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debears
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On January 24 2013 01:35 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 01:28 debears wrote: Your flip on Toad is dumb and scummy as shit, considering he finally agrees with you on gonzaw. Yet, you still rip him for voting gonzaw. Oh, and the only reason you find him scum is jk wifom. You disregard his(toads) whole d1 play in which you preached him as town. Oh, and you think him and Gonzaw are suddenly scum team. Congratulations vivax this game......... 1. My flip on Toad is based on much more than jk wifom. You would know it if you read his stance on gonzaw and Oats and the answers he provided when I asked him about various reads like yamato, gonzaw annul etc. 2. You're stupid to think that I can't change opinion on someone cause I had another one D1. It's neither scummy nor is it bad, and all the reasons for doing that are out there. I simply thought Toad was town D1. Now I don't believe it anymore. 3. I found gonzaw scummy very early. That is reflected in my distrust in him as elected role in my earlier posts. I am not ripping people for THAT they vote gonzaw, I rip them for HOW they vote him. And that's the reason why I asked so many questions about him. I'm not trying to dissuade people from doing so. In Toad's case it looks to me like he doesn't vote for him cause he suddenly reads him as scum. So when Djo and JX died over Gonzaw and Austin you didn't suddenly go "wow"? | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:37 FiveTouch wrote: Good motive for mafia to do that then, hmm?  5Touch I am becoming gradually more suspicious of Oats for one very specific reason. I will let you know after the 24 hour mark in day2 what exactly I am noticing about him | ||
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On January 24 2013 04:51 gonzaw wrote: You might want to reread my mayor campaign. I wanted D1 to run "smoothly as normal", and if people thought I was a good mayor candidate by mid-late D1 then it'd be great if they voted me. I was also absent/sleeping for much part of Five "rising to power". When I woke up one day Five already had like 5-6 votes and I had none, I obviously wasn't becoming mayor by that point and he was. sandro is sandro. When town he does big plays as early as possible, he tries to "bully the setup", break the game, and have town win as early as possible. You can't obviously compare him with prplhz. Yes I did. I don't think it matters anyways, since I believe Oats to be scum. Lol this actually reminds me of Aperture Mafia 2. I was on scum's tail all D1 (JingleHell), but made some "wishy washy" comments about the current lynched scum (iamp). I got flak for it the whole game and basically forced me to claim, when I was right all along lol. Funny how it's likely to be happening this game as well  You don't seem to be familiar with my play. When I "try to convince my target he is scum", I'm obviously not doing that. What I'm doing is: -If somehow that guy is town, point out the scummy things he's doing, and how they come from a mafia perspective. If he's town, hopefully this will make him realize what he's doing and change his play accordingly, so he doesn't get misslynched -I want the guy to know why he's scummy, this way he has no way to hide. If he keeps acting like he is doing after I mention that, then it means he acknowledged what I said but didn't care about it. That is a strong indication of mafia for me (or at points, depending on his play, maybe a townie), depending on his reactions. -If the guy is scum, then it also kills 2 birds with 1 stone by showing other people why he's scum. Gonz, could you post a few examples from your town games where you have this sort of posting style toward your hard scumreads? I don't want to look through filters since I don't know exactly what games you had a hard scumread. And you should be able to come up with one or two examples since it should be part of your standard town play | ||
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debears
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The dude lost his head, regardless of alignment Also, I am going to wait til about 12 KST to see what oats posts. If I don't find it satisfactory, I have a read that would almost certainly make him scum in my eyes. | ||
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On January 24 2013 09:03 Chezinu wrote: You hears that mafiaz! My circle will rise! The brown brotherhood is realz! Y u no include me in the circle  | ||
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On January 24 2013 10:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause you only showed up in day 2 debears, any explanation for your really low activity day 1? Haha. This is so funny. Shall I reveal the information now? | ||
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I only have this lynch left in the game Why? I strongly believe 5touch is town, and toad I'd say is town for now. Mafia probably won't like having those extra three mayoral votes from 5touch regardless of if toad was scum. Thus, I will very very likely be killed tonight. So, debears, why the sudden spike in activity? Because I have one more lynch I can help town with in this game Now, look at Oatsmaster's posting. What has his psychological mindset been since learning of being bodyguard? Nothing. No urgency. No realization that he will be nked soon. No great effort to help town out one last day Why? I think it's because he's scum. 1) He's focusing on defending himself instead of giving reads 2) If he was town, he would realize that he would die in the night, and that giving reads is priority over defending yourself 3) Most of the town has agreed that lynching into the bodyguards isn't a great strategy since we will either 1. die or 2. be found out once the mayor dies. Thus, it would only take real effort in a focused manner to ward off his lynch | ||
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On January 23 2013 13:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Debears, what prompted the change in activity? Was it because day 1 you had no chance of getting lynched and upon receipt of the role of bodyguard, scared you into contributing? Or something else? So you're a bodyguard, yet your only mention of bodyguard is this post You never even bothered to participate in the bodyguard discussion. That's odd | ||
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On January 24 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also debears, this DOES NOT explain why your day 1 was the epitome of a lurker/newbie scum who doesnt want to post. I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read | ||
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On January 24 2013 10:52 DearestSnot wrote: ok, here's the thing. I hesitated earlier to use this argument, but I think it's strong. First suppose Oats is scum. Because he's a BG, we know that if he's alive and FT or Toad die then Oats is outted. Thus at any point in the game we can safely lynch Oats if FT or Toad die. We only have a problem if we lynch a multitude of townies while FT and Toad survive and get into a multiple scum lylo situation. I don't see that as being very likely. If Oats is scum, mafia have to sacrifice one of their own in order to kill Toad or FT. As long as FT/Toad are alive we have a massive advantage. We have a jailer who can stop mafia KP in two different ways and a triple voter who is almost certainly town. If Oats is town, and we lynch him, then tonight debears and FT or Toad will be dead, almost certainly. We basically simply shoot ourselves in the foot for no gain. Even if Oats is mafia, we don't gain much by lynching him. He's a BG, if scum want to win the game in lylo they have to at some point out Oats. They can't feasibly win at lylo with FT alive because FT has 3 votes. So, either Oats is mafia and we force mafia to out him in order to kill two of our best townies, or Oats is town and we leave FT and Toad protected until oats/debears get shot. The mafia team in either position is basically fucked as long as we can catch the remaining members. So why focus on Oats? I don't see the rationale behind this right now. Mafia can't target the mayor and sheriff until the night after all town bodyguards are dead correct?> | ||
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Upon closer inspection of his town games listed, and a couple of his scum games, I found that his posting style of convincing someone of their scumminess is a trait of his town games. I only looked a little in the scum ones and I didn't see it I didn't see anything in terms of him defending himself against a scumread's accusations in either That would leave me wanting to lynch Gonzaw based on 1) His running for mayor (scum having to have someone run) 2) Him trying to convince 5touch to lynch oats over prplhz I'm still waiting on an answer over whether the mayor/sheriff can be killed in the same night as a bodyguard. If so, then I agree with not lynching Oats. If the mayor/sheriff can't be killed on the same night, we should take that into consideration of lynching oats | ||
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Vivax Where do you get that Gonzaw was mafia jack mason? If you are detective you don't get roles | ||
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You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. I don't think it's possible for a jack to vig and mason in the same night | ||
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debears
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On January 25 2013 02:08 Vivax wrote: Leave gonzaw where he is. We aren't wasting this cycle to have another cycle where we start over. The scum is before us, it has been spamming me over with suspicion the last few pages. Lynch scum ffs | ||
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debears
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Pretty please? To send a message this is not how you play mafia? | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:02 DearestSnot wrote: I love the way you think, but if we want to win the game I think it's better if we lynch gonzaw first :p Double lynch gonz and vivax Who knows? Maybe vivax is scum | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:08 annul wrote: why does "waffle = marv?" It makes sense when you go crazy | ||
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