1158

Also, super, could you provide a total list of EZ's consolidated reads. Trying to find what you guys think as a whole is incredibly difficult because you gives different reads in thread.

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January 29 2013 22:20 GMT

#1162

On January 29 2013 10:11 Promethelax wrote:
In order sharrent>JX>Hapa/yam>djo (???)

but now that you have replaced Haps he is out, I'm very wary of Yam/Djo but because of their claims I won't be pushing them for lynch. I prefer the noose on shar's neck to JX's. According to my notes though Shar said something really dumb that I thought might point towards him being town. I'm going to reread his filter and see what I can see. I think I'll be voting one of these two today. I still don't like lynching xscsk, his mentality is right.

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January 29 2013 22:31 GMT

#1166

I have seen a lot of newer town players do exactly what you suggest (while x isn't new he hasn't been around for a while) they care about themselves because they foolishly believe that they are important to town. Half the people in the thread believed your shitty claim. Me and EZ seem to be the only ones who seriously thought it made you the serial killer.

Okay, you have scumthrawn on your team. Scum thrawn lurks even more than usual. A lot of people in the game know thrawn (me, Hapa and Imp especially, I think all three of us are town and I'm sure that at least one of the two of them is) the only solution when scumthrawn plays scum like that is to bus his ass to kingdom come. If I was scum with him I'd have the first vote on him. I'd be pushing him to exclusion of all else. Thrawn needed to die for scum to have a chance. The longer he was around the worse position they were in, I'd bet a good part of the latter half of day one he was around but not posting because we were so set on lynching him.

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January 29 2013 22:42 GMT

#1173

Vivax, support your claim.

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January 29 2013 22:47 GMT

#1178

how did you not know that was what he was saying SS?

(also: which idiot keeps giving vivax dt powers?)

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January 29 2013 22:53 GMT

#1185

should we have a full claim do you think? Three blues have already outed themselves sub-optimally and it seems possible that other blues are waiting in the shadows thinking 'oh well all these claims and me makes sense' but there are multiple guys doing the same thing.

Vivax: one shot or multi? I'm trying to figure out set-up

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January 29 2013 23:01 GMT

#1190

well that answers my question, thanks viv.

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January 29 2013 23:06 GMT

#1192

GREEN CHECK. You don't lynch him, find another target.

Look: either Vivax is scum fake-claiming to have a reason he is town later (and X is town) or Vivax is actually cop and checked X who came back green. We do not lynch X until one more mafia has flipped if that mafia is not GF we look at X again.

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January 29 2013 23:12 GMT

#1195

so why did you check xscsk?

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January 29 2013 23:25 GMT

#1201

I asked Toad about how he rolled the set-up and he said he couldn't tell me so all of this is pretty silly, however I'm a sucker for speculation so here goes:

Yamato claimed miller [M]
Djo claimed Vig [V]
Vivax claimed cop [C] (theoretically if he is multi shot cop this is CC but I'm sticking to one C for now)

Thrawn flipped Roleblocker which means 4T maximum.

If no other blues exist this means in a normal C9++ setup we'd have two goons and no sk. However Toad has not created a totally normal c9++ so draw your own conclusions.

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January 29 2013 23:33 GMT

#1207

On January 28 2013 18:56 Promethelax wrote:
I don't disagree about shar, I simply think we need to make djo confirm and pin down his target to us as a whole so that he cannot, tomorrow, say 'oh yeah I shot X instead of Y' in case of fake claims/djo scum/whatever. Djo needs to use his shot like a lynch since he had the stupidity (if town) to claim during night. Djo doesn't get to use his shot how he wants to, he gets to hit the guy most people think is scum. That guy is Ghost. Or at least Supersoft/VE/me all had him as scum and there aren't many others whose opinions I'd listen to in this game.

+ Show Spoiler [c9++ for JX] +

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B

VE: look who that idea exonerates: Shar, Ghost and Hapa. Shar has a town read on ghost and is therefore a wonderful lynch candidate tomorrow. Ghost needs to be shot tonight though.

inside the spoiler labeled: c9++ for JX

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January 29 2013 23:37 GMT

#1211

We all wish we could policy lynch for bad claims. Think it thourgh though bugs, there is one way this isn't a bad claim. I'm working under that assumption.

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January 29 2013 23:43 GMT

#1214

No, bugs, you aren't thinking. You are letting your anger at his play cloud your analytical skills. I can't spell it out for you because if I am right revealing it in thread is bad. Just sit back and think for a second before you get mad. Vivax's inflated sense of self-worth not withstanding there is a good reason for anyone to have claimed the way he did. Think about his role, his abilities and his check.

I'm not comfortable policy lynching him when there is a good (read:townie) explanation for his claim. Djo's is still worse.

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January 30 2013 00:59 GMT

#1250

On January 30 2013 09:58 Oatsmaster wrote:

VE-VE-VE-VOTECOUNT:

yamato77 ( 1 ): ~~jaybrundage~~. Jaybrundage
Sharrant ( 2 ): yamato77, ~~jaybrundage~~, Vivax
Xsksc ( 2 ): Iamperfection, ~~Vivax~~, ~~Djodref~~
jaybrundage ( 2 ): EmileZola, ~~Vivax~~, Djodref

With 11 people alive it takes 6 to lynch someone.

your math is questionable.