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Adam4167
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On January 25 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote: Adam please don't be an idiot. I need not stupid people in my town. Interesting welcome. I have read exactly none of this game, have I subbed into a train wreck? You'll have to be patient while I catch up 120 pages. | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:22 yamato77 wrote: Clarity/Adam, I hope is town. We'll see. Sorry for being a dick earlier, I am extremely tired and was frustrated at this game. No problem. Frustration shows you give a shit. Its a good thing. On January 25 2013 15:27 DearestSnot wrote: should I do a "this is where we are right now" kind of post? Because basically I have absolutely no problem with outting every single read of mine on every single player, but I don't want to taint everyone else's reads. Basically if I'm wrong anywhere I don't want people sheeping me; different perspectives are useful, and I'm asking people to name these reads so I can see what you guys think before I just flood the thread with what I think could be game-breaking reads if they are 100% correct. I need to be absolutely sure of almost everything though. At the moment I'm like...95-97% sure of everything. There's a few tiny holes but honestly...I don't see us losing by basically just taking a list of 6-7 players and lynching them indiscriminately. I intend to do something similar when I eventually catch up. I'm currently on page 30, I hope to be caught up by before midnight KST (like 8 or so hours from now), then Ill lay all my cards on the table so you can see where my heads at. By all means, post your reads when you feel comfortable doing so. Ill read them and comment when I get caught up to current. | ||
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Adam4167
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I agree with the lynching of BKE. To paraphrase myself in Whos Line mafia, Town BKE makes literally no sense and is thrilled to death about it. He finds someone he thinks is scum, and tunnels them with crazy logic, even when other players present evidence to the contrary. In this game, there's none of that. He was literally a ghost all of D1, and his pushes on D2 are weak at best. No crazy logic, no excessive tunneling. Crappy D1 vote, wasted to avoid a mod-kill. I think hes scared to post in his first game of scum, hence his inactivity. Another person I would lynch would be Axle. His opening post after confirming is to eviscerate Vivax campaign post, taking it apart piece by piece, nit picking at mostly irrelevant stuff. It reeks of attempting to contribute and also not knowing how to enter the thread. His day 1 vote finished on Gonzaw, a now flipped scum. I cant even find the post where he justifies or announces his vote on Gonzaw in his quagmire of a filter. Scum hunting is sparse at best. These two would be the two I would lynch tomorrow. I'm struggling to get a reliable read on Austin. Hes more hypno-toad then Toad this game. Giant walls of filter that say things that could have been said in a line. I start reading his filter, my eyes glaze over and my mind wanders. He'd be one of the first to go in the search for the 5th scum (assuming I'm right about the above two). Ill be watching the LoL Euro Qualifiers for the next couple hours if anyone wants to ask me anything, Ill be hovering around the thread. | ||
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On January 25 2013 23:51 Vivax wrote: Hey Adam, just to make it clear for you: Why lynch BKE when jailing him will show if he's scum? What an odd question. These things don't resolve at the same time.... so go right ahead and jail him, ill still want him dead regardless of the outcome tomorrow, barring some amazing revelation. Jailing someone is not a foolproof method of figuring out if someone is scum, there are other ways for that KP to go unaccounted for. | ||
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Anyone have anything worthwhile to discuss. | ||
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On January 26 2013 00:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Adam, as a 3rd party to the stuff surrounding Vivax's check and Gonzaw's subsequent lynch, Did anything stand out to you/Scummy? Honestly, that was painful to read. Some parts of Vivax filter scream town, yet some parts of his play this game have just been off-the-walls crazy, and that check is a good example of it, his feud with yamato is another. I choose to think hes an overzealous townie, so nothing really stood out as scummy, just .... not how I would have handled it. | ||
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Adam4167
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Now that that's out there, Vivax, there's no point being coy with your check. You may as well table it, if its red, we discuss. | ||
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On January 27 2013 11:30 Vivax wrote: First I want to hear what annul has to say and reasons for people to suspect/not suspect yamato. My filter is full of stuff against him. Honestly, I lean somewhat town on Yamato. He has a stack of soft defenses for prplhz in his filter, which don't look great after his flip, but I find his frustration to be genuine and his curiousness real, if hes faking it - hes doing a really great job of it. I'm thinking the last mafia is probably elsewhere. | ||
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On January 28 2013 04:50 Vivax wrote: I'm not playing anti-town, I analyzed Palmar's town play in LVIII and am trying to copy it. It involves claiming scum as often as possible. You're choosing to emulate troll play in a game that ended in disaster due to having too many trolls on town side? You are being anti-town. Stop. | ||
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Not sure how Axle is less than 1% scum, but ill follow his and FT's lead on that one. As long as we flip another red tonight, town are so far out in front that mafia should probably consider conceding. | ||
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On January 28 2013 04:57 Adam4167 wrote: You're choosing to emulate troll play in a game that ended in disaster due to having too many trolls on town side? You are being anti-town. Stop. I posted this before I had caught up with what had happened while I was asleep. You are rapidly running out of good will with this town. I suggest you take a break until after the lynch, gather your thoughts, because you're heading for a noose at this rate. | ||
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Adam4167
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##Vote: Chezinu BKE will flip scum, I'm all but certain. Chezinu on the other hand I am not entirely sold on. However, in the interest of consolidating, not having a better option and following bugs reads, he's going to have to suffice for the second lynch today. | ||
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On January 28 2013 09:49 FiveTouch wrote: Adam, given you've read all the posts around the subject of Chezinu, especially bugs', what wasn't convincing about his case? Or about Chezinu's play in general? Thanks. Mainly just his initial interaction with Prplhz. If he is indeed scum, would he have gone through with lynching prplhz for 'breaking the chezinu rule'? | ||
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Right.. | ||
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What part of my comment towards you seemed unsure? How am I fence sitting exactly? | ||
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On January 28 2013 00:41 Vivax wrote: Wouldn't even be surprised if BKE flips town at this point. Lo-and-behold, its from Vivax. Nothing in BKE's filter ever even came close to looking town or useful. This post stinks. It is also the last time you mention BKE in your filter, if this was your last thought in regards to him, why didn't you try to move the lynch elsewhere or at least move your vote. Between this and your garbage check last night, on a near confirmed player that conveniently happened to die. I call bullshit, I think you are scum. If you are the detective you claim to be, you can prove it tonight by providing a non-bullshit check on someone that doesn't die. | ||
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Adam4167
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On January 28 2013 10:42 Mocsta wrote: How do you prove this? (non-bullshit check) He can choose any number of players to say "is town" and to make it easier.. can just say a mason is town, as he knows who is mason, and he knows who is town.. if he misses scum its convenient.. theres what 12-14 players left, 2 scum? 1/6 chance to hit scum by lottery. 'Is town' will not cut it because: On January 15 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role of one player. So if hes scum as I believe, hes going to have to take a shot in the dark at guessing the persons role. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: Oats, your turning into an idiot with reading comprehension issues the question is clear.. @austin. yes i know we discussed double stack.. ohh wait.. night 2 there was 4 scum players, so 2KP.. if BKE was jailed as scum, the KP would still be 2. kk so musing is pointless.. got it.. sorry im feeling slow today.. gonna take a break Well no. Night 2 there were 3 scum. Because scum died Day 1 and Day 2. The 'subsequent' drop in KP was a farce by the mafia team to make us waste a lynch, something I'd considered when I abruptly ended my conversation with Vivax. | ||
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On January 28 2013 09:24 Mocsta wrote: Adam.. Im still waiting fora response (This now has nothing to do with Annul, i want your insight) I didn't bother to answer this the first time, mainly because the only answer is an inconclusive answer. But if you insist.. Either alignment could decide you were not worth talking to after you back-flip a read on them. Id think mafia would be more likely to try to talk you out of your new read, town would be more likely to tell you to bug off and stop wasting their time, but either is entirely possible from both sides, dependent on the personality of the player. | ||
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Adam4167
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Your role would have been useful for validating vivax as a legitimate DT, next time, volunteer to be checked or something. | ||
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On January 29 2013 20:05 Toadesstern wrote: because there's 3 people I want dead as fast as possible: Annul, mkfuba, Axle. Just finished a 20 hour shift. I'm not opposed to anyone in this list dying. Still want to kill Vivax for his play this game. Ill be back in the morning when i'm more coherent. | ||
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On January 31 2013 00:52 FiveTouch wrote: Ninja votes, promises to contribute without doing so. Hi Adam. Hi friend. I didn't feel like I had anything overly important to contribute, so I didn't. Anything you'd care to discuss? | ||
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Adam4167
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That's unfortunate. Incorrect also. | ||
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Having more town-directed KP is always a good thing. | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote: Whether we use the double lynch tomorrow or on a later cycle, town-directed KP is ALWAYS the same. The timing of the KP changes, but the amount does not. Sure. But having more faster is the better way to go. Give me a 5-way lynch right now and ill take it. Clean out some unreadable's and probably hit a scum in the process. | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:31 austinmcc wrote: Why is it "better"? You can lynch unreadable people any cycle. You can clear them out BEFORE you double lynch. If the benefit is that you "probably" hit scum, then the chance that you hit them increases with each cycle, so that's a downside, not a benefit. In virtue of them being unreadable, Id like them gone as fast as possible so we can focus everyone else, assuming the game hasn't ended already. Each night-kill before we double lynch reduces our comparative control over said double lynch. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:13 mkfuba07 wrote: Alright, some points that caught my attention when reading through clarity and Adam's filters: Clarity: Runs for mayor based on a platform of being a townie townie and creating a good atmosphere D1. It actually kinda sounds like he's just running for "townie". Seems strange to emphasize one of your strengths D1 when town wants a mayor for more than just one day. Promises Djo reads, never gave them. Not sure what we can draw from this, since he then disappeared after that. I think this is standing out to me because Djo was really suspicious of clarity and he died N1. He also questioned why Djo was asking so many question, which is kind of a weird thing to be suspicious of. However, Djo said clarity returned to his null zone, so I’m not sure what to think. Adam: Talks about relatively unimportant things instead of the important ones Has some weird/weak reasons to find people townie He doubted the chezinu lynch because chezinu followed the chezinu rule Mosca seemed particularly suspicious of him because of how adam was deciding people were town, and he died last night (was he the only one? Marv commented on the reasoning, but he couldn't be killed.) Then there's the ninja vote that I can't really take offense to (I did it, I'm pretty sure others did as well), but he WAS absent for about 34 hours before he returned to the thread with nothing to add Right now, top scumreads are austin and adam. I think they're scummy apart, and I think their motivations seem to mesh really well together. (also possible scumslip? lol) So, you summarize my filter into half a dozen lines and I become one of your top scum reads? If you find that list to be indicative of me being scum, you need to explain why, because you haven't done so. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:04 mkfuba07 wrote: Yes. My possible scum at this point are axle, you, stutters, and austin. It's not hard to jump to the top of the list. And there's more reasons than I've listed, but they tend to be smaller and less reliable. Things like you saying that you "choose" to see vivax as an overzealous townie. And reasons that I find you scummy because I find austin scummy, and I can see some interplay between you two (which is reasonably speculative and I shouldn't really consider because neither of you have flipped yet). I didn't name them because they should probably be ignored, but nonetheless they're affecting my read of you. You comment about setup-type stuff when you could be talking about players and reads. There's more of the former than the latter. You find people townie for reasons you shouldn't find people townie. One person showed significant suspicion of you because of this, and that person ended up dead the next day (I think oats also has you on his scumlist, but I don't recall him pushing his reads at all). You said you'd come back in the morning, but you showed up only to ninja vote and go back to lurking. Is that enough explanation? Not really, you just repeated exactly the same things as a block of text instead of a list. None of these things are conclusive of me being scum, but ill go through them anyway: Things like you saying that you "choose" to see vivax as an overzealous townie. Yep, I did say that. I can see his blatant anti-town behavior being either town or scum motivated, I decided to go with the former. And reasons that I find you scummy because I find austin scummy, and I can see some interplay between you two (which is reasonably speculative and I shouldn't really consider because neither of you have flipped yet). Its is entirely speculative and entirely inconclusive. I've commented twice on how difficult I find Austins filter to read, how is this indicative either way of myself or both of us being scum? Can you not conceive of a possible situation in which a town Adam finds an unknown alignment Austins filter to be difficult to get anything out of. You comment about setup-type stuff when you could be talking about players and reads. Disagree. I gave my reads initially when I joined the game. I gave further reads when I was specifically asked. You find people townie for reasons you shouldn't find people townie. Your opinion. I find people townie for my own reasons and I freely gave them when I was asked. One person showed significant suspicion of you because of this, and that person ended up dead the next day (I think oats also has you on his scumlist, but I don't recall him pushing his reads at all). This is garbage. I can just as easily say that DearestSnot was suspicious of you and he ended up dead. But I haven't, because its a terrible argument and trying to discern the motives of night-kills is nigh-on-pointless. You said you'd come back in the morning, but you showed up only to ninja vote and go back to lurking. Yep, I came back in the morning, the lynch was heading in a direction I was happy with, so I felt I had nothing to contribute. | ||
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Adam4167
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At least all my initial reads weren't shit. | ||
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According to DSnots spreadsheet, its just 'unlikely to be given mason role', which is looking a tad thin right now since they've all flipped mason so far except prplhz. | ||
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I can understand your paranoia about not having a vote of mine to analyze, nothing I can do about it. | ||
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On February 01 2013 11:56 grush57 wrote: And you also delurk when you can mislynch me :D. How convenient ##Vote: Adam4167 I'm not trying to mislynch you, you dolt. I was poking holes in vivax' theory. | ||
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On February 01 2013 20:19 Toadesstern wrote: probably adam but I'd like to hear some more from you guys so I'll shut it for now. So you think my master plan was to join the game, draw attention to my well-hidden and Godfather teammate with my first reads post, and then do it again when asked about bugs reads? Yeah, that's really not how I play scum, If i think my team is onto a good thing, id be keeping my mouth shut. | ||
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On February 01 2013 21:53 FiveTouch wrote: I'm not actually sure I want to lynch you at all today, actually. But this post doesn't make sense. Toad & I were 100% lynching Axle if he wasn't medic, and it wouldn't matter if you made the best case ever on him or didn't mention him at all. At the time when I joined the game, you guys were saying he was <1% mafia. My point was, if I was his teammate, why would I shit that up when hes clearly drawing absolutely zero attention? You hadn't figured out that he wasn't the medic yet, so why would I go directing heat onto him there? I have literally no idea who I want to lynch today - But if I don't see tomorrow, make Vivax role check someone who HASN'T already bloody roleclaimed, I still don't trust him. | ||
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On February 01 2013 22:58 Toadesstern wrote: that post actually does make some sense. As adam said, he had no knowledge of our thoughts about axle. Still I don't think telling us you think he's mafia when he's a townish (at that point in time) looking guy is that bad of a play. Either makes you look good or him look better while it's not going to have influence on what's going to happen at all. Anyways, we have 3 mafias pooled on gonzaw and I said I think clarity is town but there's no way we don't lynch you given the situation. The only downside is chez last minute vote which makes no sense with the knowledge that clarity was afk... Yeah, understandable. If it carries any weight at all, I only use bussing as a last resort. Go read some of my previous scum games, they're not a great read, but I rarely-if-ever even interact with my teammates until they're pretty terminal. | ||
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On February 01 2013 23:19 Toadesstern wrote: Don't make it sound like that never happened before. May I remind you of BC's Arkham City in which someone fakeclaimed DT as a townie and then fakeclaimed a redcheck on a modconfirmed (literally (!) modconfirmed) blue guy d2? Schworz, never forget  Anyways I'm off for a while, see you Dont mention that game.... still sour. | ||
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On February 02 2013 08:38 Acrofales wrote: Yay. Now I hydra failed on both accounts. Anyway, there was one more thing I wanted to say: @Vivax: your behaviour D2 was, imho, not acceptable. See the obsQT for more. You weren't alone in that opinion. I lost count of the amount of times I read a post from him in my catch-up and thought... 'I wonder if we should just kill him for town cohesion'. Vivax, I'd avoid playing like this in future games, this time around there were no vigilantes, next time... maybe not so. | ||
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'Well you are dead today I think. I will kill probably yamato tmr. adam maybe after that.' I had a sinking feeling that was coming, hence why I was doing 3/5ths of fuck all on that day. I needed more time to organise my reads because everyone I looked at around me (Austin, Mkfuba, Annul) looked town. I felt confident I could talk my way out of a lynch even with a 30 hour chunk of inactivity. | ||
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On February 02 2013 09:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote: You predicted the scumkills being absolutely atrocious? I'm impressed :D Honestly, YES. The Mocsta kill over better options told me they were just blind-firing into the crowd, especially at people that no one had shown an interest in lynching (like me, as if I was any more under the radar, Id have been subterranean). | ||
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