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JieXian
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On February 02 2013 00:22 JieXian wrote: @Djo : My only confirmed town read is iamp, unsure about the rest. Correct me if I'm wrong but does Vivax have anything to lose as mafia by claiming 1 shot DT? I don't know how the c9++ setup works. [/QUOTE] | ||
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JieXian
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[QUOTE]On February 02 2013 00:39 Djodref wrote: *snip* As scum, you could be very ballsy and claim a green check on your partner (it makes no sense to claim a green check on a townie who is going to get mislynched) because you always take the risk to get counterclaimed. But Vivax wants to lynch his own green check, so I don't think Mocsta is his buddy. Also you claim to protect yourself as scum. Vivax claimed to protect a green check. Vivax is town. He is my strongest townread right now. [/QUOTE] He definitely didn't claim to protect himself at that moment, obviously. It was to protect xsk. Of course he wants to lynch/bus xsk. He's been bringing up the possibility of a GF for every other time he mentions that xsk is green. I already said how I found that very scummy. | ||
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JieXian
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On February 02 2013 00:50 Mocsta wrote: Its a tough one.. It almost seems unnatural how many times he has received DT. I cant see a reason to do a gambit of Fake DT -> Fake check = green & then push as godfather Even if for whatever reason Vivax was trolling and decided to test this theory out.. The shock he expresses post Night 1 is pretty genuine. I dont think that can be faked. He was really conflicted. After the check, xsksc started becoming inactive (very convenient) so it was natural for Vivax to question this. So, to answer your question. I dont see how the cons outweight the pros of this move if faked. Vivax is DT, Vivax is town. Yes, to save himself. | ||
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JieXian
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On February 02 2013 00:50 Vivax wrote: Yeah, I'm at risk of getting counterclaimed, I'm at risk of people not believing my claim and lynching either me or xs, I'm at risk of people figuring that I can't be DT cause of setup at a later stage. Then there's the argument that I didn't have to claim cause xs wasn't at risk of getting lynched (by Bugs), then there's the opposite argument that I had no point of claiming at that point if I wanted to protect him as scumbuddy since he wasn't too much at danger. JX, you keep dodging the Mocsta option, what exactly makes him town in your opinion if you doubt my DT check in the first place? You for one thought he was in danger.... that's what matters more. I'm down for a xsk lynch. I've been wanting to lynch him but the green check didn't allow it On February 02 2013 00:33 JieXian wrote: The only person I definitely won't lynch for now is iamp. (and the VG/SKs for today) | ||
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JieXian
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[QUOTE]On February 02 2013 00:52 JieXian wrote: [QUOTE]On February 02 2013 00:48 Djodref wrote: [QUOTE]On February 02 2013 00:39 Djodref wrote: *snip* As scum, you could be very ballsy and claim a green check on your partner (it makes no sense to claim a green check on a townie who is going to get mislynched) because you always take the risk to get counterclaimed. But Vivax wants to lynch his own green check, so I don't think Mocsta is his buddy. Also you claim to protect yourself as scum. Vivax claimed to protect a green check. Vivax is town. He is my strongest townread right now. [/QUOTE] He definitely didn't claim to protect himself at that moment, obviously. It was to protect xsk. Of course he wants to lynch/bus xsk. He's been bringing up the possibility of a GF for every other time he mentions that xsk is green. I already said how I found that very scummy.[/QUOTE] You don't take the risk to be counterclaim to save your scumbuddy to tell everybody that he is GF when people don't want to lynch him anymore. Vivax is town.[/QUOTE] Ok that makes sense. You didn't mention it earlier | ||
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JieXian
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What if Vivax is scum with yamato and claimed for townie credit | ||
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I haven't even started accusing either of you yet | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:00 Mocsta wrote: Agree; JX is failing miserably in these regards. I cant believe he thinks me n Vivax are a scum team bussing each other. There was nothing to gain at that point in time. and everything to lose if scum motivated. Bussing Thrawn made some sense if he was such a liability as others stated. But why bus the 2nd member of a 3 man team, when your already one man down. THATS STUPID PLAY. ##Vote: JieXian Djo and you have a point. I no longer think you 2 are together | ||
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JieXian
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I'm trying to think here. If everyone can asnwer my questions Vivax will be a townie to me and I'll know who to lynch | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:03 Mocsta wrote: ?? pretty clear your referring to scum team as me + vivax After reading what you 2 have to say, that train of thought is completely wrong. | ||
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? what's wrong with discussing I recall that you had a problem with that too in LIX. You were wrong | ||
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JieXian
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On February 02 2013 01:08 Djodref wrote: Then Mocsta is town and you let him get mislynched by the town. Scum doesn't claim green check on town players about to be lynched. It works against their win condition. Town fucks up, you let the town fuck up. Makes sense. IF Vivax were scum it would have bee nreally smart play by him. And I don't equate smartness with vivax. Thank you for not goign apeshit like mochta I'm much more comfortable with lynching mochsta right now So scumteam must be mochsta and yamato | ||
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JieXian
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I really want to lynch you as scum one day | ||
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Djo is most definitely NOT sk | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:18 Mocsta wrote: hmm the *only* problem I have with Vivax is an issue EZ rose before being killed. Why would scum kill EZ instead of DT? *This same problem just arose its head in Mafia LIX as well* simple, Nobody everr shoots vivax at night for obvious reasons | ||
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JieXian
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On February 02 2013 01:19 Mocsta wrote: its mocsta. Why is Djo not SK? dont just make a rhetoric, add fact and logic. He was obviously paying a lot of attention to the game, making his reads, making sure town do the right thing, etc. If he's SK he's playing well However I cannot say the same for Djo as I did with Vivax because Djo does play well, but I'm sticking to my current read until things change. | ||
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JieXian
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On February 02 2013 01:28 Mocsta wrote: hmm im not that satisfied with the answer, but in hindsight the question was worded too loosely, so thats my own fault. As for Yamato, I dont have a problem with his lynch, I already stated that. My problem with JX and the reason the vote went his way is due to his thought process. Its inconceivable someone that has been involved in this game from Day Dot could be having the sentiments he is sharing. I just came into the game and feel like I know more about the status quo of the game than JX. Now JX is not a stupid guy; he is friends with Toad, and I doubt Toad would suffer fools. So if JX is not stupid; but is clearly demonstrating faulty logic regarding basics (and so late into the game) I think its safe to conclude he doesnt actually care about the game.. isnt this scum motivation? Tie this in with him rarely having strong opinions throughout the whole game, and barely making cases/reads throughout the whole game; and again, a consistent lack of not caring. I think this makes him a pretty strong scum read (as opposed to my previous leaning); the thing yamato has in my mind that takes precedent over JX is his shitting up the Day 2 lynch. I still want an answer to what he was expecting to achieve if it was town motivated. But for now, im content with the vote on JX. I really hate to hurt my pride mochsta but I've been in 3 townie games Twice I made it to the end Once I was shot D1 and everyone was saying that it was a stupid shot. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:35 Mocsta wrote: ??? So your idea of town doing the right thing is... having targets flip town? I believe he made an honest mistake with ghost | ||
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