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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
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January 31 2013 16:54 GMT
#1778
He was playing like yamato basically
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JieXian
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January 31 2013 16:55 GMT
#1779
he was uninvoled, screaming shit, 0 arguments at all flinging labels.

Your arguments sucked but at least you tried
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JieXian
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January 31 2013 17:03 GMT
#1781
I cannot rationalise with your claim as I said. Link me some games with you as scum please

If not your your claim I'd probably have lynched xsk too, he belongs to the same group as jay and yamato. However he claims that his internet was out. He gets the BOTD.
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January 31 2013 17:03 GMT
#1782
for that matter, have you ever NOT claimed dt before?
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JieXian
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January 31 2013 17:07 GMT
#1784
You have a town read on him?

I'll be back after reading your games
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
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January 31 2013 17:08 GMT
#1786
4 games wtf? Only 1 scum game? more pls
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January 31 2013 17:20 GMT
#1789
you sure pissed me off

I'm trying to decide if you're scum and you want me to trust on your word? I need some games.

I'll decide who to lynch tomorrow. My townlist has reduced to only Sharrant, prom, EZ and iamp. Everyone else are candidates depending on what happens. For example, 2 people may die.

Shit you never know what happens, if yamato dies everything changes
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January 31 2013 17:24 GMT
#1791
quid pro quo
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January 31 2013 17:27 GMT
#1794
give me your scum games please
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:27 GMT
#1795
On January 30 2013 19:00 JieXian wrote:
I wasn't sure about Sharrant earlier, especially since he has only 2 pages of filter but what sticks out to me is:

I don't think scum will bother posting that wall of text (not that he doesn't have a point) about VE if he was going to be shot anyway

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On January 29 2013 07:29 Sharrant wrote:
Okay, here are my reads and a bit of a case.

Yamato
I'd say he's confirmed town, if he's still around at LyLo then we could have an issue but that's it.

IamPerfection
First townread of the game, pretty much confirmed. Posts don't feel constructed, and he's not giving off an air of discomfort, so even without his spot as conductor of the thrawn wagon he's got major townie points. The only thing that worries me is how sure he was that it was scum play from Thrawn, it's a niggling doubt but if Thrawn knew he wouldn't be around he might've told them to go for a very early bus. Until LyLo he should be treated as confirmed town.

Djodref
I can't see him being anything other than the vigi at this point, again, he's anotherperson to treat as confirmed town unless we start getting SK kills, or the game doesn't end after the scum's death, but that'd be such a risky play for an SK to make, there's just no payoff.


EmileZola
I did not like his early game at all, but he's been very townie lately to make up for it. Being a hydra makes a lot of sense, and seems to almost confirm him green.

Promethelax
Not my strongest read ever, but I'm fairly certain he's town. His recent posts have been pretty solid.

Vivax
Right out of the gates I had him as a strong townread with IamPerfection, but that's dropped off a little.

Ghost_403
I'm reasonably certain he's town. His thoughts have almost been bang on to what mine have been, I'm hesitant to put him as town until I hear his current thoughts on Hapahauli and Promethelax.

JieXian
Unsure about him, but other people are reading him as town, so that's a point for him above xsksc

xsksc
Unsure about him either, almost has to be scum by process of elimination if Hapahauli wasn't in the game still.

Hapahauli
There's not much to say about Hapa without trying to mindgame the hosts. Scummy/null.

VisceraEyes
I'm not going to make connection cases before his flip, but if there were ever a time to do that, I think it would be now.

The first thing that set me off was this post.

On January 26 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so far I think iamp is the scummiest. Earlier he asked me if I was serious about my accusation of thrawn. Looking back I noticed this in his filter.

On January 26 2013 09:47 iamperfection wrote:
On January 26 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote:
On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote:
That's good news! Marv is on town's side!


Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too.

##Vote: Vivax

was this a serious vote because if it is very weak

Vivax been very posty after having an avenue to not be with his pre game post.
I want to know if you actually think vivax is mafia when you get back.


On January 26 2013 11:20 iamperfection wrote:
your vote on vivax serious prom?


In this post he appears to be suspicious of prom for his vote on Vivax. What strikes me however is that if he's suspicious of Prom, he's basically telling Prom how to answer to make himself less suspicious. Why would he do this as a townie? As scum I can see reason for him to coach Prom through to the correct response regardless of Prom's alignment, but why would iamp do that as town? Especially given his response to my calling him out:

On January 26 2013 11:28 iamperfection wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
iamp do you have any opinions on what's going on or do you plan to uselessly ask people if "they're serious" all game?

Well if i told you how i think he would answer with regards to his alignment it would kind of defeat the purpose.


It would kind of at that.

##Vote: iamperfection


At this point I already had a huge townread on IamPerfection but VisceraEyes is trying to make him look scummy, and he is the only scum read he mentions all day. The closest he comes to another person being scummy, is saying he could lynch EmileZola because he's a troll and that he's okay with a policy lynch on Thrawn. (He does soft defend Hapa as well, but that's for after the flip)

On January 27 2013 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can do a thrawn vote too...consolidation-style.


Then the Thrawn bandwagon starts picking up steam, and suddenly VE can't even be bothered to mention people he thinks are scummy. He's entirely focused on how the wagon must be scum, but doesn't actually comment on who on the wagon might be scum.

On January 28 2013 03:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm still okay with the thrawn lynch, aside from the relative lack of opposition. No one seems to care if thrawn dies, which is never indicative of a good lynch. But this is minor, and it's still kinda early.


On January 28 2013 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone does....that doesn't give you pause at all?


Two posts not even 15 minutes apart, both giving the most meek defense I've ever seen. It's like he's trying to get the bandwagon off of Thrawn without his name being involved at all.


On January 28 2013 03:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because if there's no resistance that means that scum are okay with the lynch. Who are scum okay with lynching? Townies.

Like I said, it's early enough that it's not really that much of a concern, but I wanted to put that out there for anyone paying attention to that kind of thing. No one has spoken up in defense of thrawn yet - at least not that I've seen. This is something that should be considered.


"Hey, guys, third post about the Thrawn lynch being bad in 20 minutes. Boy, it sure is crazy how no one is defending him right? Right, guys? He's obviously townie."


On January 28 2013 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you. If you really wanna push this failwagon be my guest.


"I'm not going to argue, but it's a bad lynch"


On January 28 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not softdefending thrawn. I'm saying I don't like that there's no resistance to the wagon. I've said (multiple times) that I'm okay with a thrawn lynch. So whatever, keep trying to inject scumminess into my play however you wish yamato. It doesn't make me scum.


"I'm not soft defending Thrawn, I'm just saying this is a bad lynch for the fifth time in 20 minutes (Seriously, from 3:06 to 3:28 he posted 5 times about how Thrawn is most likely town). He's obviously town, you can tell by the lack of people resisting the wagon, but I'm okay with a thrawn lynch."

Pardon? You just spent 5 posts in a row saying he was town, the wagon is being lead by your ONLY SCUMREAD, and you are "okay" with the lynch?



On January 28 2013 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, there are now three votes on VE. You do the math Sharrant.

I'm pulling a thrawn. I've got a birthday party to go to, so I won't be back tonight. Figure it out guys.


"I don't even care enough to mention someone you should be voting before I leave."


On January 28 2013 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nono...I'll throw my weight behind thrawn.

##Unvote
##Vote: thrawn


"Oh, right, let me just hop on this wagon first."

How is that not deserving of an instant lynch since Thrawn flipped red? I don't want him vigged, I want him lynched. I want there to be as much discussion about this as possible.

So, quick recap here.

His ONLY SCUMREAD throughout all 48 hours of day 1 is a person that I think most people had easily meta-ed as town. He does no scum hunting beyond this, opting for two policy lynches. And then when one of them happens to be on scum, he defends him in 5 posts in 22 minutes and then says "I wasn't soft defending him". Then hops onto the wagon anyways.

If someone can rationalize this from a town perspective I would love to hear it, but all I see is VisceraEyes claiming scum, and everyone just looking elsewhere.



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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:29 GMT
#1796
prom is very sensible and I cannot find anything scummy in his filter at all.

Of course the problem is he always posts while I'm sleeping so feel free to prove me wrong.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:29 GMT
#1797
ok I'm going to stop answering until you give me your scum games
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:36 GMT
#1799
On February 01 2013 02:31 Vivax wrote:
LVIII and YANMM

Tell me: Don't you think it's a good idea to post a case against someone before his death?
I think it would be really good scum play.

You lose your only scum read, look like you contributed and keep all other options open for you to jump on the next day.


?? My options are always open for who I want to jump on

I already told you who I want to lynch
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:41 GMT
#1802
You telling me it's WIFOM?

I think scum won't bother doing that. IF sharrant is scum he gets 5 stars from me. Unlikely. Especially since he didn't bring it up to defend himself like

"GAIS I EVEN POSTED A CASE AGAINST VE WOULD SCUM BOTHER DOING DAT"

____________


I don't know yet.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:43 GMT
#1803
Can't see a difference between your scum play and your town play.......

can't find YANMM
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 17:52 GMT
#1805
I'll lynch sharrant if he gives me a strong enough reason to counter that night post
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JieXian
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January 31 2013 17:57 GMT
#1806
Vivax using your logic you'd have to lynch EZ for only having Yamato as red
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JieXian
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Malaysia4677 Posts
January 31 2013 18:02 GMT
#1807
On February 01 2013 02:41 Vivax wrote:
Seriously dude, you act like you're hiding all your intentions.

I got to pull the stuff out of your nose by spamming questions.

You're completely unwilling to share your thoughts, you don't care about what's going to happen tomorrow. You don't try to push your own preferences.


push my preferences? So you wanted me to ignore your question and go apeshit?
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JieXian
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January 31 2013 18:03 GMT
#1808
On February 01 2013 02:57 JieXian wrote:
Vivax using your logic you'd have to lynch EZ for only having Yamato as red


I'll be watching out for that it yamato dies
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JieXian
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January 31 2013 18:08 GMT
#1809
Ok since I'm going to sleep just look at my town games, LIX for example, I'm not the type who does huge writeups because I can't. It's not because I don't want to share. I told you what I thought about Sharrant in a heartbeat.

On January 23 2013 03:46 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2013 03:04 sandroba wrote:
@Oats I see you defended quite a bit of people already, but I don't really see who are your suspects. Can you please tell me who you think the mafia team might be with your reasoning?

@JX I think the same applies to you, can you do the same?


I honestly can't imagine what the mafia team might be doing at this stage because of all the possibilities and this being my first Normal game, only played minis before.

I have weak suspicions on a few people but I had something that stands out from debears. He's uninvolved like a few other people but I can't understand this at all and no one has given me an input yet:

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On January 22 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote:
Austin sorry your case just looked waaay weaker to me now that Bugs posted his argument against yours and I'm voting for 5touch >_>

On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote:
On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:
On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled.


He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What?


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On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:
On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:
On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:
On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:
On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:
On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba

If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.

If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.

Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.

I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah.

Vivax wtf kind of post is this?

Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise.

Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate.

This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you.

Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me.

I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time.

Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor?
Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours?
Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills.
Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia?

Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +
remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town
to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose?

You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats.


This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost.

His mayoral election run is a null tell

But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet.


Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town.

As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads



Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw

Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?

Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me


So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_>


I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now.



It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin.

I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum


I don't get this. Why?

___

I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that.


Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots.

Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads.

Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred


I don't know why you're worried at all, beacuse he doesn't have any votes for now and everyone seems to think he's too stupid to be mafia except for 1 person.

How could you have missed out the candidates with the highest number of votes : FiveTouch, Chezinu

I find that fake paranoia scummy.




For that matter you didn't answer what is YANMNM yet
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