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gonzaw
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On January 24 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote: Hey gonzaw, what do you think about my current scumreads? Haven't read the whole read to check what they are, and don't have much time right now. When I finish reading the thread and responding to people I'll check them out. | ||
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gonzaw
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[quote="Vivax"]two different styles of talking to his scumreads[/quote] I'm not really seeing this, but I'm not paying that much attention right now. Those 3 quotes of town/scum games don't tell me much at first glance | ||
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gonzaw
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If he was scum, he'd try to get elected as scum mayor, specially since he did try to get elected at one point in time, based on his activity and how he was playing at the time Holy shit Vivax | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 23 2013 23:29 FiveTouch wrote: Anyway, gonzaw. His prplhz stuff looks bad, although to be fair he's not the only one. The problem with gonzaw is that he should really know better. What do you mean by "should know better"? prplhz obviously wasn't a "bad lynch" by D1 by any standards. I just felt it was mostly a shot in the dark, he could flip scum or town. Thus I didn't feel he would be a good lynch on D1 ahead of other people I felt WAY more confident on, like Oats, and some people that I was not that sure (because their lack of activity basically) but still felt more confident on, like Stutters, and maybe Clarity. There's one other post I've had written down since I read it in Day 1, I didn't like the bolded at all, casually suggesting he wouldn't have ran for mayor as mafia. I absolutely believe gonzaw would run for mayor as mafia, so this looks quite bad to me. Well, I don't really know how you would take that, but it's true. I didn't push a mayor candidacy on me on pre-game, and that obviously happened before I got my role PM. At the time I was thinking "I want to be mayor so bad....but if I flip scum I may regret going all in about a mayor candidacy on pre-game, it basically forces me to run for mayor as scum, no matter what" I dunno if I would have run as mayor as scum, maybe I would. It would heavily depend on what team I was in (for instance I dont' think I'd seriously run as mayor if my scumteam was you+wbg+sandro for instance). That could be WIFOM and I have no way of saying if I would or not....so yeah I don't think we should really dwell on that to be honest. On January 23 2013 12:09 DearestSnot wrote: I like gonzaw for a lynch actually. I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes. I always get the "gonzaw seems too dumb to be town" thing often, but I seriously can't see what I'm doing "dumb" this game (in contrast to, for instance, my derps in Can't Believe). I think you are rushing this too much. You don't even seem to believe I'm scum with this. I take it it's the whole night kill issue and my comments, which I can easily explain to avoid misunderstandings. If I seem "neutral" at times (which I don't really see, maybe with some players like annul/BKE/lurkers/etc last night), then...well I dunno. If I am indeed at points, it may be because this is a big game and it's harder for me to keep up than minis, and I prefer to "waste my time" being in the thread and seeing/being part of interactions/discussions. I'm too lazy at times to reread filters in big games and make "in-depth" analysis  His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was. My mayoral campaing was that I'd try to establish my innocent and hunt scum, like I do every time I'm town. Yes, I always try to be transparent when town as well. Don't know why you don't feel like I was, I think I was. My lynch candidate, or rather "who I wanted Five to lynch", was Oats on D1 basically. At that point I was still not 100% sure so I wouldn't have mind a lynch on Stutters, or maybe Clarity, at least at one point in time. After I basically knew I wasn't the mayor any more, I didn't try to desperately "find a lynch candidate now!", and instead try to find who I'd want Five to lynch, or ultimately (if something unexpected happened, like someone else becoming mayor, or maybe even me) who I'd be okay with the elected guy lynching. On January 23 2013 20:45 Toadesstern wrote: gonzaw looks / looked a townie so far and I really thought he'd die as a secondary target as you can see when you're reading the logs between Sandro and myself. And Sandro agreed so that's one of the reaons I'm talking about Gonzaw right now. Well I obviously didn't. Stop WIFOMing yourself like this Toad. After you started basically yelling at medics who to protect (me/austin/sandro/wbg), I had a feeling I wouldn't die at night, which is why I wasn't surprised about the night kills (again, except the sandro one, which did seem like scum took a risk at shooting). | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 23 2013 15:17 debears wrote: Ok. WBG I'll give you something to look at for Gonzaw. I htink the bottom stuff in red is the most pertaining to why I believe he is scum What is mafia trying to accomplish d1 with election 1) elect one of their own as mayor/sheriff 2) Trying to elect mayor who will get the first lynch wrong 3) Have someone on the correct mayor for town cred Gonzaw- - slight scum Up for election - didn't push it hard Didn't want to budge too fast on 5touch as mayor -----> didn't seem to care for trying to get mayor over 5 You might want to reread my mayor campaign. I wanted D1 to run "smoothly as normal", and if people thought I was a good mayor candidate by mid-late D1 then it'd be great if they voted me. I was also absent/sleeping for much part of Five "rising to power". When I woke up one day Five already had like 5-6 votes and I had none, I obviously wasn't becoming mayor by that point and he was. No comment on prplhz----> Don't agree with prplhz lynch Heavy pressure on sandro early Wanted to lynch stutters and Oats and Clarity -spread out btw those 4. Big discrepancy in treatment btw prplhz and sandro treatment for being inactive d1 Votes himself sandro is sandro. When town he does big plays as early as possible, he tries to "bully the setup", break the game, and have town win as early as possible. You can't obviously compare him with prplhz. Really wanted to convince 5touch to lynch Oats over prplhz when realized he won't be mayor Yes I did. I don't think it matters anyways, since I believe Oats to be scum. Lol this actually reminds me of Aperture Mafia 2. I was on scum's tail all D1 (JingleHell), but made some "wishy washy" comments about the current lynched scum (iamp). I got flak for it the whole game and basically forced me to claim, when I was right all along lol. Funny how it's likely to be happening this game as well http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17590733 Thought stutters was scum and should be lynched, yet needs to explain himself to stutters so in depth? With a tone of treating Oats as town? Look at post before "stutters should be lynched" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17599229 Does it again. Then names Oats first in the scum team Tries to convince Oats that Oats is scum. Not really trying to convince others and show scum motivation You don't seem to be familiar with my play. When I "try to convince my target he is scum", I'm obviously not doing that. What I'm doing is: -If somehow that guy is town, point out the scummy things he's doing, and how they come from a mafia perspective. If he's town, hopefully this will make him realize what he's doing and change his play accordingly, so he doesn't get misslynched -I want the guy to know why he's scummy, this way he has no way to hide. If he keeps acting like he is doing after I mention that, then it means he acknowledged what I said but didn't care about it. That is a strong indication of mafia for me (or at points, depending on his play, maybe a townie), depending on his reactions. -If the guy is scum, then it also kills 2 birds with 1 stone by showing other people why he's scum. | ||
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gonzaw
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It does seem "odd" that Toad just happened to not protect sandro and sandro died....but it doesn't mean much, it doesn't automatically make him scum like you are saying, specially since he told medics to protect sandro, which if he was scum he'd have thought they could have. I may need to reread Toad's filter, but from D1/N1 I had him as basically very likely town. Him flip-flopping on me based on WIFOM does remind me of when he was scum in MTG Mafia lol (when Nova wasn't killed by scum and he started WIFOMing all over the place). Hmm...interesting, hope you are not doing the same shit again Toad >_> On January 24 2013 04:54 FiveTouch wrote: gonzaw, you haven't been as much a central figure as I expected you to be this game. Is there a reason for this? Well, here's the thing: Mafia games take like 70% of my free time. I need to be constantly reading the thread, catching up with the thread, at times rereading filters, etc. I decided to do some other shit this weak, since I'm on holidays. So I spent some of my free time playing games, or reading, or playing guitar, etc. I also go to sleep late, and wake up late (like 3-4 pm in here). Most of that stuff takes time away from playing mafia, although not that much when I'm just skimming the thread. It's been some time since I played a "big game" as town (last one was Aperture 1 I believe, but it was like 1 year ago), maybe that has to do with it. Although honestly I wouldn't know, I guess it just happens. I take it by "you haven't been such a central figure" I assume you mean like when I am in mini's (can't believe, aperture 2, etc) right? Honestly I can't really say, except for the above which may have an impact. Also, I dunno why you'd ask me that if you expect me to be scum. You know I could "satisfy" that question as scum too. | ||
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gonzaw
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gonzaw
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What do you think of the "cases" against me from Oats/Five/wbg/debears? You thought I was pretty townie on D1 and posted a bunch of reasons, do the stuff those guys pointed out change your read or not? I may have skipped it in your filter but you barely mention me I believe | ||
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gonzaw
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1)Yamato expressed he wanted to be elected at one point (if I remember correctly) 2)Yamato was very active the whole D1 3)However, he didn't really push his candidacy that much, nor seemingly decided to push the candidacy of another "scum mayor" (whoever that one is) 4)Basically, he stated he would have wanted to be mayor because he's townie bla bla bla, but didn't seem to have a hidden agenda about that, he spent most of his time being active and discussing stuff and shit | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 24 2013 07:05 debears wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 04:51 gonzaw wrote: You might want to reread my mayor campaign. I wanted D1 to run "smoothly as normal", and if people thought I was a good mayor candidate by mid-late D1 then it'd be great if they voted me. I was also absent/sleeping for much part of Five "rising to power". When I woke up one day Five already had like 5-6 votes and I had none, I obviously wasn't becoming mayor by that point and he was. sandro is sandro. When town he does big plays as early as possible, he tries to "bully the setup", break the game, and have town win as early as possible. You can't obviously compare him with prplhz. Yes I did. I don't think it matters anyways, since I believe Oats to be scum. Lol this actually reminds me of Aperture Mafia 2. I was on scum's tail all D1 (JingleHell), but made some "wishy washy" comments about the current lynched scum (iamp). I got flak for it the whole game and basically forced me to claim, when I was right all along lol. Funny how it's likely to be happening this game as well You don't seem to be familiar with my play. When I "try to convince my target he is scum", I'm obviously not doing that. What I'm doing is: -If somehow that guy is town, point out the scummy things he's doing, and how they come from a mafia perspective. If he's town, hopefully this will make him realize what he's doing and change his play accordingly, so he doesn't get misslynched -I want the guy to know why he's scummy, this way he has no way to hide. If he keeps acting like he is doing after I mention that, then it means he acknowledged what I said but didn't care about it. That is a strong indication of mafia for me (or at points, depending on his play, maybe a townie), depending on his reactions. -If the guy is scum, then it also kills 2 birds with 1 stone by showing other people why he's scum. Gonz, could you post a few examples from your town games where you have this sort of posting style toward your hard scumreads? I don't want to look through filters since I don't know exactly what games you had a hard scumread. And you should be able to come up with one or two examples since it should be part of your standard town play Here are my filters if you wanna check out. I think I do that with Jingle in Aperture 2, maybe Mattchew on Can't Believe, but other than that I don't remember much. Aperture 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174&user=237527 Can't Believe: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147&user=237527 | ||
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gonzaw
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Why the fuck am I getting like 20 votes? Can someone put a tl:dr; version while I'm reading the thread? | ||
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gonzaw
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From whom? | ||
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gonzaw
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That's so obviously bullshit. I didn't mason anybody at all that doesn't make sense? Wow holy shit let me think about this | ||
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gonzaw
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Vivax are you lying about this for a reason or somethign? | ||
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gonzaw
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The thing is that It doesn't make sense for either: -A framer to frame me "mafia jack mason" instead of, say just "mafia jack" -Vivax being scum fake-claiming I'm "mafia jack mason". There's some scum motivation behind either of those, and someone faked a "jack mason", which doesn't make sense because I'm obviously not mason and didn't mason anybody, so how the fuck would they expect anybody to believe that? | ||
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gonzaw
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It's possible that they had thought I was already a mason, maybe one of FT's "secret masons", and took a risk framing me as scum mason, knowing it'd be more convincing after FT outs me as mason or something I don't fucking know if it was a framer or Vivax is going for a power-play, and then later claim framer when i'm misslynched I am also a VT, which doesn't matter at all anyways so might as well claim. Fuck this shit is just too stressful. I have my cousin's wedding tomorrow and have to organize shit for it, this is not what I was expecting when I joined this game. | ||
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gonzaw
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I'll try to spend my time reading Vivax and figure out if he's scum fakeclaiming or if there's a mafia framer out there. I take it this will be better for town later. | ||
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gonzaw
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But Vivax has been so anti-town all game....like I could easily be wrong. Arhg | ||
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gonzaw
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On January 25 2013 03:44 FiveTouch wrote: I'm fairly sure "being lazy" was not the answer you gave me yesterday when I asked you why you weren't as much a central figure as I had expected. Yes it was, or it implies it anyway Not that it matters much. | ||
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gonzaw
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Now this is the story all about how My life got flipped, turned upside down And I'd like to take a minute just here I claim I'll tell you how I became the mafia jack mason of the game In west Liquidia born and raised On the thread and QT where I spent most of my days Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And shooting some KP according to the rule When a couple of players, they were up to no good Started making trouble in my neighbourhood I got in one little fight and my scumteam got scared And said "You will now become the mafia jack mason of the game" I PMed the host and when he came near The username said "BC" and his coolness was severe If anything I could say that this host had fame But I thought nah, forget it, yo homes make me the jack mason of the game! I pulled up a PM about seven or eight And I PMed to the host "Yo, homes smell you later!" Looked at my role I finally became To sit on my throne as the mafia jack mason of the game | ||
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