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On January 23 2013 21:18 Vivax wrote:
Scum hit 3/3 despite the huge insecurities in play. Especially the hit on sandroba was super risky. If they took that risk they should have taken the risk of hitting Bugs just to be sure, but they didn't. They went in precisely like a swiss clock.
They took two players that weren't particularly threatening for them and that weren't particularly threatened by a lynch.
Vivax.. why do you know scum hit 3/3?
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Hi Vivax.
Not disinterested, just IRL stuff.. these are the thoughts in my head without reading filters.. take it as you want.. im more a gut feeling player anyways (which is prob why my reads are so fucked)
Toad: Hes probably town for me; when he speaks freely/quickly I find him a bit erratic but its prob more to do with frustration. But every once in a while he says something that just makes me want to cast doubt. Regardless, if I was to judge his actions overall, off a whim, I think town motives.
Gonzaw: I was about to start reading his filter, but since you asked, my impressions as of now are: made a good impression on me at first, and was one of the only vets responding to me.. as FT came about, he has really faded. AND IIRC he hasnt followed up on his promises (reads etc). My other issue with Gonzaw is association with prplhz... b4 prplhz had heat on him, Gonzaw was one of the ppl he was soft "buddying" to. ATM null, need to confirm if the (lack of) follow ups are correct.
Yamato: hes got a pretty hot-head.. I *Assume* as scum would be hard for him to control the emotion.. so far he has swapped gears quite a lot; has tried to contribute here and there; but i dont think he ever followed up on u.. perhaps due to Toads insistence.. i would say leaning town.
Annul: I haven't paid attention to him Day1, just the interplay between him and bugs today.. even with bugs persistence, i thought his ragequit was over the top; have to read the filter, but off that ragequit i would say leaning scum.
Vivax: No fucking idea.. somethings you do just put so much public attention in my head only a VT would do that.. but then, some of the your actions just dont agree with me so I think scum.. but thats a gut feeling and prob just means i don't (personally) like your style.. one thing i learnt was, if a guy is really pissing you off, hes prob town... so based on that heuristic, i will say town 
Grush: Even though you didnt ask, and i dont want to sound like im tunneling. I really dont like whats hes doing. Hes ignored my pressure (what ever) but coming in with the yamato mason stuff was just foreplay..im still waiting for the good stuff.. I cant even see a reason to have masoned yamato anyways, the whole thing is as odd as the NKs .. i mean.. djo was making some sense at the end.. but fuckn JX?
Im going to read Annul/Gonzaw filter now, and hopefully dont fall asleep.
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I didnt say Djo NK made sense.. I said.. Djo was making sense during the night.
I didnt like him day 1, a lot of him game IIRC was prodding and asking others for assessment.
Night1 he came back with his own reads. They didnt appear far fetched, so to me, he was making sense.
Noted on those 2, will look at it shortly, still doing other stuff.
Vivax.. whats your take on yamato?
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Lol.. but u want my opinions before I speak to others?
If you dont want to talk about Yamato.. how about share some vet insight on the grush/yamato mason.
I dont care if the mason is scum/town at this point.. why would a mason want to contact yamato at that point in the game?
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On January 23 2013 23:33 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 23:29 FiveTouch wrote:
With annul, there's a fair chance he's mafia. He refuses to contribute other than to speculate pointlessly, and repeatedly, on setup, or to make useless asides. It's made worse by the fact I explained to him about his play and he doesn't care. Nonetheless, there's something that makes me feel quite uncomfortable about him. I don't know how to express is very well. In any case, if he continues to play in a mafia-oriented fashion, we should lynch him as part of our double-lynch tomorrow.
who didnt see this coming please dont smurf next time, or if you do, tell me its you, so i can /out before the game.
Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context.
You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out?
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On January 23 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway, just to give some context, my last game was almost a month and a half ago,
Im going to return the favour, and take this as an honest mistake.
We just played in a game together last week... NewbieXXXV... FiveTouch even referenced you and me bickering in it.
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On January 23 2013 23:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:On January 23 2013 23:33 annul wrote:On January 23 2013 23:29 FiveTouch wrote:
With annul, there's a fair chance he's mafia. He refuses to contribute other than to speculate pointlessly, and repeatedly, on setup, or to make useless asides. It's made worse by the fact I explained to him about his play and he doesn't care. Nonetheless, there's something that makes me feel quite uncomfortable about him. I don't know how to express is very well. In any case, if he continues to play in a mafia-oriented fashion, we should lynch him as part of our double-lynch tomorrow.
who didnt see this coming please dont smurf next time, or if you do, tell me its you, so i can /out before the game. Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context. You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out? palmar kind of did a hitler video about Annul and me once :3
OK. so nothing to do with Palmar has super reads on Annul?
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On January 23 2013 23:47 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:On January 23 2013 23:33 annul wrote:On January 23 2013 23:29 FiveTouch wrote:
With annul, there's a fair chance he's mafia. He refuses to contribute other than to speculate pointlessly, and repeatedly, on setup, or to make useless asides. It's made worse by the fact I explained to him about his play and he doesn't care. Nonetheless, there's something that makes me feel quite uncomfortable about him. I don't know how to express is very well. In any case, if he continues to play in a mafia-oriented fashion, we should lynch him as part of our double-lynch tomorrow.
who didnt see this coming please dont smurf next time, or if you do, tell me its you, so i can /out before the game. Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context. You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out? the context is palmar has yet to play a game with me where he did not push for my lynch. he has done so in games where i have been green, where i have been red, and where i have been blue. it doesn't matter -- there literally has not been a single game i have played with him in it where he did not push for my death. in fairness he is much less aggressive with it this game but i sense it is because he figures others are doing the work for him
Annul... there are still 20 players that have a vote
Please dont give up just because you assume FT may be Palmar.
Im going to read your filter soon, and will have some questions ( I hope).. I would appreciate if once they are ready you could take the time to address them.
Thanks,
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On January 23 2013 23:48 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote:lol Still under the spell of returning to mafia :D I only played the game for 72 hours so it barely counts  What counts is that you were immediately suspicious of Mocsta in the game you just finished playing, and in general you were suspicious of many players Day 1. Which is the complete opposite of your attitude this game.
Oats I have to agree with FiveTouch completely on this one, and its NOT sheeping
Night 1 I I raised points about your character: even a guy like me with bad reads noted the complete drop in aggression.
The games I seen you play prior, you were fast and loose and would go after anything and everything. Perfect example is your reaction in NewbieXXXV during the Day1/Night 1. You made cases/voted on like 5 people in a couple hours.
This game, I have noted you have picked and chosen when to display your aggression. Quite often I notice you make an aggressive post,and then back down. There is a distinct lack of follow through (which was also noted in my points about you). I had a quick check of your filter, and still see nothing that directly indicates your scum reads.
If you want to take it further, the FT quotes comparing you talking to CC and JX, are a complete change in style. Considering I just played a game with Town oats, I feel confident that you accusing CC as scum from 2 posts *IS* your standard way to think.
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On January 24 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok, the difference was with CC I was the one pushing the lynch
JX, I was a bystander and felt that it might snowball.
I dont think its that straight forward..
lets take a look @ Oats uber aggression in Newbie XXXV
His 1st post in the game
On January 13 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta stop being useless and repeating what other people have already said.
This is after 4 or 5 posts.
On January 13 2013 08:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, you are looking awfully scummy.
In fact, im gonna vote you.
After I show how you are scum
On January 12 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote:
BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid".
What is wrong with sounding paranoid? Do you instantly believe what the other person says? This is scummy because Town wants paranoid players to find scum and scum want believing players to manipulate.
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Mocsta, either shape up or die.
##Vote: Mocsta
Ironic, as town you think paranoid is good.
In this game you are against JX because you thought it might snowball?
This doesnt match up to me and this game was ONE WEEK ago.
Here is another example of Oats tunnel aggression.
On January 13 2013 19:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Instead you focus on somebody who has been active, playing his previous town meta, and has been trying to promote activity while defending himself from you.
I think he is scum. Is that not a good enough reason?
So again.. if this is his standard play.. why is he trying to jump in and randomly defend people all the time? This is a complete contradiction in his normal play.
And heres the cincher FiveTouch missed
On January 14 2013 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Which game?
My first newbie game was fucking horrible and I was town,
My chrono game was different because there were 20-30 people, I was one of the few newbies, It was my first actual game. So yeah, since then, I have become more confident to pressure people.
Question to Oats Why did you change your playstyle from your previous game if you won there as town
Are the differences scummy? or just different?
Oats admits hes confident since Chrono ( a game with vets)....; stark contrast to this.
On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:... Here, I shy. 
Please share thoughts people.
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On January 24 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta,
I have become more confident to pressure people.
Uhuh, so other than the start of the game, which was poor play which I already addressed,
Wouldnt you say im more confident than in my Chrono game?
Well the game I know intimately is Newbie XXXV as that was one week ago.
I also know we butted heads majorly. You were town.
Either way, what has poor play got to do with anything? You quoted directly before you were shy.
I found evidence specifically stating since Chrono you feel confident in your play. FiveTouch comments on your change in aggression regarding nominating people as scum within 2 posts.. and you respond by saying you are now suddenly shy.
Why are you lying Oats?
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Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
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On January 24 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cant a guy try to make a joke and be cute about it? Apparently not.
Anyway, gonna sleep now.
Vivax, please think before you post.
[Insult intended] Scum qt suggested that was the best course of action?
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On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised?
Now that Oats has conceded/gone to bed. I am about to read annul/gonzaw filter
(i dont remember saying i would read toads)
Still, I would appreciate your thoughts on Oats with what was presented.
P.S. I really meant no offence with my comments, just, i didn't want to detract from what I thought was solid evidence (and still do)
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On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:
I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read.
I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job.
This is also in answer to Mocsta.
Vivax, with respect I dont agree with what you just said (not the oatsmaster part).
The way you phrased your answer, its as if, you think oats is town and have not not read the points raised.
If you have indeed read the points raised, can you please point out the flaws in my logic. At least that way i can better focus my scum hunting, and as town we all want that - right?
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ninja'd
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On January 24 2013 01:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm not defending Oats. You're not getting my vote for lynching him and that's all, I'm not going to pick your points apart in an attempt to convince you that he's town, I'd much rather convince you to lynch scum.
Im not asking you to pick everything apart.
FYI I am 50% through my write-up on Annul.
If you could answer one thing though please. what do you make of the whole oatsmaster quoting he is "shy" and the quote I found regarding his confidence since Chrono.
Do you recognise the same thing I do? Oats is lying about feeling shy, as a cover for his premeditated drop in aggression.
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K Vivax as promised here is my take on Annul filter
I have spoilered it, because I dont want to de-emphasise from Oatsmaster
+ Show Spoiler +TL;DRI think he is probably scum (I also think Oatsmaster is probably scum) Cliff Notes - First real contribution is calling Vivax out for OMGUS.
I dont like this, because it was just bringing back to the fore, an item already discussed in detail (when Oats raised it). But when Annul brings it back to attention, he adds no original thought, its merely re-raising it.
On January 21 2013 12:11 annul wrote:
... however, pointing out bad play like vivax's line there is hardly "useless" no matter who says it.
Disagree. Pointing out comments with no feedback is what is useless, and definitely not town oriented in nature.
- Then starts to tunnel Vivax.. what is interesting to me is this.
On January 21 2013 12:56 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:48 Djodref wrote:
@ annul
Do you really think Vivax or Toad could get lynched today ?
I wouldn't lynch the most vocal players on D1, so I'm against it, but do you think you can convince enough people to lynch them ? i only really need to convince one person. perhaps whoever does win the election (protip: VOTE FOR ME!) will be swayed by my commentary. that's all i can hope for.
Here he is admitting Toad/Vivax have a town read in general; and then hopes he can convince the mayor, Doesnt give a FLYING FUCK about trying to convince us.. thats not town like.. if you have a read, the mayor doesnt have to lynch him day 1. You can campaign for Day2, Day 3. This lack of care is hallmark scum play.
- Then throws in a pity comment
On January 22 2013 00:11 annul wrote:
i find it funny that my analyses and accusations have gone completely ignored
Having read the filter and coming to this, I was thinking what analysis? Theres minimal content no some town read comments and a response to Axle. If he is referring to Vivax.. well.. its all built on a foundation of OMGUS with no further thought applied? IIRC someone in the thread already pointed out this comment is standard scum way to help blend in, and be forgotten about even moreso.
- The next is one of Annul more encompassing quotes
On January 22 2013 00:11 annul wrote:
i find it funny that my analyses and accusations have gone completely ignored
what analysis?
On January 22 2013 00:56 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 00:45 Vivax wrote:- You mention that I attack people out of OMGUS. Why don't you consider the counter-examples in your reasoning? I didn't attack everyone for suspecting me. You should know this best since you were one of them.
- You think my cases are bad and that I'm scum. That implies two things: You have a town read on JX, and you have a town read on yamato. Is this correct?
- You didn't push yamato as mayor candidate when he announced it even though I'm your top scumread and you probably think he's town. You don't express a preference for mayor candidates at all, so tell me:
Why so disinterested in who gets the spot? Who are your favourite candidates?
- I am just one possible scum out of five. Did you form any scumreads outside of me?
1. "yes, i OMGUSed someone, but then when people FOSed me for OMGUSing that one person, i did not subsequently OMGUS them for FOSing me... therefore, my original OMGUS is not so bad!" <--- if i need to explain why this is a bad line, i dont know what to tell you2. not correct. i have an anti-town read on you. i have seen the day 1 bus used before, so i am NOT saying one way or the other about JX or yamato right now.3. i did not push for yamato because i am running and i want to be mayor. also, i did not say i thought "yamato is probably town" so please do not put words in my mouth. 4. i am not disinterested in the spot nor have i been all game; i have been trying to get people to vote for me. my favorite candidate is myself.5. i have ideas, but none that are worth expounding upon right now, for i am less sure of them than i am of you.
WOW..
So point #1 - Says his OMGUS of vivax is ok BECAUSE he didtn OMGUS others when they raised suspicion.. what a load of crap.. The key point is, Annul admits his foundation is purely OMGUS, and has never applied further critical thinking. Fuckn scummy as!
Point #2 - Doesnt want to share his reads on yam/jx.. why?
Point #3 - again, doesnt want to share his reads.. why?
Point #4 - When was he trying to get others to vote? If he is referring to his first post, that came across as more of joke. This is just complete Dont give a FLYING FUCK all over again.
Point #5 - again, not sharing.. this guy is a vet, and is nto comfortable sharing his reads? I find that hard to believe..
- He then trys to tarnish Toad by saying scum mason would love to oust a log that had Sandroba in it (this was BEFORE SANDROBA FLIPPED!) Interestingly IIRC Toad was uncomfortable posting the logs, and even said it wasnt to try and get town cred. The way he handled the situation I think was genuine. So this is direct manipulation of events (potentially due to knowning Sandroba was town and setting up a trap for Toad)
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On January 23 2013 11:51 annul wrote:
what i will not be doing is wasting 48 hours of MY time defending myself. that's what will not be happening.
in over half of my games on TL, i have been the absolute tunnel on day 2. this happens when i go all in day 1, when i am moderately active day 1, and now apparently its the case even when i say almost nothing day 1.
the smart play, then, is to lay down and "accept defeat" and force the players to actually do other shit than keep on attacking me. if i defend, it wastes time by giving people incentive to keep pushing me. so, i will not defend. in fact, i will not say much at all. if i feel like i can save myself when the time is running out, then i will. otherwise, i am not going to get worked up over it when the end result is ANOTHER day 2 lynch anyway.
Personally i read this as.. I hope another lynch candidate comes up to divert attention so I will proceed to lurk for the time being.
I apologise for the cluster of text.. as I was writing it, more thoughts came to the fore.
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Vivax.. me?
My first choice is Oats, then Annul
I haven't gone through Gonzaw, sorry for being so slow.. its 1am here, and with now 2 ppl i feel strongly about, i dont see the point in reviewing Gonzaw + Im stil awaiting you commentary on Oats with the shy/confidence lying.
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On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
That you could be scum I mean.
Right....
Are you always this disruptive in play?
I cant help but feel, your pissed I asked (politely) to put on hold the chat with Toad.
Regardless, what do you think of my points about Annul?
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