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On January 25 2013 02:04 debears wrote:
Jack
You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away.
I don't think it's possible for a jack to vig and mason in the same night
ffs read the OP
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"At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. You may PM with that person for the full cycle. You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game. The Mafia team will have a set number of people to choose as Masons. Mafia with other roles (Roleblocker, Framer, Godfather) can double up on Mason roles."
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toad says:
"I'd say we lynch the (possible) red check the other DT has once I mason him tomorrow."
we know he mason sandroba cycle 1. sandroba was miller. no info he could have received from sandroba is relevant to him knowing about another DT.
now, day 2, the only way toad can know of a DT is by masoning another mason (or a jack who used mason day 1). toad is not masoned with this DT today because as he says, "once i mason him tomorrow" means he cannot be with him today under the rules.
assume toad is masoning another mason today. the only way that he can know about this DT is if the person toad is talking to today masoned the DT on day 1, that DT claimed to the person toad is talking to today, and then the person toad is talking to today told toad about that DT's identity.
next, toad also says:
"see the thing is I know a bunch of powerroles, including a DT."
the only possible way for this to work is if by "a bunch" he actually means "one other" -- the second mason he is talking to today. he doesn't -- CAN'T -- know "a bunch" of power roles. there is no logical way for this to occur under the rules.
so we come down to a few choices:
A. toad is red.
B. whoever toad is talking to today is red and feeding toad lies.
C. whoever toad is talking to today is really, really bad at this game AND whoever talked on day 1 to the person toad is talking to today is also really, really bad at this game for claiming DT to a mason when mafia masons exist in the game.
D. whoever toad is talking to today is really, really bad at this game AND whoever talked on day 1 to the person toad is talking to today lied about being DT for some reason.
which is more likely?
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i read the thread. i didnt see anyone claim to be your mason partner for this cycle nor a second DT. perhaps quote for me what i missed?
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okay toad, lets try this:
how many power roles do you know that the rest of the game does not know?
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you keep saying "the people i know." why plural? the only hidden info you have (if you are town) is the one person you are talking with today, and any hearsay evidence he tells you.
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first, it is hearsay evidence. you have no proof. you have the word of someone you are talking with today, which could very well be tainted either by that person himself OR by bad information he got from a red somewhere down the communication chain.
second, i think i figured out what is going on. picture coming soon.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TcDuJgp.jpg)
this is the max toad can "know." toad can "know" of five other roles (MAYBE six if on day 1 "mason B" masoned a "mason C" who day 1 masoned a power role... and so on and so on). however, what does toad KNOW? nothing. if "mason B" is actually mafia, all information from that part of the chain is bullshit, and mason A knows no better, and is innocently but incorrectly feeding toad bad intel.
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On January 25 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 02:46 annul wrote:
first, it is hearsay evidence. you have no proof. you have the word of someone you are talking with today, which could very well be tainted either by that person himself OR by bad information he got from a red somewhere down the communication chain.
second, i think i figured out what is going on. picture coming soon. first is wrong. Here's the explanation for the 6th time: He claimed in the fucking thread. What don't you understand about it? I'm not getting any information from anyone because the guy CLAIMED IN THE THREAD.
THEN PROVIDE ME WITH A QUOTE OF THIS
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if someone breadcrumbs this is not a "claim in the thread"
so, did you pick up on a breadcrumb or a claim?
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it is completely and utterly impossible under the rules for you to have what you have based solely on a day 2 mason.
you say "the info i have is based on an in-thread claim" but you evade and completely refuse to say what you are talking about. if someone CLAIMED in thread, it makes no sense to hide this, since they claimed it. which must mean that by "claim" you really mean "they breadcrumbed and i found it." but if you just said THAT, it would be completely believable and nobody would question it because after all that IS the point of a breadcrumb anyway: subtlety under the radar.
but you did not say this. instead you try to inflate your position in the supposed town circle and when i caught you in a logical hole, you flounder and flounder. you STILL will not tell me what it is you (think you) actually have (e.g. "what the day 2 mason target told you HE had.")
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why does "waffle = marv?"
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did anyone mason with gonzaw this game? if so speak up please
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On January 25 2013 06:27 austinmcc wrote:
annul, you looked more towny in my eyes for continuing to ask anyone masoned by Gonzaw to come forward.
Then I look and your vote is on Gonzaw...
i went to sleep after i asked that question. you can check #tlmafia logs for when i log on and log off. it is always consistent with when i stop and start paying attention to mafia games. at this point in the game i am still on page 114 catching up so perhaps this post will be irrelevant when i get caught up.
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On January 25 2013 12:35 debears wrote:
5touch I have to talk to you about said mason and figure out whether he contacted you already or not and why he masoned me
I will think of encryption
encryption is illegal btw dont do it
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do not jail vivax. that's pretty stupid. let medic protect him so he can get a DT check off.
also, if you jail BKE and he is mafia, then mafia get only 1 KP tonight. therefore, one medic on vivax would be enough: mafia cannot stack shots on him since they only have one shot. unless mafia RB works on your sheriff ability... i have no idea if it does.
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i am going to come out right and say this: if toad jails vivax, toad needs to be lynched day 3. period.
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debears, grush, toad, BKE
3/4 are mafia
calling it now
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On January 25 2013 12:20 debears wrote:
I have been masoned. Apparently 24 hours ago
Thanks BC!
who masoned debears? can anyone actually corroborate this?
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hey WBG and fivetouch and toad
who are your top three scum reads pl0x
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