EPTI dont have a problem you think I could be scum.. I want to know why 2 out of 4 *have* to be town?
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I dont have a problem you think I could be scum.. I want to know why 2 out of 4 *have* to be town? | ||
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On January 25 2013 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Because im trying to contribute. This doesnt tell me anything about why you mention that you are not sheeping. Maybe im stupid and dumb, but explain it again please :D I am against sheep voting; have been in all the games I played (including as scum).. votes need justification. I was asleep when most of the action happened regarding the DT check on Gonzaw. I could have sheeped due to the red check.. but frankly I still wanted you on the table. I needed to prove to myself that Gonzaw was a better lynch than you; and the stuff I found personally made Gonzaw a better target than you. TL;DR I am trying to be transparent in my play, and share my critical thoughts. | ||
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On January 25 2013 10:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Transparent = GUYS IM NOT SHEEPING, HERE IS THE PROOF!? Mocsta. Im not saying that you were sheeping/why you are against sheeping, Im just wondering why you feel the need to TELL the rest of the thread? Its like scum caring about appearances. Fair enough. i can see why you took it that way. I still think I have answered your questions and don't see a need to repeat my feedback again. And FYI, town do care about appearances, just in a different way to scum. Why.. because if you dont have town cred, its very difficult to get traction on your reads/cases. But these are elementary musings I am more than sure you are aware of. | ||
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On January 25 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah deadline was 1 hour ago, Why.. because if you dont have town cred, its very difficult to get traction on your reads/cases. I agree with this statment, but you dont have to mention that you are townie/express townie behaviour to get town 'cred' Fivetouch was pretty much unanimously read as town without having to mention all that stuff, and just being logical and playing well. Yeah fair point, but I dont have the experience of FiveTouch, nor the experience of the other vets. However, I think your missing the point. The only way for the vets to respect our opinion, is by sharing our thoughts and reasoning - and hopefully they agree with the critical thought; otherwise we are just a vote to them. I want to be more than just a free vote this game. | ||
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On January 25 2013 11:09 FiveTouch wrote: It's quite confusing, because it seems like it should have been quite possible to get gonzaw into second, yet they didn't. It suggests a lack of organisation, at least. Thats a good point. if prplhz swapped over to gonzaw.. gonzaw woulda been sheriff.. but do you think it would have been worth the heat of a last minute vote swap/association? I dont think so. Especially considering it was already clear that there was a minimum 50% chance you would be lynching prplhz. | ||
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With this double lynch. Is the intention to try and hit 2 top scum reads... or 1 top scum read and one on the fence (e.g. a guy like Chezinu sits on the fence for me) | ||
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On January 25 2013 11:44 DearestSnot wrote: Chezinu is up there for me. Gonzaw was pretty high too for me, especially after how he responded to the NKs. That's why I pushed them both over Oats today, but the town resisted both. Stop resisting good lynches :p Thanks for replying but not sure if you addressed the question? Day 3 I believe we have a double lynch (as 12 voted for it) I am asking, with a double lynch is the best play to put up the two top scum reads, or to put on the table the 50/50s (to me Chez is a 50/50) | ||
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I voted Gonzaw for mayor. I also called him (leaning) scum due to his actions Day 2 On January 23 2013 23:12 Mocsta wrote: Gonzaw: I was about to start reading his filter, but since you asked, my impressions as of now are: made a good impression on me at first, and was one of the only vets responding to me.. as FT came about, he has really faded. AND IIRC he hasnt followed up on his promises (reads etc). My other issue with Gonzaw is association with prplhz... b4 prplhz had heat on him, Gonzaw was one of the ppl he was soft "buddying" to. ATM null, need to confirm if the (lack of) follow ups are correct. & then On January 24 2013 13:41 Mocsta wrote: So because thread died, I decided to have a looksee @ Gonzaw. - Please share your thoughts. TL;DR I am confused. When he writes, I like what I read. It feels fluent and natural; I almost feel like its written in my style, so I can associate to that and hence, want to like him. The problem is.. his actions aren’t matching to the words. After reading his 6 pages of filter, I have noticed a distinct drop in scum hunting since FiveTouch came into the scene. Most of his ramblings are thread status quo related, and his case on continuous read Oats originates after Oats pressures him. There is also the major problem of “kind of saw this coming to be honest” in regards to the NKs. This is just plain odd and has not been addressed satisfactorily (see spoiler for more) So in short, He left a great first impression with me, but is now not living up to the promises he made. I have stronger reads in BKE/Oats though, so I will pen Gonzaw in as: I think he is leaning towards scum.
Analysis + Show Spoiler + This is my general thoughts as I went through the 6 pages of filter. Its barely edited (sorry  )(1) I like his mayor campaign. Points I agree with. I dont think its straight forward to input this, otherwise, all the other candidates would have as well! (2) I like his Day1 questions. They are prods and I think are written to promote discussion. I am taking this as effective scum hunting due to nature of early Day1. (3) Interestingly enough.. gonzaw says he can understand Chez http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=15#297 I would very keen to hear Gonzaw insight on Chezinu currently! (4) Once FT comes into the thread, Gonzaw starts to spam his random thoughts. This is weird, especially because prplhz was around; and there were also others around (e.g. Toad etc) (5) He disagrees with the prplhz lynch, but its more just hey im not convinced. its not a hard defense This is reenforced when to me he says On January 21 2013 13:51 gonzaw wrote: Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1. (6) Asks FT to choose Oats > prplhz I think this is sound.. earlier gonzaw said he agreed with aspects of the oatmaster points Fivetouch raised (7) When he concedes FT as mayor I like the post. Again feels like natural thoughts. I agree that prplhz felt like taking a stab in the dark. but really any day1 lynch is going to be like that. you have to go off a hunch with the limited time to get information. Again pushes for oats by suggestion. hmmm. Also calls out chez for swapping votes ?three? times... i want to know thoughts on this. Austin -> BKE -> Gonzaw) Night 1 Still supports Oats hmmm has blended in.. asks status quo questions.. doesnt seem to be scum hunting (p4) Then says if i die.. take out Oats/Annul.. but hasnt added anything further to them. On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote: Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill). Unless some of them were a vig shot. Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"? Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? This is a really weird post, and I cant wrap my finger around it. im not satisfied with response.. its token. On January 23 2013 10:41 gonzaw wrote: I always see scum doing weird shit with night kills. Every time you expect some guys to be killed they killed others, etc. I didn't really think Jiexian or Djoref were scum, so I'm not surprised they were offed. The problem wasnt that they werent scum.. the problem was that no1 was a vet.. and JX had no impact on the game, and rather was under suspicion.. its fucked up.. why he saw it coming just isn’t satisfactorily answered. He also keeps saying haven’t read for a while all the time.. Also Doesn’t build case on oats until oats pressures him.. really odd, but has kept suggesting his lynch Overall, no major attempts to contribute with scum hunting, even though it was a campaign goal. So in summary he left a great first impression on me.. but as the game has gone, he as kept saying he needs to catch up and is starting to express disinterest in the game. He has contributed minimally to scum hunting, and whilst having 6 pages, most is based about current thread discussions instead of scum hunting. Considering he didnt seriously push hard for the mayor position, I dont think its a case of butthurt causing the decline in interest. I can definitely attribute this behaviour to scum play. But, before outright declaring him scum, I would like his take of what I noticed. | ||
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On January 25 2013 12:20 debears wrote: I have been masoned. Apparently 24 hours ago Thanks BC! Lol by gonzaw? haha | ||
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On January 25 2013 12:35 debears wrote: 5touch I have to talk to you about said mason and figure out whether he contacted you already or not and why he masoned me I will think of encryption Impossible. FT said his mason spoke to Chezinu yesterday, and FT today. mason lasts day + night cycle (as Toad log with sandroba continued into night 1 IIRC) | ||
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He has been an active participant in town discussion, and even built a decent profile on why he thought Gonzaw was scum (which came about way before Vivax released the DT check info). @Yamato77 I would like to know some insight into why you were keen on Chezinu. I didnt think it was clear from your filter; and you have continued to defend him past Day 1. On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote: You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. On January 21 2013 09:34 yamato77 wrote: You have yet to address any of that. All you did was repeat yourself and do all of it some more. Another silly justification for voting Sandroba. Another attack on Chezinu. On January 21 2013 09:41 yamato77 wrote: The main thing is that I don't think Chez is trying to be unreadable this game. Most games he is trying to be that way because he doesn't want mafia to shoot him, but this game he seems to be playing straight up which makes him way easier to read and understand. So the attack is baseless and scummy to make. Chez is not a bad candidate for mayor. Whats interesting here you recognise the divergence in standard play.. is there not the possibility he doesnt have to worry about mafia KP, because he could be mafia? On January 21 2013 10:02 yamato77 wrote: I find your attack on Chezinu scummy. I didn't say anything about anyone else, nor do I necessarily agree with the "Chezinu Rule" concept. The way you dismissed everyone I consider to be a candidate worth voting for just to justify your useless vote on Sandroba was scummy. The fact that you took extra special attention to blowing off Chezinu makes me think you simply want to discredit his candidacy for reasons I have yet to hear from your mouth. Comprende, hombre? On January 21 2013 11:51 yamato77 wrote: The only people I'm interested in voting for are Austin, Gonzaw, Chezinu, and maybe FiveTouch (but he's a special case). I am not voting for Vivax, Toad, Djo, or any other random person running. On January 23 2013 00:47 yamato77 wrote: The question is, why do you think Chez might be scum? I don't. Please explain why? Chezinu barely contributed and you have a "not scum" read? On January 23 2013 00:56 yamato77 wrote: What do you think a question about Chezinu is going to reveal about Djo's alignment? Again soft-defending Chezinu; why? | ||
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A lot of that makes sense, especially focusing on Gonzaw; I am now very curious what he has to say. | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:07 DearestSnot wrote: I'll give you a 7/10 for effort but I'm willing to upgrade it to 9.5 if you can figure out my reasoning for why I disagree with you STARSENSES! | ||
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On January 25 2013 14:55 DearestSnot wrote: I'd like to hear from anyone who wants to speak with me. Talk to me. Mocsta, interested? Talk to me about who can be scum in your opinion and why. Perhaps even who can't. In WBG's advice corner for tonight, remember that at this stage of the game, townreads can be just as useful, if not even more useful, than scumreads. Perhaps it's best to keep those to ourselves for now, though. Happy scumhunting! My heads in work right now (some major shit happened) but to promote some discussion this is the best I can do right now.
Will prob take you up on this offer later tonight when I have a chance to clear my head. | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:17 Toadesstern wrote: Gonzaw just flipped mafia mason. Yeah there can be multiple masons but with 5 mafias in a 22 player game, with mafia having a jack as well I really doubt it. On top of that mafia can choose who ends up being what role for them. Here's a bunch of questions: Do you think they would give Grush that role? (okay... wifom) If he's a mafia he got in his QT telling people "DUDES I TOTALLY WANT TO BE A MASON" because he masoned early. Do you think he'd get in a game with that attitude as mafia and then just not use his mason powers as all? I mean look at the "conversation" lol. Damn it.. thats actually compelling. so...STARSENSES was true again FFS | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:21 Mocsta wrote: Damn it.. thats actually compelling. so...STARSENSES was true again FFS Im not fully sold on the guy though , but what you did present was compelling. The guy has made an effort not to get modkilled, but has done sweet fuck all. i havnt played with him before.. maybe this is his style IDK, but AFAIK he is optimal lurking. | ||
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curious what makes stutters confirmed townie for u did i miss something? Also, could u check on teh previous page, I had some questions regarding Chez directed to u. (mroe out of curiosity) | ||
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After this game I would love to know how u guys make notes etc i just read the thread, and get a gut feeling.. if i dont like someone, i read the filter and then makes notes as im reading the filter you guys seem to make notes as you read the thread; and seem to have detailed noted on all players is that correct? | ||
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