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On January 22 2013 09:56 DearestSnot wrote: fuck you too and all the lurkers as well jesus why do you guys sign up for these games? EVERY GAME I see you, you do this. I'm doing you guys a favour, Modkills are way worse. | ||
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Vivax: I see mayor post as null in itself, but his follow up was quite strange. It never seemed as if he wanted to take the position, and his scumhunting (possibly to give him credibility in the election) was very forced. If you read the questions that he asked they are basically the same questions that he asks to each person. On January 20 2013 20:26 Vivax wrote: Allow me to correct: Toad should consolidate, Axle should just learn to format his posts properly. Gonzaw is also one of those able to produce hurricanes of text. mkfuba07 /confirm'd but didn't post anything since Daypost. Other "lurkers" didn't /confirm at all. @ mkfuba07 Why so silent?Who do you think is scum?Who would you elect? @ Djodref Hello Djodref. You have been asking a lot of questions lately. May I beg for you to answer mine first? What do you think of JieXian? Who would you vote for Mayor right now? Any tentative scumreads? This means that he wasn't looking for scum though their filters, but rather was trying to look like he was scumhunting by asking questions. The fact that he doesn't follow up on any of the questions is even more concerting, wouldn't a townie much less a mayoral candidate be more meticulous about his scumhunting? Letting questions drift into the abyss is something scum would do. Annul is more of a gut read for me. He is tunneling and acting pretty oblivious to things, which strikes me as scummy since he is a more experienced player. | ||
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On January 24 2013 13:41 Mocsta wrote: So because thread died, I decided to have a looksee @ Gonzaw. - Please share your thoughts. TL;DR I am confused. When he writes, I like what I read. It feels fluent and natural; I almost feel like its written in my style, so I can associate to that and hence, want to like him. The problem is.. his actions aren’t matching to the words. After reading his 6 pages of filter, I have noticed a distinct drop in scum hunting since FiveTouch came into the scene. Most of his ramblings are thread status quo related, and his case on continuous read Oats originates after Oats pressures him. There is also the major problem of “kind of saw this coming to be honest” in regards to the NKs. This is just plain odd and has not been addressed satisfactorily (see spoiler for more) So in short, He left a great first impression with me, but is now not living up to the promises he made. I have stronger reads in BKE/Oats though, so I will pen Gonzaw in as: I think he is leaning towards scum.
Analysis + Show Spoiler + This is my general thoughts as I went through the 6 pages of filter. Its barely edited (sorry  )(1) I like his mayor campaign. Points I agree with. I dont think its straight forward to input this, otherwise, all the other candidates would have as well! (2) I like his Day1 questions. They are prods and I think are written to promote discussion. I am taking this as effective scum hunting due to nature of early Day1. (3) Interestingly enough.. gonzaw says he can understand Chez http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=15#297 I would very keen to hear Gonzaw insight on Chezinu currently! (4) Once FT comes into the thread, Gonzaw starts to spam his random thoughts. This is weird, especially because prplhz was around; and there were also others around (e.g. Toad etc) (5) He disagrees with the prplhz lynch, but its more just hey im not convinced. its not a hard defense This is reenforced when to me he says On January 21 2013 13:51 gonzaw wrote: Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1. (6) Asks FT to choose Oats > prplhz I think this is sound.. earlier gonzaw said he agreed with aspects of the oatmaster points Fivetouch raised (7) When he concedes FT as mayor I like the post. Again feels like natural thoughts. I agree that prplhz felt like taking a stab in the dark. but really any day1 lynch is going to be like that. you have to go off a hunch with the limited time to get information. Again pushes for oats by suggestion. hmmm. Also calls out chez for swapping votes ?three? times... i want to know thoughts on this. Austin -> BKE -> Gonzaw) Night 1 Still supports Oats hmmm has blended in.. asks status quo questions.. doesnt seem to be scum hunting (p4) Then says if i die.. take out Oats/Annul.. but hasnt added anything further to them. On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote: Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill). Unless some of them were a vig shot. Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"? Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? This is a really weird post, and I cant wrap my finger around it. im not satisfied with response.. its token. On January 23 2013 10:41 gonzaw wrote: I always see scum doing weird shit with night kills. Every time you expect some guys to be killed they killed others, etc. I didn't really think Jiexian or Djoref were scum, so I'm not surprised they were offed. The problem wasnt that they werent scum.. the problem was that no1 was a vet.. and JX had no impact on the game, and rather was under suspicion.. its fucked up.. why he saw it coming just isn’t satisfactorily answered. He also keeps saying haven’t read for a while all the time.. Also Doesn’t build case on oats until oats pressures him.. really odd, but has kept suggesting his lynch Overall, no major attempts to contribute with scum hunting, even though it was a campaign goal. So in summary he left a great first impression on me.. but as the game has gone, he as kept saying he needs to catch up and is starting to express disinterest in the game. He has contributed minimally to scum hunting, and whilst having 6 pages, most is based about current thread discussions instead of scum hunting. Considering he didnt seriously push hard for the mayor position, I dont think its a case of butthurt causing the decline in interest. I can definitely attribute this behaviour to scum play. But, before outright declaring him scum, I would like his take of what I noticed. Quite honestly I can understand why you think I am scum. The problem I am finding, in my readthrough of filters, I am feeling really disconnected with the thread, due to initial missing the onset of the game. If you have anything you want my opinion or read on you can ask me. I just aren't finding relevant topics for me to post on. Please ask away. | ||
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On January 24 2013 14:54 Mocsta wrote: OK. Vivax filter. His last 2 to 3 pages, he created a shit-storm of accusations. (i.e. last 12 to 16 hrs of play) Do you think he is disrupting the play intentionally? If so, is it scum motivated? I'd say scum motivated disruption. The anger is the first thing I notice about his play over the last few hours, there was an unexpected jump in between these two posts+ Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 04:10 Vivax wrote: Scum Yamato, british empire mm + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote: Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum. Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add. I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play. I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang. ##Vote: Mr Cheesecake On January 08 2013 07:48 yamato77 wrote: Is your only response to my suspicion of you "lol"? Let's say I vote you tomorrow with case attached, are you going to just lol that too? Fucking useless. On January 06 2013 19:02 yamato77 wrote: Xatalos what the fuck is that post? How is Shiao voting for a lurker who eventually got replaced scummy? He wants him to be more active, and somehow that's scum motivated? His stances are not weak. He's been putting pressure on me since he made the post, and he wants to do so to you. It's not like he's just saying shit to say it. And then this gem "I guess it's about time to finally cast a vote" Or in other words: "I'm going to put this riiiiight here. Hopefully town doesn't think I'm scummy for this!" That shit is weak, bro. Town Yamato + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2012 06:07 yamato77 wrote: I told you why I'm voting for you and your responses didn't help anything. I have plenty of reason. Other people may have read this and thought the same things. Why is sheeping people with good reads a bad thing anyway? On December 21 2012 06:11 yamato77 wrote: Convince me on Vivax then. If he's so scummy make an updated case with more content. All you've done is post your read and then ask everyone else what they thought of your read. That doesn't feel like scum hunting to me. On December 21 2012 06:19 yamato77 wrote: The differ pence is focus. You keep saying Vivax is scum but you've spent a lot more time discrediting Palmer than pushing your read on Vivax. You are not scum hunting. You are throwing shit at a town player. This is my point. I'm not being hypocritical because my focus is squarely set on you. You're scum, I'm voting for you, and I'm pushing my read and defending the case. You are doing none of these things. Wiggles was really mafia in this game when yamato was talking to him. As you see, two different styles of talking to his scumreads. But check his meta for yourself guys. On January 24 2013 04:11 Vivax wrote: Sorry yamato, you still have to improve as scum lol. But I see you're putting a lot of effort into this game, so I feel a bit bad for you. Personal Attacks: On January 24 2013 06:38 Vivax wrote: Oats is a mislynch, don't do it. You're so easily to influence Bugs, scum just plays their games with you. Insinuating he is hiding something: On January 24 2013 07:53 Vivax wrote: Hey FT, who is masoning you? Is there a reason you aren't outing it? | ||
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On January 24 2013 15:13 Toadesstern wrote: btw my take on oats right now: So I really don't see a reason to risk lynching oats today. Yes he's really scummy but more importantly he's a problem that will solve itself sooner or later. Either mafia shoots him because they want to get Palmar / me OR they shoot Palmar / me in which case oats isn't "probably mafia" but confirmed mafia OR they don't shoot Palmar / me which is perfectly fine with me to be honest. So I'd say we lynch someone else. For me that either means lynching into one of Annul / Gonzaw / Chez or lynching BKE. I myself would like BKE the most right now but I'm not done catching up. Mostly because I haven't figured out the Annul / Gonzaw / Chez triangle and while a 1/3 chance to hit mafia is still decent I think we'll get a better read on that one soon enough as well. What is the Annul/Gonzaw/Chez triangle? Is it based on setup speculation, or the general likelihood that one vet is scum? | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote: Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill). Unless some of them were a vig shot. Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"? Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? On January 23 2013 10:39 gonzaw wrote: EBWOP: Derp debears already asked that question. Dunno what to think about the BGs. I'd take a guess and say that at least one of those is town, since I doubt scum would have the balls to make 2 scum BGs. I'd say debears is the townie and Oats is the scum. Although meh this works anyway. If Oats/debears is town, then scum have to kill them/him to kill Five/Toad, so maybe they'd even do us a favor killing the townie out of them. | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote: Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill). Unless some of them were a vig shot. Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"? Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? On January 23 2013 10:39 gonzaw wrote: EBWOP: Derp debears already asked that question. Dunno what to think about the BGs. I'd take a guess and say that at least one of those is town, since I doubt scum would have the balls to make 2 scum BGs. I'd say debears is the townie and Oats is the scum. Although meh this works anyway. If Oats/debears is town, then scum have to kill them/him to kill Five/Toad, so maybe they'd even do us a favor killing the townie out of them. The speculation was bad, but it seems genuine. Just cause he continues the speculation, after making the mistake. WBG pointed out, but assuming that scum chose to risk a BG position is fool proof. My take on it is its not worth it at all. At the end of the night an elected will be able to out the remaining BG leading to an instalynch. | ||
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On January 24 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote: Toad, if you are there. (Or anyone else) Is there any discussions that can be had over Chezinu random vote swapping towards the end? (Chez -> Austin -> BKE -> Gonzaw) Fits with the trolly style of Chezinu, as it had no effect on the actual election I dont suspect treachery. | ||
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On January 24 2013 22:52 FiveTouch wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 22:48 FiveTouch wrote: To Vivax: Firstly, I seem to recall you berating bugs with some awesome mafia-read you had in an obsQT. I presume from your attitude here that you believe this read to not be legitimate, as you weren't able to question the mafia? Secondly: I did indeed ask him a question, and he never answered it. This proves that Broodking isn't reading the thread at all. He says this: Which may excuse him (it doesn't) from his non-play on Day 1, but it doesn't excuse him missing a question I asked him only 3 hours prior to him posting. By way of edit, I should add that Broodking's last post there was aimed at another player, he never answered me (although it looks like that was an answer to me) The answer was more of a response to everybody. If you look at the majority of suspicion around me, it revolves around my inactivity. I merely chose the most recent post containing suspicion against me to respond to. I'm up for answering questions from you as well. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:31 Vivax wrote: FT was totally disinterested in lynching gonzaw despite being shoveling shit at him so often. The reason is simple: Oats, BKE, Chezinu are easier to lynch and most likely aren't on his team. His last question he wants answered is pointless anyway, it doesn't change anything. I'll give that to you postgame. Just do me a fucking favour and get rid of FT, that guy is dangerous like 1000 snakes for this town. Given his experience and skill as scum he probably has a powerful role too. On January 25 2013 01:36 Vivax wrote: Toad, I was testing reactions with my extended knowledge about gonzaws alignment, the serious trouble you have is only dealing with the way I play, not with what I did. I don't give a fuck if you lynch me to confirm I'm DT. I wouldn't actually mind that cause then you can proceed to lynch the right ones and I'm out of this derp town. Obviously I would prefer if you lynched FT, yamato, Toad and probably Mocsta/Toad > austin/Chez/Bke etc. Gonzaw can stay where he is for now, he's not going anywhere, posting anything, probably tried to manipulate the mason circles and can be lynched later. Now we need to lynch the dangerous guys, namely FT. You are literally throwing scum teams out of your ass. | ||
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On January 25 2013 05:09 yamato77 wrote: BKE it's best to just ignore what Vivax is saying, because despite the fact that he's obviously wrong and full of shit, he's still most likely town. Derp, of course scum fake claim = instalynch. ##Vote: Gonzaw | ||
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On January 25 2013 05:28 grush57 wrote: BKE why do you have to post at the same time I do :'( We think on the same wavelength  | ||
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On January 25 2013 10:43 FiveTouch wrote: So, if Broodking and Chezinu are both mafia, they could have got gonzaw into the Sheriff position Day 1. Broodking voted for himself 3 minutes from deadline, and then Chezinu voted for gonzaw. It could be, though, that BKE is just useless and came back to avoid the modkill and vote for himself, and is mafia. Anyone could have got gonzaw into sheriff position, but no one did. Pretty moot speculation. | ||
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On January 25 2013 11:43 DearestSnot wrote: that's not true, Chezinu himself admitted he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad. Also he simply needed 1 vote. If there was some kind of communication problem (not that unlikely) then there might have been a second scum (maybe even BKE) who was supposed to vote gonzaw but didn't. No one would really even know. Im 100% sure this indicates a troll up to the lynch: On January 22 2013 09:55 Chezinu wrote: you need to vote in voting thread. So last minute voting.. who to vote for... But even so the fact that gonzaw never got the slot makes it a moot point. | ||
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On January 21 2013 14:29 gonzaw wrote: That seems to make sense in paper. One thing I can think of against it is: It seems kind of hard to plan. The sherif is the guy with the 2nd highest amount of votes. This means that people have to singly vote for that guy, while other people singly vote for the mayor. Unless everybody thinks exactly like you do, you can't rally half+1 of people to vote someone and half-1 people to vote Vivax (or some other guy). Other than that, I think I'd have to think a little bit more about it. I prefer my judgement over Five's for being mayor, and of course having +2 votes each day. I don't know how he'll be using those votes later I didn't really think about the sheriff role, other than if I don't get mayor, well being sheriff wouldn't be bad, I would still get protection (1 or 2 BGs though? I didn't fully understand that part of the OP). Don't really know what it means to others having the sheriff role on purpose (rather than being just failed mayor candidates ).I also think the choice of people could be better. Vivax seems to be likely town, but: -I am not 100% sure of that -Even if he is, I don't know if him being sheriff would benefit town. -Of course, based on those above, I'm not 100% him being sheriff would benefit the town. Of course the same with the mayor choice. Gonzaw was well aware of the sheiriff ins and outs if scum were to have made a play they would have the organization to make it. What they could have been lacking were the townie votes if any, but I'm going to end speculation on that until I get solid reads on gonzaw's supporters going into the election count. | ||
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On January 24 2013 20:48 Chezinu wrote: You know BKE was kind of right too. It was a mix up of both. Its true I didn't really want toad to be sheriff. I still don't understand why everyone likes him. So, I jumped on austin -- I wasn't able to get to thread sooner. After posting and seeing it was 6:58 if I recall right (my time - 2 minutes before deadline). I noticed that it was over. So, I saw broodking posted above me and decided to have fun. So I copied pasted my previous post and then copy pasted BKE's name in the spot where austin's name was. posted. Then I copy pasted again my previous vote. This time, I have had to scroll up to get another name. I thought I could spell gonzaw, but failed. Lol, I typed gonaz just now on accident. Then revoted and it was over. As for the not voting 5touch, I still wanted to be mayor. When I noticed that I wasn't going to win, there was no need to switch my vote to him b/c he was already in the lead. Everyone in town knew at the end, we where just trying to decided on a sheriff. So why people like toads? idk. But I do know that I like turtles. Mommy dearest, are you really not reading the thread? Wasn't it you who claimed very early that "I didn't have a lynch candidate?" I recall responding to you to point out that I clarity mentioned that I was going to lynch based on the Chezinu Rule. The Chezinu Rule is very specific. Did you in fact read my last game? You certainly quoted the very post that I used the Chezinu Rule last game. You even compared my activity levels from this game to last, which really doesn't mean much. Let's see, last game I was not in school and on vacation. There was also no PMs that game either. Nor was their a mayoral election. You have to take all these factors into consideration, but even if you do... Chezinu is Chezinu! You mention how previous game I pointed out that Palmar was town. Well, if you read that last game you would know everyone was attacking Palmar. Someone had to try saving him! This game 5touch who I trust, seemed to be safe. As for those I don't trust, you would be amongst them. 5touch should already know some of my other reads. Chez realized the vote was over so he trolled cause it didnt matter at that point. He couldn't do anythinto get Gonzaw in because he didnt have the votes. | ||
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On January 25 2013 12:05 Adam4167 wrote: Interesting welcome. I have read exactly none of this game, have I subbed into a train wreck? You'll have to be patient while I catch up 120 pages. GLHF, I mean really good luck catching up | ||
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On January 25 2013 12:10 DearestSnot wrote: that's not what he's saying, if you read the next paragraph you see that he was talking about the sheriff election as if he had influence in that. He clearly did, he was only 1 vote away from getting gonzaw elected. They just needed one vote, anyone who said "oh well I don't feel so sure about Toad" or any scum who was willing to jump with him could have gotten gonzaw elected. Even if they sacrificed themselves for it (doubtful, given that I do not recall that anyone suspected Chezinu for that vote swap except for maybe me) they could have surely secured gonzaw that position. We would probably WIFOM ourselves out of lynching gonzaw just like we did earlier today in the absence of the DT check. In addition they could have argued that they thought Toad was scum mason, or that gonzaw looked townier, or whatever crock shit they might come up with, and they'd be able to get away with it. If they were scum together they could even claim mason partners, and that'd take pressure off them even further. I can think of a multitude of ideas and ways in which they could have done that. A mafia godfather coupled with a framer would make it so that there would be two innocents-to-checks making those votes, and then getting gonzaw into sheriff would make a third person unreadable. These are obviously simply speculations but to pass them off as not being likely or possible because of the attention it draws is being naive, IMO. Chezinu and gonzaw are good enough players that I can see them at the very least trying to pull this off. (and no, I'm not a fan of these types of theories but the possibility exists. I think Chezinu is scum for bigger reasons than these, but we have to somehow figure out who supported gonzaw, and which of his supporters were scum. I seriously doubt that he ran without support from his teammates.) The second paragraph says he didn't like Toad as sheriff. I'm not sure on the timeframe, but if Chez returned to the thread at around the time I did( there was a gap in posting). He really couldn't have done anything, as Toad had four votes by that time. | ||
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On January 25 2013 12:42 DearestSnot wrote: Why is BKE so focused on speaking on behalf of Chezinu? Literally 3/4 of his filter is talking about the vote business. Cause we are/were having a discussion about whether or not scum tried to get Gonzaw elected. There are things that Chezinu has said already, to indicate that his vote switching was not indicative of a scum sheriff push. I'm seeing you put scenarios out there, that are as likely as they are not likely(50/50 chance), which is basically WIFOM. | ||
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On January 25 2013 13:35 DearestSnot wrote: yet you are not interested in any sort of other discussion, i.e. posing alternatives to my ideas. All you do is shoot them down, instead of coming forth with people you actually think are scum. Nice try bro, you're doing the same exact thing as the two guys who flipped scum before you. Fair, I'll reevaluate my scum reads (given that one is totally wrong XD), and get a better alt. | ||
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