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On January 23 2013 11:51 annul wrote:
what i will not be doing is wasting 48 hours of MY time defending myself. that's what will not be happening.
in over half of my games on TL, i have been the absolute tunnel on day 2. this happens when i go all in day 1, when i am moderately active day 1, and now apparently its the case even when i say almost nothing day 1.
the smart play, then, is to lay down and "accept defeat" and force the players to actually do other shit than keep on attacking me. if i defend, it wastes time by giving people incentive to keep pushing me. so, i will not defend. in fact, i will not say much at all. if i feel like i can save myself when the time is running out, then i will. otherwise, i am not going to get worked up over it when the end result is ANOTHER day 2 lynch anyway.
You don't have to defend yourself to find mafia.
Throwing your vote on dearestsnot with the vague intention to do something with it later in the day is not that.
You seem remarkably reluctant to do so, especially as finding mafia doubles up as establishing your innocence.
On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote:
II. Town
[*]Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence
The smart play is to play the game.
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On January 23 2013 12:09 DearestSnot wrote:
I like gonzaw for a lynch actually.
I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes.
His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was.
Chezinu has also fallen off the face of the Earth, though he looks considerably better than most players due to his willingness to lynch prplhz so early. I hope he wasn't the one scum that decided to bus him early.
Apart from the read on him, gonzaw as mafia would fill the missing hole of a serious mafia mayoral candidate on Day 1. His prplhz attitude has been nagging at me in particular.
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On January 23 2013 22:10 Vivax wrote:
I don't think there was a vig shot. Town vigs usually claim, anything else is detrimental.
In BloodyC0bbler's last normal game, there was a multi-shot vigilante.
Toad, you should have protected sandroba, but it doesn't matter now. Usually protecting the obvious target is the correct play, precisely because you end up wifoming yourself out of protecting the player that actually needs protecting.
With annul, there's a fair chance he's mafia. He refuses to contribute other than to speculate pointlessly, and repeatedly, on setup, or to make useless asides. It's made worse by the fact I explained to him about his play and he doesn't care. Nonetheless, there's something that makes me feel quite uncomfortable about him. I don't know how to express is very well. In any case, if he continues to play in a mafia-oriented fashion, we should lynch him as part of our double-lynch tomorrow.
gonzaw/Oatsmaster is where I'm struggling right now. I had been giving gonzaw vague townie points for a couple of reasons: he spread his suspicion around quite a bit, which he tends to more as town, and he's far more tunnelly as mafia. For a prime example of this - Liar Game - where he tunnelled Cephiro over multiple cycles to the detriment of anything else. This is mitigated, as bugs notes, by the fact that he hasn't really pushed *hard* at anyone. The second reason, and the one you can see why I'm struggling, is his suspicions of Oatsmaster, which I share.
Specifically, Oatsmaster's emotional attitude and reactions. Oatsmaster, in his past games, has been in great danger of being lynched as town and mafia. As town in one of his newbie games, he almost got lynched and only saved himself with a claim. The following game he got lynched as mafia.
It's notable how little he defended himself in the game as town where he almost got lynched - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931&user=286833
Read through his filter and you'll probably struggle to work out where/when he was getting lynched, right up until the point he claimed to save himself.
On November 29 2012 21:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Personal attacks are not cool yamato.
This is an OMGUS vote on me by the way.
This is about as aggressive as he got at any point during the game.
Here is the game he got lynched as mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389&user=286833 Read it for yourselves, it's painfully obvious he's getting lynched. Look at his aggression, and his comments on sheeping:
On December 05 2012 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
We have a sheep in the house people.
What do you think of kickstart's vote on Rad and Rad himself?
On December 05 2012 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also kickstart, if am I 'OBVIOUS' scum, why isnt your vote on me?
1 person and a sheep already voted for me, join the ez wagon.
On December 05 2012 15:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fucking atrocious case kickstart, almost as bad as the one you posted one me last game.
On December 06 2012 09:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
I cant sleep guys?
Seriously this is full of bullshit.
WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR ME?
Is it because
herp derp 180 yamato?
Because thats worse than what you guys wouldve lynched me for last game.
Fucking sheep led by kickstart
Let's make a comparison to this game:
On January 21 2013 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
So many people sheeping 'Fivetouch'
Gonna be a good game huh.
On January 21 2013 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
What does 5touch have done to deserve the mayorial position? Is it because all of you agree with his reads? Or think he is town? Cause all I see in his filter is a lot of 1 liners and not much else.
FiveTouch./Everyone sheeping him.
On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me?
I probably don't have to explain the point I'm getting at here. There's anothing thing too - as town, Oatsmaster is suspicious of people right out the gate. In Chrono Trigger, Oatsmaster was suspicious of people immediately, and made the first real case of the game. In the just finished Newbie XXXV, again he was suspicious of Mocsta immediately and proceeded to make a case. In his mafia game he was not suspicious of anybody for a long time. Witness what he said:
On December 05 2012 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
I automatically assume everyone is town, then get scumreads.
Anyway this is one of his first posts in another game, next to a post from this game:
On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him
On January 20 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont feel confident lynching JieXian off 2 posts...
He has expressed delight in 2 players for mayor and hasnt expanded or anything. Regardless, Isnt it quick to vilify him so quickly?
Seriously. I'm going to copy paste these again next to each other just in case you missed them.
On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him
On January 20 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont feel confident lynching JieXian off 2 posts...
He has expressed delight in 2 players for mayor and hasnt expanded or anything. Regardless, Isnt it quick to vilify him so quickly?
There is a complete lack of suspicion in the early game here that is demonstrably present in the games he's played town. Usually Oatsmaster is the first to be suspicious of people, here he comes out the gate defending people. He was suspicious of nobody (except us retards who wanted to lynch him) until he agreed with austin on Stutters.
Anyway, gonzaw. His prplhz stuff looks bad, although to be fair he's not the only one. The problem with gonzaw is that he should really know better.
On January 21 2013 13:48 gonzaw wrote:
I don't really agree with a prplhz lynch this D1 though.
It seems like his normal play, and I don't think there's much to go on to be sure he's scum this game. He's not the paragon of townieness but I don't remember him being so in any town game from his (granted I only obsed games he played, I don't remember playing with him I think).
There are better candidates out there.
On January 22 2013 05:11 gonzaw wrote:
Some of the reasoning behind his prplhz case seems like grasping at straws. The "he was against policy lynches before and now he wanted to 'policy lynch' chezinu" is not alignment indicative in my mind, few townies have the same exact thoughts in every game. I know I changed my mind about lots of things in different games, and I wouldn't expect that to be used either for or against me.
Although it's true prplhz hasn't done much though. I don't know why he wants to vote me since the game started, but hasn't even voted me nor really shown.
prplhz hasn't done much in contributing and seemed to be defending himself more, but for me his lynch right now is like a shot in the dark mostly because of that. I can see him flipping town, if he has to spend time defending himself instead of contributing.
There's one other post I've had written down since I read it in Day 1,
On January 21 2013 14:35 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:26 Mocsta wrote:
@gonsaw
toad gave reasons for vivax being town. I thought they were subjectve as fuck.
From memory the stand out reasoning was howw he could post his campaign and be active in qt if scum
there is no fcuking way vivax typed that first post afyer the game started.. It was premade and in no way is indicative of alignment. If toads disagrees wit this then his reads overall should be put into question.
Btw with a premade case...it might make sense to take a breather if u rolled scum and needed to plan.
But.. Why listen to me. Im not a vet and so to toad my opinion doesnt matter Well, I had my "campaign" post premade as well + Show Spoiler +Well, actually I had another one premade, but before the game started I lost it so I had to make it again when the game started  I have a feeling Vivax may have done something similar. There's this gut feeling that tells me scum Vivax wouldn't instantly post that campaign post as soon as the game started if he saw his "You are scum!" Pm in his inbox, and maybe likely wouldn't even post it at all (and just trash it). It's speculation based on what I would think scum Vivax would do, which may not be much but it doesn't mean what Toad said is "completely bullshit".
I didn't like the bolded at all, casually suggesting he wouldn't have ran for mayor as mafia. I absolutely believe gonzaw would run for mayor as mafia, so this looks quite bad to me.
In any case, I can't make a decision on these two until later. Although I still think Oatsmaster is more likely to flip mafia right now.
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The only issue is, and I said it directly to prplhz in the thread - I am not Palmar.
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On January 23 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote:lol Still under the spell of returning to mafia :D I only played the game for 72 hours so it barely counts
What counts is that you were immediately suspicious of Mocsta in the game you just finished playing, and in general you were suspicious of many players Day 1.
Which is the complete opposite of your attitude this game.
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On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy. 
And yet in Chrono Trigger, you were suspicious and making cases immediately. You also ran for party leader despite it being your first game. I don't buy your shy story at all. Your lack of suspicions this game compared to how suspicious you are as town is striking.
Plus the difference in wanting to lynch someone after two posts and saying it's quick to vilify someone after 2 posts is almost unbelievable.
For bugs' eyes - you said it was unlikely that a mafia Oats would make a case on gonzaw, someone both prominent and attacking him. This was based on a general heuristic. A look at Oats' play in his own games reveals this to be false, however. In the game he rolled mafia, Oats attacked and made a case on the townplayer with the most credit who had made a case on him.
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On January 24 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
I ran for party leader cause blue roles be imba.
I made one case on Clarity cause I thought it was a townie thing to do.
I already told you, my play was so scummy that game, so should I continue to do it? Or change?
Why do you keep ignoring the just-finished game where you were suspicious immediately, and of several players throughout the first day? You were shot for being so townie.
It makes no sense at all that you claim to be 'shy' this game, when you didn't show that attitude in your other game with veterans, whether you had a blue role in that game or otherwise.
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On January 24 2013 00:15 Vivax wrote:
@ FT
Can you assume that Oats isn't scum for a moment and take a look at Toad? Thanks.
You also posted a somewhat-read about gonzaw, but you aren't interested in hearing opinions about him?Or asking him questions?
Where is gonzaw anyway?
Why would I assume someone isn't mafia when they are likely to be mafia?
There's absolutely no reason for me to be looking at Toad. It's completely irrelevant.
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This town has help, you simply refuse to heed it.
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On January 24 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote:
FT is awful with his Oats tunnel. For sure not Palmar.
Ok, your mayor who lynched you mafia on Day 1 is awful.
Coming from the guy who apparently made some bullshit play to keep himself alive (?!) and then after the nightkills had to admit all his reads were wrong.
Such a pro.
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On January 24 2013 00:38 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 00:35 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote:
FT is awful with his Oats tunnel. For sure not Palmar. Ok, your mayor who lynched you mafia on Day 1 is awful. Coming from the guy who apparently made some bullshit play to keep himself alive (?!) and then after the nightkills had to admit all his reads were wrong. Such a pro. do you think our early read on Vivax is wrong? Dude's annoying as it can get...
Unfortunately it's still quite likely Vivax is town.
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On January 24 2013 00:45 Vivax wrote:
But you are lucky to play against this town Toad.
For now.
Curse this town with its almost complete lack of flaming and its killing of mafia Day 1. Such a bad town, curses!
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On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised?
The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it:
On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now.
Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite?
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On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta.
Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it.
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On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads.
How do you mean, what's more likely?
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On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right?
The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So:
If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia
If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me
If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard
In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me.
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On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:
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The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it:
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Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite?
I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny.
It's funny, and statistically quite unlikely that Oatsmaster became my bodyguard. Mafia putting a bodyguard in that I want to lynch doesn't seem too unlikely, though.
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On January 24 2013 01:36 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:
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Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it.
want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. It's funny, and statistically quite unlikely that Oatsmaster became my bodyguard. Mafia putting a bodyguard in that I want to lynch doesn't seem too unlikely, though. I know, that's why I said it's funny that those 2 became bodyguards. Debears looks good but Oats doesn't look good. At best he's a null, at worst he's a mafia for most people right now I guess. And with the reasoning I provided it does make him look townish.That's why I wanted to hear your take on what's more likely, mafia trying to trick us or this being some hilarious luck of ours.
Good motive for mafia to do that then, hmm? 
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On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves).
Just because I was musing.
If Oats is town: There is a roughly 1/10 chance of Oatsmaster being randomly selected as bodyguard.
If Oats is mafia: Is there a greater than 1/10 chance that Oatsmaster is put in as bodyguard? I would contend yes.
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That wasn't meant to be an argument that because Oats is bodyguard he's mafia, by the way.
Merely to illustrate that the fact he is bodyguard shouldn't suggest he is town.
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