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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2013 07:21 GMT
#21
I'm not even angry bro. Just don't want to be bugs when I grow up. If this town is bad I'll need a real break, so far the names are of players I know and like or have no reason to assume will be bad.

I think we'll manage though and this will be a town win and we will all bleed a happy green together.

Thrawn, promise me, if in a few years I'm cranky and mean but very good (bugs syndrome) please notify me.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 21 2013 07:31 GMT
#22
hmmmm... i think we have different perceptions of "angry" and "bad" and "good"
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 21 2013 07:55 GMT
#23
On January 21 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
hmmmm... i think we have different perceptions of "angry" and "bad" and "good"

yeah lol, same here :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2013 08:21 GMT
#24
Are we making fun of bugs? I'm in. Generally though why I mean is he is a guy I'd trust to find scum but has been so unhappy with towns ever since paranoia that he is actually making the town atmosphere worse while being a part of it. I'm afraid I'm becoming that guy.

This is my chance to inject fun back into the game for me. I love playing, I feel like I'm improving in a big way recently but while I get better the game gets less fun because of what lurky and useless town players have done to the game. I have felt cheated by my losses and I don't think I would feel rewarded by a win if I rolled scum. My hope is that this game will be high enough level for me to find joy in it and if I don't manage to enjoy it I'll be taking a break. I love normal minis and they are my crack but if this town lurks away a win I will be avoiding any game without the right player list.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 08:54:02
January 21 2013 08:52 GMT
#25
rofl. there is no way to make the town atmosphere worse!
it is actually ridicoulus that you dare to judge wbgs behaviour. it's impossible to win with some townplayers, a bad atmosphere cannot make it worse, since the game is already unplayable.
how ironic. the only guy who knows how to play correctly, tells the others to play correctly and is told he doesnt play correctly, since playing correctly doesnt include telling the others to play correctly hahaha
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2013 09:04 GMT
#26
I have a lot of respect for Bugs and his play. I feel that he has recently detracted from town atmospheres instead of adding to them and I feel a certain camaraderie with him for that; I'm getting burnt out on stupid and I think that is what has been happening to him (though I hate to speak for someone else).

I think YAN is a great example of this. Both Palmar and Bugs, as town, realized how shit the town was and half-assed their parts as townies. Their half ass was still better than anyone else in the game but it is hard for me as an up and coming player to watch the players I respect and look up to contribute to the problems they hate.

Bugs does know how to play correctly and that is why I expect so much more of him. He is one of those players whom I know to be good and I know to be better than they are showing in their recent town games (VE is another great example if we wanna talk about the trash that was lviii or marv, BC and Palmar in lviii) it pains me to see the guys who I believe to be above the bullshit fall in it. I expect a certain level of total shit (Morb and Eywa in YAN) but to have vets whom I respecct allowing that total shit to overwhelm them and detract from their own play is deeply demoralizing to me as a player in those games.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 09:22:21
January 21 2013 09:10 GMT
#27
prom... your examples are terrible. all these players didnt play bad in lviii...
these players were terrible:
Clarity_nl
Hopeless1der
HiroPro
froggynoddy
[UoN]Sentinel
iamperfection
Promethelax
Keirathi
Lazermonkey

they lynched bc day1

i edited VE out btw, since hes allowed to do that stuff.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2013 09:14 GMT
#28
Well yes, but it was that or vote a blatantly town Marv. As someone who replaced in with only a few hours of day one to read and think it became clear that Marv was the wrong lynch. Any counter wagon was better than that.

Look at that list and tell me that you expected better play from all of those guys. My point is that the top players are not playing their top games when shitty towns are shitty. I (totally unreasonably) expect better of them when I myself am unable to rise above shitty towns. Again lviii.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 21 2013 09:21 GMT
#29
i expect you to sheep palmar, wbg, bc, foolish, marv and me in a game like this.
and if 90% of us do something... well... i agree that marv is a terrible lynch, too... but if you sheep 90% of us, it is much harder for scum to do really wierd stuff... whatever... its probably not the right thread for that discussion...
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 09:26:01
January 21 2013 09:25 GMT
#30
It's worth noting that you shouldn't assume someone is a good player just because they complain about the level of play or more broadly the state of tlmafia. Nor should you assume a player who has been around long is a good player just by the virtue of being around for a long time; draw your own conclusions. Don't sheep someone just because they think highly of themselves.

There has been a recent trend of some "veterans" joining games, being inactive or playing poorly themselves and at the same time complaining about the level of play and doing nothing about it. If you join a game, fail to achieve anything, you probably didn't play well and should direct some of the criticism towards yourself. A lot of players ought to be more self-aware and less arrogant as in many cases the arrogance is, in my opinion, misguided. It is certainly very poor play strategically to be extremely arrogant and just trash other players.

I don't think BC was a particularly bad lynch, certainly not bad enough to make all the people supporting the lynch "terrible"
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 09:30:53
January 21 2013 09:29 GMT
#31
On January 21 2013 18:04 Promethelax wrote:
I have a lot of respect for Bugs and his play. I feel that he has recently detracted from town atmospheres instead of adding to them and I feel a certain camaraderie with him for that; I'm getting burnt out on stupid and I think that is what has been happening to him (though I hate to speak for someone else).

I think YAN is a great example of this. Both Palmar and Bugs, as town, realized how shit the town was and half-assed their parts as townies. Their half ass was still better than anyone else in the game but it is hard for me as an up and coming player to watch the players I respect and look up to contribute to the problems they hate.

Bugs does know how to play correctly and that is why I expect so much more of him. He is one of those players whom I know to be good and I know to be better than they are showing in their recent town games (VE is another great example if we wanna talk about the trash that was lviii or marv, BC and Palmar in lviii) it pains me to see the guys who I believe to be above the bullshit fall in it. I expect a certain level of total shit (Morb and Eywa in YAN) but to have vets whom I respecct allowing that total shit to overwhelm them and detract from their own play is deeply demoralizing to me as a player in those games.


I didn't intend for this to be a serious conversation but I guess since I fucked that up I may as well follow through.

I wasn't talking about bugs... this is about your anger

What is the use of parading about talking about how bad everyone is? Imagine a scenario where you walk into class, and the teacher hands you your test. He explains how your grade is so awful, it's not even worth his time to teach you. What then? Aren't both of you worse off for him saying that? There is no point in raging against the external factors that frustrate you and in many cases it only contributes to the problem. Instead of going on a campaign of martyrdom, you should look to improve yourself first. Set the example, be the change you want to create and encourage others do to so as well. If everyone's goals are about the same (fun and mentally stimulating mafia games) and everyone individually/independently works towards their own goals, then we are all working towards our common goals.

If all else fails, that's the point where you can abstain from games to avoid playing with people who you are mistakenly identifying as the only source of the problem.


eh, sniped by syllogism
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2013 09:36 GMT
#32
Thrawn, I know, have you noticed that I'm saying I think I am on the path to being the same kind of player who just shits on people and doesn't add to the town but instead detracts from it? I'm trying to not be that and instead have the conversation about what is happening in games and how to improve it. I am also asking for a one-game ban if this game makes me angry and unhappy so that I can sit out a game and get back to having fun.

I know you think I am angry (and I was after lviii) but I'm not. I'm just not deriving the joy from this game I once did. I want to get that joy back and I very much don't want to take that joy from other players.

TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 21 2013 09:42 GMT
#33
don't listen to thrawn, i'm fairly certain that he's just trolling you
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 21 2013 09:43 GMT
#34
jesus you creep me out when you do that

+ Show Spoiler +
<3
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 21 2013 09:48 GMT
#35
i agree that sheeping is not at all acceptable and you should think for yourself. but if you dont think for yourself (because you have no time), you better sheep some players that are known for thinking for themselves.
and i want to apologize for that term terrible. it's unjustified to call a bunch of people terrible because they voted - in my eyes - not correctly, without rereading their explanations.
however if i look at this game more carefully again, i bet i can find a lot more strange moves and missing explanations :-/
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 21 2013 09:57 GMT
#36
less blah, more /ins with :3 - smileys

I mean, no prob about the conversation but there's no need to get that heavy that early on. We've got irc for those discussions.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 21 2013 10:02 GMT
#37
and i dont really disagree with your opinion on vets, syllo...
my definition of a vet is a player scum shoots even if he accomplished nothing.
therefor i disagree with lynching them, because often times scum is so kind to shoot them early and i waste my time thinking about them.

and if you direct your "arrogance" critisim towards me, i think as scum, arrogance is a legit technique to avoid suspicion or cases.
as a townie it's probably not okay and if i am arrogant as town it's a mistake since it doesnt really help in general. i dont want to talk about ongoing games right now :-D
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 21 2013 10:02 GMT
#38
Why no /in, Syllo?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 10:21:22
January 21 2013 10:03 GMT
#39
/in if syllo /ins, too
actually i like the playerlist so far.
but i get angry and arrogant if some of you get inactive :-(
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 21 2013 13:04 GMT
#40
Already arguing about vets playing bad?
Niiiice. This'll be good.

/obs
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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