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On January 24 2013 20:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said I played badly at the start, but got better as the game went on.
Seriously, Get comfirmation bias out of your head.
Oatsmaster, - Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression
- You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
- You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
- You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
- Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
- You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression
You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
+ Show Spoiler +Im going to post 3 consecutive posts from your filter (this is nothing new) (1) On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread.
In response to Gonzaw querying you over this post
Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. So you feel comfortable lunging into a low post smurf with zero town cred. When Gonzaw calls you out for the over the top aggression; you brush it off saying he pissed me off.. This is the oatsmaster Im used to. (2) On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me?
This is a direct reference again to FiveTouchAgain more flames of a zero town cred smurf. (3) On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Ok on to FiveTouch,
He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads.
Firstly, you back down on Gonzaw who has been questioning you about your behavior. Then you do a full 180’ on FT based on what? There is no progression of read, it’s a direct jump from quote (2) Retard to quote (3) leaking town. Now for the analysis.. lets say Oats is not dumb and recognize FT held influence. Because FT wanted to lynch Oats, you say. OK oats is going to get the kneepads out and massage FT gently… BUT.. is this really the style of an ultra-aggressive (town) player? The answer is no… I had a similar situation with Oats last game. Lets look at his response when Im becoming influential. (My comments are bolded) – from Newbie XXXV (finished 23/01/13) On January 13 2013 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let it be known, I will not be intimidated by you. I stand for an open environment, not the dictatorship that you seek.
Looks like you are trying to create a dictatorship to me.
Also, how did you brainwash all these people? HOW?
feel Oatsmaster will just try to derail it
So you dont have confirmation bias, right.
Also, with your current level of activity, and the way you defended yourself.
##Unvote
HOWEVER
I really dont like the way you are going around buddying everybody and keep referring to yourself as an excellent town player.
yet at least 1 individual is yet to post with 24hrs expired.
Are you not concerned with this behaviour?
What do you want me/everyone to do? Knock on his door and wake him up?
I agree that the lurkers are lurking away, what do you propose the town, led by you, do?
The situations are not identical, but I was voting Oats just like FT was. And Oats recognize the town was siding with me, so he caves in.. but look at the difference in how it is achieve. With FT he fully capitulates. With me, he is saying, you won this battle, but Im still watching you. Which is EXACTLY what a town ultra-aggressive person is going to do. Oats is not doing this in this game.
You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
+ Show Spoiler +Believe is every post in your filter regarding Stutters… On January 21 2013 17:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
On January 22 2013 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:02 FiveTouch wrote:
Honestly, prplhz's mafia flip just makes Oats look even worse than before. I could well have been choosing between two mafia in my deliberations.
Oats dismissed the prplhz case for no particular reason, while supporting the Stutters case, despite his general tone of not lynching for lurkers.
It's very hard to see a town Oats right now, with his attitude towards me/austin/stutters/prplhz. I dismissed the case cause I didnt think that the changes in meta were particularly scummy. Although his random WIFOM vote for you without any explaination probably put the nail in his coffin. I didnt want a mayor lynching a lurker like BroodkingEXE and Clarity. See the difference between them and Stutters? reason. On January 22 2013 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Regarding Gonzaw
Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch.
On January 22 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stutters was scum because:
My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active.
This post seems scummy to me because its not a reason not to be active. Day 1 reactions are good because its a time where you can see who is proactive and who isnt.
On January 24 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw, is that not clear?
Stutters also, but what little activity he is doing is kinda changing my mind, if its not consistant soon though, he is scum
I don’t see the difference between BKE/Clarity and Stutters. And you never provide detail on what the specifics are either. If Stutters is your 2nd scum read: Where is your pressure to Stutters? There is no aggression here? You say his little activity is changing your mind, how? Its never explained. This is I don’t give a fuck attitude, never seen before in town oats. And, if hes your scum read.. why..do you accuse Gonzaw for being scum because he “tested the waters” with Stutters? Shouldn’t you be supporting Gonzaw with this? Overall, You have not addressed a single question to Stutters. I call bullshit on you.
You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
+ Show Spoiler +You were the first to call out Gonzaw, but its hardly a scum read. You are just stating concern. On January 20 2013 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
So far, Gonzaw has a lot of activity but ima wait and see if its town motivated or scum motivated.
After this, when you start calling Gonzaw scum, it is ALWAYS after gonzaw says something to you. You are the one being OMGUS. E.G. Gonzaw then calls out your aggression on FiveTouch:On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote:
Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.
That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something.
I can't really see town motivation behind that.
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
...how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Gonzaw calls out Oats first & on top of that speaks about oats 2nd scum read Stutters… yet Oats later says Gonzaw is OMGUS him? Wat the. Oats then says On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Then after Gonzaw pressures him more, we get this: On January 21 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
You needed some time to think about that answer eh?
Get out. I dont have to answer to you what im doing at all times.
I think that using meta clinches a case but using meta solely isnt a good reason cause players change the way they play.
Stop nitpicking.
Gonzaw is a light shade of red, I think that scum need to have someone to control the mayoral elections or at least participate and I dont think that 5 touch is scum so by virtue of association and optimal play, I think gonzaw would flip red.
Complete OMGUS from here it just sinks worse and worse. Oats follows up with another OMGUS case later on. Yet he doesn’t recognize it? On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
+ Show Spoiler +e.G. You call out your favourite scum read On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
And then 1 minute later.. you post this. On January 24 2013 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Debears, willing to share your 'nail in the coffin' now?
Complete change in thought process. You have already moved on.. that’s not the motives in a person head when seriously scum hunting, they focused. Your dabbling in and out of conversation like you don’t care. Another example On January 23 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw,
Overall, it seems like Gonzaw thinks that im bad, OMGUS, and just discredits my case that way.
A few minutes later On January 23 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Double Lynch And a few more minutes later On January 23 2013 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 11:00 debears wrote:
1) Mafia has a few vets and they want us to have to decide between actual town vets and the scum vets
2) Mafia has multiple lurkers and want us to wifom into lynching our vets
What do you say? Isnt this all the possible scenarios? How does this helps us to find scum? He is completely removed from this scum read.. wat the?
You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I played really really bad in the town game that you quoted 5touch, as you said i wouldve gotten lynched until my claim.
Trying to play better, IE not be so fucking stupid about people. Follows up with why he is playing bad when FT puts pressure On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy.  Shy.. that’s the equivalent of saying im a newbie (Classic scum tactic)… I then post this On January 14 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Which game?
My first newbie game was fucking horrible and I was town,
My chrono game was different because there were 20-30 people, I was one of the few newbies, It was my first actual game. So yeah, since then, I have become more confident to pressure people.
This completely catches him out on the lie of being shy… he then retorts with On January 24 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta,
I have become more confident to pressure people.
Uhuh, so other than the start of the game, which was poor play which I already addressed,
Wouldnt you say im more confident than in my Chrono game? What the hell, a complete 180 and blatant lie. With more FT pressure he adds On January 24 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cant a guy try to make a joke and be cute about it? Apparently not.
Anyway, gonna sleep now.
and then follows up the next day with: On January 24 2013 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
The reason why I put the 'shy' bullshit, was that I completely forgot why I defended JX.
Conclusion
Blatant lies and making excuses for poor play. Classic scum tactics. Then flips in behavior is a guy going into damage control.. This coupled with his contributions to thread status quo (straight after pressuring a scum read) indicate he just doesn’t care.. odd, because of the ultra aggression he shows (to the people with low influence).. Definitely scum.
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On January 24 2013 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, tell me why 180s are scummy?
Man, out of all that, your defense is 3 points.
(2). You dont like how Gonzaw is going about addressing Stutters? At least he did...
Again if Stutters is your top scum read, why have you not addressed anything his way?
Seriously.. go to your filter and ctrl+f "stutters" the 5 or so posts I added is *IT* in a 7 page filter..
(3) Thanks for the grammar correction. Your obviously focused on making a townie defense....
You respond to my questions, with questions.. The fact is, when you have a top scum read and are scum hunting, the mind tends to focus to one objective.
The ability to make a case/raise points to your TOP SCUM READ, and then follow up with questions to randoms within 1minute, demonstrates your mind was never 100% focused on Gonzaw. Considering he is your top scum read.. as town. .this is very very unlikely to occur.
(1)
Why are the 180s scummy?
For me its a variety of reasons, but the main one for me is because your adjusting what you believe in, according to whats hot in the thread at the time. Its a way to blend in.
I also know from my game with you, your one track focus as I demonstrated with our game and you dropping your vote on me, but throwing in you felt everyone was brainwashed... its clear its hard for you to let go..
but this game, you change your opinion with reckless and wild abandon... thats politician play, trying to blend in with the hottest shit at the time.
Thats scummy Oats. Straight up, and you have done it on multiple occasions. As I proved earlier.
The vote remains.
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Toad.. .(or anyone)
With Chezinu.. any reasons you think he has been speaking coherently the past couple posts (i.e. not in Chez the brown riddles?)
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On January 24 2013 23:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok 5touch,
these 2 statments are mutually exclusive
[b] Cause you wanted to see how you could manipulate town?
Scum
Or cause you are lazy and wanted other town to have the responsibility?
Town.
Also,
I think being lazy is bad play
cause you are lazy
Are you now intentionally quoting like a retard? Preview the BBCode dude.. your quotes are so confusing.
What FT said is on the money.. other town in that phrasing infers you included him as town... thsu contradicting you.
your just digging the hole deeper.
[b]So do you want us to follow up on Grush or BKE Day 3?
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LOl.. thats ironic.
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LOL
so you build up quotes for FT
to then conclude with
"I'd like Mocsta lynch"
Vivax. grow a pair of balls and build a case against me if you want to campaign for my lynch.
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Writing this post to not be forgotten (by Vivax):
On January 24 2013 20:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said I played badly at the start, but got better as the game went on.
Seriously, Get comfirmation bias out of your head.
Oatsmaster, - Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression
- You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
- You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
- You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
- Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
- You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression
You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
+ Show Spoiler +Im going to post 3 consecutive posts from your filter (this is nothing new) (1) On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread.
In response to Gonzaw querying you over this post
Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. So you feel comfortable lunging into a low post smurf with zero town cred. When Gonzaw calls you out for the over the top aggression; you brush it off saying he pissed me off.. This is the oatsmaster Im used to. (2) On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me?
This is a direct reference again to FiveTouchAgain more flames of a zero town cred smurf. (3) On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Ok on to FiveTouch,
He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads.
Firstly, you back down on Gonzaw who has been questioning you about your behavior. Then you do a full 180’ on FT based on what? There is no progression of read, it’s a direct jump from quote (2) Retard to quote (3) leaking town. Now for the analysis.. lets say Oats is not dumb and recognize FT held influence. Because FT wanted to lynch Oats, you say. OK oats is going to get the kneepads out and massage FT gently… BUT.. is this really the style of an ultra-aggressive (town) player? The answer is no… I had a similar situation with Oats last game. Lets look at his response when Im becoming influential. (My comments are bolded) – from Newbie XXXV (finished 23/01/13) On January 13 2013 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let it be known, I will not be intimidated by you. I stand for an open environment, not the dictatorship that you seek.
Looks like you are trying to create a dictatorship to me.
Also, how did you brainwash all these people? HOW?
feel Oatsmaster will just try to derail it
So you dont have confirmation bias, right.
Also, with your current level of activity, and the way you defended yourself.
##Unvote
HOWEVER
I really dont like the way you are going around buddying everybody and keep referring to yourself as an excellent town player.
yet at least 1 individual is yet to post with 24hrs expired.
Are you not concerned with this behaviour?
What do you want me/everyone to do? Knock on his door and wake him up?
I agree that the lurkers are lurking away, what do you propose the town, led by you, do?
The situations are not identical, but I was voting Oats just like FT was. And Oats recognize the town was siding with me, so he caves in.. but look at the difference in how it is achieve. With FT he fully capitulates. With me, he is saying, you won this battle, but Im still watching you. Which is EXACTLY what a town ultra-aggressive person is going to do. Oats is not doing this in this game.
You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
+ Show Spoiler +Believe is every post in your filter regarding Stutters… On January 21 2013 17:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
On January 22 2013 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:02 FiveTouch wrote:
Honestly, prplhz's mafia flip just makes Oats look even worse than before. I could well have been choosing between two mafia in my deliberations.
Oats dismissed the prplhz case for no particular reason, while supporting the Stutters case, despite his general tone of not lynching for lurkers.
It's very hard to see a town Oats right now, with his attitude towards me/austin/stutters/prplhz. I dismissed the case cause I didnt think that the changes in meta were particularly scummy. Although his random WIFOM vote for you without any explaination probably put the nail in his coffin. I didnt want a mayor lynching a lurker like BroodkingEXE and Clarity. See the difference between them and Stutters? reason. On January 22 2013 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Regarding Gonzaw
Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch.
On January 22 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stutters was scum because:
My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active.
This post seems scummy to me because its not a reason not to be active. Day 1 reactions are good because its a time where you can see who is proactive and who isnt.
On January 24 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw, is that not clear?
Stutters also, but what little activity he is doing is kinda changing my mind, if its not consistant soon though, he is scum
I don’t see the difference between BKE/Clarity and Stutters. And you never provide detail on what the specifics are either. If Stutters is your 2nd scum read: Where is your pressure to Stutters? There is no aggression here? You say his little activity is changing your mind, how? Its never explained. This is I don’t give a fuck attitude, never seen before in town oats. And, if hes your scum read.. why..do you accuse Gonzaw for being scum because he “tested the waters” with Stutters? Shouldn’t you be supporting Gonzaw with this? Overall, You have not addressed a single question to Stutters. I call bullshit on you.
You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
+ Show Spoiler +You were the first to call out Gonzaw, but its hardly a scum read. You are just stating concern. On January 20 2013 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
So far, Gonzaw has a lot of activity but ima wait and see if its town motivated or scum motivated.
After this, when you start calling Gonzaw scum, it is ALWAYS after gonzaw says something to you. You are the one being OMGUS. E.G. Gonzaw then calls out your aggression on FiveTouch:On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote:
Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.
That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something.
I can't really see town motivation behind that.
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
...how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Gonzaw calls out Oats first & on top of that speaks about oats 2nd scum read Stutters… yet Oats later says Gonzaw is OMGUS him? Wat the. Oats then says On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Then after Gonzaw pressures him more, we get this: On January 21 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
You needed some time to think about that answer eh?
Get out. I dont have to answer to you what im doing at all times.
I think that using meta clinches a case but using meta solely isnt a good reason cause players change the way they play.
Stop nitpicking.
Gonzaw is a light shade of red, I think that scum need to have someone to control the mayoral elections or at least participate and I dont think that 5 touch is scum so by virtue of association and optimal play, I think gonzaw would flip red.
Complete OMGUS from here it just sinks worse and worse. Oats follows up with another OMGUS case later on. Yet he doesn’t recognize it? On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
+ Show Spoiler +e.G. You call out your favourite scum read On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
And then 1 minute later.. you post this. On January 24 2013 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Debears, willing to share your 'nail in the coffin' now?
Complete change in thought process. You have already moved on.. that’s not the motives in a person head when seriously scum hunting, they focused. Your dabbling in and out of conversation like you don’t care. Another example On January 23 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw,
Overall, it seems like Gonzaw thinks that im bad, OMGUS, and just discredits my case that way.
A few minutes later On January 23 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Double Lynch And a few more minutes later On January 23 2013 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 11:00 debears wrote:
1) Mafia has a few vets and they want us to have to decide between actual town vets and the scum vets
2) Mafia has multiple lurkers and want us to wifom into lynching our vets
What do you say? Isnt this all the possible scenarios? How does this helps us to find scum? He is completely removed from this scum read.. wat the?
You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I played really really bad in the town game that you quoted 5touch, as you said i wouldve gotten lynched until my claim.
Trying to play better, IE not be so fucking stupid about people. Follows up with why he is playing bad when FT puts pressure On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy. Shy.. that’s the equivalent of saying im a newbie (Classic scum tactic)… I then post this On January 14 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Which game?
My first newbie game was fucking horrible and I was town,
My chrono game was different because there were 20-30 people, I was one of the few newbies, It was my first actual game. So yeah, since then, I have become more confident to pressure people.
This completely catches him out on the lie of being shy… he then retorts with On January 24 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta,
I have become more confident to pressure people.
Uhuh, so other than the start of the game, which was poor play which I already addressed,
Wouldnt you say im more confident than in my Chrono game? What the hell, a complete 180 and blatant lie. With more FT pressure he adds On January 24 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cant a guy try to make a joke and be cute about it? Apparently not.
Anyway, gonna sleep now.
and then follows up the next day with: On January 24 2013 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
The reason why I put the 'shy' bullshit, was that I completely forgot why I defended JX.
Conclusion
Blatant lies and making excuses for poor play. Classic scum tactics. Then flips in behavior is a guy going into damage control.. This coupled with his contributions to thread status quo (straight after pressuring a scum read) indicate he just doesn’t care.. odd, because of the ultra aggression he shows (to the people with low influence).. Definitely scum.
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Lol and all this time
I thought you were going to reason, its retarded because he said Oats is likely to be town
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Night guys. Will be back around 1-2hr before lynch.
Vivax this is for you regarding your concerns.
+ Show Spoiler [Present for Vivax] +On January 25 2013 00:13 Mocsta wrote:Writing this post to not be forgotten (by Vivax):Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 20:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I said I played badly at the start, but got better as the game went on.
Seriously, Get comfirmation bias out of your head. Oatsmaster, - Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression
- You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
- You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
- You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
- Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
- You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Your posts are full of out-of-place aggression You pick on zero town cred players, and then once they are influential you conveniently do a full 180’
+ Show Spoiler +Im going to post 3 consecutive posts from your filter (this is nothing new) (1) On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread.
In response to Gonzaw querying you over this post
Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. So you feel comfortable lunging into a low post smurf with zero town cred. When Gonzaw calls you out for the over the top aggression; you brush it off saying he pissed me off.. This is the oatsmaster Im used to. (2) On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me?
This is a direct reference again to FiveTouchAgain more flames of a zero town cred smurf. (3) On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Ok on to FiveTouch,
He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads.
Firstly, you back down on Gonzaw who has been questioning you about your behavior. Then you do a full 180’ on FT based on what? There is no progression of read, it’s a direct jump from quote (2) Retard to quote (3) leaking town. Now for the analysis.. lets say Oats is not dumb and recognize FT held influence. Because FT wanted to lynch Oats, you say. OK oats is going to get the kneepads out and massage FT gently… BUT.. is this really the style of an ultra-aggressive (town) player? The answer is no… I had a similar situation with Oats last game. Lets look at his response when Im becoming influential. (My comments are bolded) – from Newbie XXXV (finished 23/01/13) On January 13 2013 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let it be known, I will not be intimidated by you. I stand for an open environment, not the dictatorship that you seek.
Looks like you are trying to create a dictatorship to me.
Also, how did you brainwash all these people? HOW?
feel Oatsmaster will just try to derail it
So you dont have confirmation bias, right.
Also, with your current level of activity, and the way you defended yourself.
##Unvote
HOWEVER
I really dont like the way you are going around buddying everybody and keep referring to yourself as an excellent town player.
yet at least 1 individual is yet to post with 24hrs expired.
Are you not concerned with this behaviour?
What do you want me/everyone to do? Knock on his door and wake him up?
I agree that the lurkers are lurking away, what do you propose the town, led by you, do?
The situations are not identical, but I was voting Oats just like FT was. And Oats recognize the town was siding with me, so he caves in.. but look at the difference in how it is achieve. With FT he fully capitulates. With me, he is saying, you won this battle, but Im still watching you. Which is EXACTLY what a town ultra-aggressive person is going to do. Oats is not doing this in this game.
You list Stutters as a top scum read, but barely follow up
+ Show Spoiler +Believe is every post in your filter regarding Stutters… On January 21 2013 17:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
On January 22 2013 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:02 FiveTouch wrote:
Honestly, prplhz's mafia flip just makes Oats look even worse than before. I could well have been choosing between two mafia in my deliberations.
Oats dismissed the prplhz case for no particular reason, while supporting the Stutters case, despite his general tone of not lynching for lurkers.
It's very hard to see a town Oats right now, with his attitude towards me/austin/stutters/prplhz. I dismissed the case cause I didnt think that the changes in meta were particularly scummy. Although his random WIFOM vote for you without any explaination probably put the nail in his coffin. I didnt want a mayor lynching a lurker like BroodkingEXE and Clarity. See the difference between them and Stutters? reason. On January 22 2013 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Regarding Gonzaw
Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch.
On January 22 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stutters was scum because:
My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active.
This post seems scummy to me because its not a reason not to be active. Day 1 reactions are good because its a time where you can see who is proactive and who isnt.
On January 24 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw, is that not clear?
Stutters also, but what little activity he is doing is kinda changing my mind, if its not consistant soon though, he is scum
I don’t see the difference between BKE/Clarity and Stutters. And you never provide detail on what the specifics are either. If Stutters is your 2nd scum read: Where is your pressure to Stutters? There is no aggression here? You say his little activity is changing your mind, how? Its never explained. This is I don’t give a fuck attitude, never seen before in town oats. And, if hes your scum read.. why..do you accuse Gonzaw for being scum because he “tested the waters” with Stutters? Shouldn’t you be supporting Gonzaw with this? Overall, You have not addressed a single question to Stutters. I call bullshit on you.
You list Gonzaw as a scum read, but its all OMGUS, your always replying to his criticisms…
+ Show Spoiler +You were the first to call out Gonzaw, but its hardly a scum read. You are just stating concern. On January 20 2013 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
So far, Gonzaw has a lot of activity but ima wait and see if its town motivated or scum motivated.
After this, when you start calling Gonzaw scum, it is ALWAYS after gonzaw says something to you. You are the one being OMGUS. E.G. Gonzaw then calls out your aggression on FiveTouch:On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote:
Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.
That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something.
I can't really see town motivation behind that.
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
...how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Gonzaw calls out Oats first & on top of that speaks about oats 2nd scum read Stutters… yet Oats later says Gonzaw is OMGUS him? Wat the. Oats then says On January 21 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Then after Gonzaw pressures him more, we get this: On January 21 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
You needed some time to think about that answer eh?
Get out. I dont have to answer to you what im doing at all times.
I think that using meta clinches a case but using meta solely isnt a good reason cause players change the way they play.
Stop nitpicking.
Gonzaw is a light shade of red, I think that scum need to have someone to control the mayoral elections or at least participate and I dont think that 5 touch is scum so by virtue of association and optimal play, I think gonzaw would flip red.
Complete OMGUS from here it just sinks worse and worse. Oats follows up with another OMGUS case later on. Yet he doesn’t recognize it? On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
Your followup points/cases on Gonzaw are all single posts interspersed between status quo conversation. You never attack Gonzaw in a barrage of aggressive posts which is typical Oatsmaster style; or even typical style of anyone actively scumhunting their target.
+ Show Spoiler +e.G. You call out your favourite scum read On January 24 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw.
Also, please tell me how my case on you is OMGUS and not you being scum?
And then 1 minute later.. you post this. On January 24 2013 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Debears, willing to share your 'nail in the coffin' now?
Complete change in thought process. You have already moved on.. that’s not the motives in a person head when seriously scum hunting, they focused. Your dabbling in and out of conversation like you don’t care. Another example On January 23 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gonzaw,
Overall, it seems like Gonzaw thinks that im bad, OMGUS, and just discredits my case that way.
A few minutes later On January 23 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Double Lynch And a few more minutes later On January 23 2013 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 11:00 debears wrote:
1) Mafia has a few vets and they want us to have to decide between actual town vets and the scum vets
2) Mafia has multiple lurkers and want us to wifom into lynching our vets
What do you say? Isnt this all the possible scenarios? How does this helps us to find scum? He is completely removed from this scum read.. wat the?
You lie about your behavior, categorizing yourself as shy due to playing with vets. Then again do a full 180’ saying you were trying to be cute and were joking
+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I played really really bad in the town game that you quoted 5touch, as you said i wouldve gotten lynched until my claim.
Trying to play better, IE not be so fucking stupid about people. Follows up with why he is playing bad when FT puts pressure On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy. Shy.. that’s the equivalent of saying im a newbie (Classic scum tactic)… I then post this On January 14 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Which game?
My first newbie game was fucking horrible and I was town,
My chrono game was different because there were 20-30 people, I was one of the few newbies, It was my first actual game. So yeah, since then, I have become more confident to pressure people.
This completely catches him out on the lie of being shy… he then retorts with On January 24 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta,
I have become more confident to pressure people.
Uhuh, so other than the start of the game, which was poor play which I already addressed,
Wouldnt you say im more confident than in my Chrono game? What the hell, a complete 180 and blatant lie. With more FT pressure he adds On January 24 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cant a guy try to make a joke and be cute about it? Apparently not.
Anyway, gonna sleep now.
and then follows up the next day with: On January 24 2013 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
The reason why I put the 'shy' bullshit, was that I completely forgot why I defended JX.
Blatant lies and making excuses for poor play. Classic scum tactics. Then flips in behavior is a guy going into damage control.. This coupled with his contributions to thread status quo (straight after pressuring a scum read) indicate he just doesn’t care.. odd, because of the ultra aggression he shows (to the people with low influence).. Definitely scum.
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OK im back.. caught up to the 15 pages over night
(1) I disagree with Yamato defense of Oats; I will address this during Night phase due to point (2)
(2) This Vivax stuff is doing my head in.. I have PM the host to confirm if DT give out role information or just alignment check. awaiting response (i doubt I will get one in time)
I do not like the way Gonzaw handled the accusation; and has disappeared as well since. Doesnt matter if he is lazy, normally town put up a fight if mislynched (and he certainyl didnt rage quit)... and if it is heading to mislynch I thought they provide reads etc to aid town post-mislynch.
None of this is happening.
I am swapping my vote to Gonzaw due to Vivax claim... and will address yamato during night phase.
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Mods, if a DT checked a mafia that held roles, jack + mason; can you please confirm what the check would return? I assume it would be mafia OR Jack + Mason
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On January 25 2013 09:12 Vivax wrote:
Toad said there is another DT, since that DT is unknown and his check is supposed to "go off", he can just jail me and there will still be one DT working right? For now I'm the only 100% confirmed town (after the gonzaw flip)
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Your not confirmed town in my eyes. If you hit a second mafia then I will reconsider..
With your play so far im not ruling out a bus.
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On January 25 2013 03:25 gonzaw wrote:
If this was a "legit" frame/attempt to misslynch me it's weird as fuck because "jack mason" doesn't make any sense.
So gonzaw throws in the frame stuff to potentially play some WIFOM (In my last game (played scum).. we had already discussed if any of us was cop checked, we would play the frame card.. just like Gonzaw did now.. its a WIFOM bomb and very hard to dispute with the information in the thread)
Whats interesting however is his initial response to being under the pump
On January 25 2013 03:24 gonzaw wrote:
WTF?
That's so obviously bullshit. I didn't mason anybody at all that doesn't make sense?
Wow holy shit let me think about this
On January 25 2013 03:40 gonzaw wrote:
I am also a VT, which doesn't matter at all anyways so might as well claim.
If I was VT. I would know straight away I been framed.. “hey guys I didn’t mason anybody.. im a vt”
It takes him 15 min to post he is a VT.. this is suspect (if he was framed)
Now, if we assume the frame is debuffed. This is interesting too
On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote:
Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill).
Unless some of them were a vig shot.
Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"?
Everyone was shocked ppl like JX were killed.. and his response is “I saw this coming” and immediately has the clarity of mind to assume vig…
This is fishy as, and to me, with the jack check, makes sense.. he was already prepared to throw out vig before the kills occurred.
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On January 25 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:
LOL Mocsta. If you are town you should go play tetris.
A bus, right.
Considering the accusations you have been throwing around the past 36hours - by your standards- my consideration of bus is tame and safe.
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I didnt say you were likely bussing anyone.
I said I havent ruled it out, thus you are not confirmed town to me.... its pretty clear
As for the slips; I dont base too much on those, its usually town who falsely slip due to not proof checking; whereas mafia are much more inclined to proof-read and re-read.
So I was looking at behaviour;and he was the one who threw out being framed, and he was the one who threw out a vig hit..very curious, and considering he never followed it up or set any questions to follow up with it; I can only interpret it as non-town motivated information designed as WIFOM.
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On January 25 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote:
This way, when someone checks your filter and skims it ignoring the context, they will think you posted a good point about gonzaw (cause it is) and it makes you look less suspicious.
Thank you for having the balls to admit that Vivax. Regardless of your behaviour this game, that means something to me
(no sarcasm intended)
And I disagree.. I been asleep the past 6 hours, caught up the thread, and made my own decision to swap to gonzaw.. i didnt sheep. the information i provided was original thought... thats a huge different.
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On January 25 2013 09:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +
And I disagree.. I been asleep the past 6 hours, caught up the thread, and made my own decision to swap to gonzaw.. i didnt sheep. the information i provided was original thought... thats a huge different.
Mocsta, why do you feel that its important to express your non-sheepiness?
Because im trying to contribute..
Sheeping is an easy way to mafia to blend in - i think.
if i provide original thought at least that goes some way to show im trying to critically think.
it also gives ppl an opportunity to debunk my logic... and get a better read on me..(for better or worse)
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On January 25 2013 09:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote:
I didnt say you were likely bussing anyone.
I said I havent ruled it out, thus you are not confirmed town to me.... its pretty clear
As for the slips; I dont base too much on those, its usually town who falsely slip due to not proof checking; whereas mafia are much more inclined to proof-read and re-read.
So I was looking at behaviour;and he was the one who threw out being framed, and he was the one who threw out a vig hit..very curious, and considering he never followed it up or set any questions to follow up with it; I can only interpret it as non-town motivated information designed as WIFOM. This is bullshit. This happens purely based on player skill. Town can slip, mafia can slip. Every slip has to be treated individually, that's why I'm not after annul any more for his earlier one, which was rather him looking nervous after a mistake. As for the slip, it has nothing to do with proof-checking.
It has to do with gonzaw calling yamato a mafia mayor when he's arguing why he thinks yamato is town
And yamatos hostile behaviour towards the claim when he announced that he thought gonzaw is scum in the post just before.
And yamatos clearly different meta. But that's not the slip. It's all in my filter.
OK, that was written coherently for me.
I think Gonzaw stake is sealed... *IF* Gonzaw flips red. .i will look into Yamato as next target
*IF* Gonzaw flips red it also goes a long way to proving Oats innocence (after Day 1 scum.. there was no reason for mafia to bus Day2 throughout Night1/Day2).. but we need to wait for flip.
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Thats all good and well.. im not disputing that.
Im saying its all hearsay until we see teh flip.. Then we can build the associations. I can wait 7min before making up my mind
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Yeah that was an awesome rhyme.. good ol' Will Smith.
Oats, I already explained your answer.. i express because i feel its important...
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