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On January 24 2013 02:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:04 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:
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The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it:
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Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite?
I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Just because I was musing. If Oats is town: There is a roughly 1/10 chance of Oatsmaster being randomly selected as bodyguard. If Oats is mafia: Is there a greater than 1/10 chance that Oatsmaster is put in as bodyguard? I would contend yes. I'm still under the assumption that both our elected folk are town. If that's the case, scumoats as a BG gives him a little bit of cover when he was under pressure D1 and would probably be under pressure D2. Mafia risks outing scum BGs ONLY if they want to kill FT/Toad before the bodyguards have been outed as mafia, and they gain some towncred for the mafia BGs so long as those two are alive. I don't see a lot of downside to scum BGs, or a scum BG, in that case. If your bodyguards live, that's a day or two holding onto 2 KP, and maybe you think being a BG gives them a better chance to survive than not-BG. If town still kills them, well, by installing mafia BG(s), you made it easier to shoot the elected folk. Regardless of any other strategy involved, installing mafia BG(s) just makes it easier to get at the officials, whether they out the BGs or not.
Yes, this is how I interpret it to, and you worded quite well. If, for example, mafia consider they can't save Oatsmaster from the lynch because the mayor who just lynched mafia wants him dead, mafia may as well use the opportunity to get rid of a bodyguard for free.
Of course this doesn't have to be the case, but it's extremely plausible.
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Why does Vivax keep pushing the towniest town guys in the game? Jesus.
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On January 24 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 04:29 gonzaw wrote:
I don't think yamato is scum, because he is heavily involved in discussions, was pretty active on D1, yet didn't seem to try and push a scum agenda (for instance get elected as scum mayor, or try to get a scum mayor elected)
[quote="Vivax"]two different styles of talking to his scumreads
I'm not really seeing this, but I'm not paying that much attention right now.
Those 3 quotes of town/scum games don't tell me much at first glance DAFUQ? Gonzaw you made this too easy for me. Hf in your qt.
I sincerely hope you have smoked a large amount of wacky backy. yamato did not try to get himself elected - therefore if he were scum he wasn't pushing to become scum mayor. yamato voted for me - thus again not voting for mafia.
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Time to put Vivax on the ignore list, folks.
If he were scum, that's what he would be doing. It's so simple to comprehend.
yamato is fairly clearly town because of his meta, not mafia. If you read the scumQT of his mafia game and the game itself, it's clear he both participated in really weird logic, and struggled much more to post than is the case here. Here he is often driving discussion forward, something he never did in his game as mafia.
You need to take a break, Vivax.
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gonzaw, you haven't been as much a central figure as I expected you to be this game. Is there a reason for this?
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Stutters - I notice that you have either only defended yourself or commented on nothing relevant all game. We have no idea who you want to lynch. Given we're 4 game days in, why is this exactly?
Broodking - you are even lurkier than normal. Why are you not participating in town discussion in any way?
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EBWOP - 4 real-time days. The opposite of the one I said.
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On January 24 2013 05:38 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 05:34 Vivax wrote:
Your head is full of shit, Bugs. I'm going to press this game into your meme-throbbing head forever. I'd tone down the arrogance if I were you, given that your reads so far this game have been proven to be awful. You have no position to talk like this, and I'd suggest that if you want to be respected and for your opinion to be valued that you take time to cool off. Otherwise, I'm just going to ignore you, since your recent posting has been nothing more than a cancer to town. Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 05:33 FiveTouch wrote:
Stutters - I notice that you have either only defended yourself or commented on nothing relevant all game. We have no idea who you want to lynch. Given we're 4 game days in, why is this exactly?
Broodking - you are even lurkier than normal. Why are you not participating in town discussion in any way? I'm having doubts about Chezinu. Want to talk about it? Specifically, I can't reconcile why Chezinu would not vote for me or you when he claimed to have an interest in lynching prplhz. That's literally the only reason I have him down as town-he wanted to kill prplhz. However, his last minute vote switch from himself to austin/gonzaw seemed as if he wanted to accomplish something with it. Toad had 4 votes and gonzaw/austin had 3 each. Do you think it's possible that scum were trying to get someone other than Toad into that position? I believe at the time it was known that Toad was a mason, correct? I believe him when he says that he is busy due to school, but unlike last game, he has no reads that I can really recall. His only read on prplhz was based on his rule.
Chezinu is interesting. Yes, we can take the prplhz thing for granted now. But we've had nothing since then. I know that Chezinu was masoned with two people and was more active in PMs than he was here.
What we're missing from Chezinu, though, are his reads, no matter how he wants to deliver them. Because actually Chezinu's attack of prplhz could have come from a mafia Chez - it could have been a joking bus or an easy way to contribute; he didn't know that you and then me would run with it.
In short, I understand your doubts and share them. I had him as leaning town previously, but his vote-switching plus lack of contributions have moved him back to null at best for me.
There's also the issue that he may have been lying, although it's Chez and I may have misread the context or misinterpreted:
Original Message From Chezinu:
but I don't really. He's not that good at finding mafia. He could be mafia... but you can't judge him based on his reads. Well, even if he is mafia - he could persuade mafia not to kill me. I would kill him last.
The last game I had thoughts that he was mafia, but in the end he was town.Good thing I didn't go after him for the sole reason of roleplay.
The player that Chezinu is talking about, he has not played with before. I'm struggling to work out what to make of this.
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It contains nothing of importance other than the possible lie, so yes.
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He's talking about Mocsta.
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On January 24 2013 06:09 austinmcc wrote:
Mocsta also hasn't roleplayed here...
You sure you're not misinterpreting who he was talking about?
I'm fairly sure he's referring to himself with regards to the roleplay bit. And he is almost certainly referring to Mocsta. I'm willing to hear what he has to say about it before I lynch him for it, however, especially when I'm pretty sure another player is mafia already.
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On January 24 2013 06:12 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 06:05 DearestSnot wrote:
Who is the player he is talking about, and which game? If it certainly is a lie then we should just kill him for it. Why don't you start with FT and gonzaw saying that yamato didn't post a candidacy for mayor then?
If you really think what yamato did was seriously run for mayor, you need your head examined.
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On January 24 2013 06:18 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 06:12 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 06:09 austinmcc wrote:
Mocsta also hasn't roleplayed here...
You sure you're not misinterpreting who he was talking about? I'm fairly sure he's referring to himself with regards to the roleplay bit. And he is almost certainly referring to Mocsta. I'm willing to hear what he has to say about it before I lynch him for it, however, especially when I'm pretty sure another player is mafia already. these PMs are from a masonry between you and Chezinu or someone else? Mocsta's not a smurf, right? I don't see him in the DB. I looked at Chezinu's most recent games, in LVII mocsta was not there. You sure about this?
In a... useful turn of fortune, the two masons who masoned Chezinu on Day 1 masoned me today.
Mocsta has just come up through the recent newbie games, so he's not a smurf.
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That sounds about right. Although you do put it slightly confusingly.
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On January 24 2013 06:27 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 06:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 06:18 DearestSnot wrote:On January 24 2013 06:12 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 06:09 austinmcc wrote:
Mocsta also hasn't roleplayed here...
You sure you're not misinterpreting who he was talking about? I'm fairly sure he's referring to himself with regards to the roleplay bit. And he is almost certainly referring to Mocsta. I'm willing to hear what he has to say about it before I lynch him for it, however, especially when I'm pretty sure another player is mafia already. these PMs are from a masonry between you and Chezinu or someone else? Mocsta's not a smurf, right? I don't see him in the DB. I looked at Chezinu's most recent games, in LVII mocsta was not there. You sure about this? In a... useful turn of fortune, the two masons who masoned Chezinu on Day 1 masoned me today. Mocsta has just come up through the recent newbie games, so he's not a smurf. You believe they are both town? Did he say this to both of them? I am honestly down to kill him just based on this.
The two masons are two of my stronger town-reads, yes. I'm still not killing him today until he answers for it. If Chezinu AFKs out until towards the end of Day 3 without explaining it, he can be lynched then.
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On January 24 2013 06:33 DearestSnot wrote:
grush's mason is definitely the weirdest. He basically just masoned yamato and afked. Why yamato?
I don't see why a scum team would give him a mason role and then use it but not really use it, though. It's confusing.
I agree, none of it makes much sense to me either. And grush hasn't answered that very question I put to him whenever it was.
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You know very well who I want to lynch today, bugs.
And before you complain at me that you're sure he's town, you've also been quite sure others have been town recently and been incorrect.
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On January 24 2013 06:37 DearestSnot wrote:
well if we're lynching Oats then I'm not going to oppose it. I'm probably the only player who believes that he's town, so I'm willing to just let him die.
There was a time not so long ago that I would probably have defended him from the lynch but it's just not worth it :p
The problem with Oats is that he just lies or contradicts himself repeatedly. I can't reconcile it with him being town at all. Here's me pressuring him in obviously quite a serious manner:
On January 23 2013 23:48 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote:lol Still under the spell of returning to mafia :D I only played the game for 72 hours so it barely counts  What counts is that you were immediately suspicious of Mocsta in the game you just finished playing, and in general you were suspicious of many players Day 1. Which is the complete opposite of your attitude this game.
He defends himself from what I said:
On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy. 
So the reason that he's not suspicious of players this game, completely unlike his most recent game, is that he's shy, he's taking a backseat. Except he's now asserting he's actually more confident:
On January 24 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta,
I have become more confident to pressure people.
Uhuh, so other than the start of the game, which was poor play which I already addressed,
Wouldnt you say im more confident than in my Chrono game?
And that him being shy is a joke:
On January 24 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cant a guy try to make a joke and be cute about it? Apparently not.
Anyway, gonna sleep now.
Vivax, please think before you post.
So him being shy is a joke. So, back to my original, valid point - why is Oatsmaster not suspicious of people this game and pointing fingers and making cases? It can't be because he's shy, because that was a joke. But then, in fact, there's no answer for it at all and the point stands.
His whole play this game is marred by contradictions such as these, and his meta heavily supports him being mafia.
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On January 24 2013 06:54 Vivax wrote:
And what makes you think he isn't a bad townie?
The fact he plays nothing like this as town is a good one. You know, the lack of suspicion/aggression that I mention in the very post you're replying to, if you're able to read.
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Why not? Mafia do it all the time. That's precisely why I picked up on it in the first place.
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