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On January 22 2013 07:20 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:09 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote? ? The hammer is my penis. The wank-fiend is Annul It's encouraging that you're bringing annul up, on my read through this evening he came up as quite possibly mafia to me. He focuses in on Vivax, who is remarkably easy to attack as either alignment. He's done this at the expense of anything else, despite complaining that he's being ignored. I can't help but interpret "it's encouraging that..." as the verbal equivalent of petting a cat or dog for a successful trick. Can't figure out how I feel about that, except that I like the image.
Annul's just kind of an anomaly at this point. He IS focused on vivax/toad and, to a lesser extent, axle's posting. He's got more than a page of filter, way more than other players who have been inactive, but it's mostly forgettable. I'm always surprised to see that there's a next page for him. That said, I'm not even sure I'm at "quite possibly mafia" on him. I don't know him or his play well, but if he's scum then his lack of presence on D1 in a mayoral game feels off. I'd expect him to be trying to get SOME kind of control over things, unless all of the candidates are equally meh.
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On January 22 2013 07:32 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:20 FiveTouch wrote:On January 22 2013 07:12 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 07:09 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
How come nobody is going after the wank-fiend's vote? ? The hammer is my penis. The wank-fiend is Annul It's encouraging that you're bringing annul up, on my read through this evening he came up as quite possibly mafia to me. He focuses in on Vivax, who is remarkably easy to attack as either alignment. He's done this at the expense of anything else, despite complaining that he's being ignored. I can't help but interpret "it's encouraging that..." as the verbal equivalent of petting a cat or dog for a successful trick. Can't figure out how I feel about that, except that I like the image. Annul's just kind of an anomaly at this point. He IS focused on vivax/toad and, to a lesser extent, axle's posting. He's got more than a page of filter, way more than other players who have been inactive, but it's mostly forgettable. I'm always surprised to see that there's a next page for him. That said, I'm not even sure I'm at "quite possibly mafia" on him. I don't know him or his play well, but if he's scum then his lack of presence on D1 in a mayoral game feels off. I'd expect him to be trying to get SOME kind of control over things, unless all of the candidates are equally meh. To the highlighted, that's an issue that I've been struggling with your alignment this evening, so for my read on you it's a good sign you're bringing up annul. The last time I saw annul play he seemed more involved, for better or for worse. The fact he's been more irrelevant this game is certainly not anything approaching a town-tell, as you seem to be suggesting.
Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. It's pure speculation, but I WOULD assume that if one/multiple of the more veteran players in this game rolled scum, they'd be trying to exert control over the votes. It seems like there's been enough variety in candidates, but still with a few main vote-getters, that scum can't just be sitting pretty all day not having to do a thing.
Me bringing up annul shouldn't count for anything alignment-wise. I'm just noting that Chezinu is courting votes from a couple people who seem to be lurking, and Toad was courting Gonzaw's lone vote. Neither of them courted Annul, who has both a lone vote AND is relatively lurky. It wasn't bringing up his play, wasn't comparing him to the Liquid City game, but just noting that his vote was sitting all alone and yet neither of them were speaking to him.
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On January 22 2013 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 07:20 austinmcc wrote:
Toad. Tell me why I shouldn't be worried about your coy/cryptic question when you were so willing to out your role in LV in order to be mayor. ? what are you talking about?
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On January 22 2013 05:45 Toadesstern wrote:
what if I post something that makes me almost certainly town for everyone and also a damn good candidate for being sheriff. Should I do that and would people be voting me if I did it? which I took to at least be HINTING that you had a role or something, or maybe trying to draw shots by hinting that, compared with:+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2012 21:19 Toadesstern wrote:Lol game started and it's already 6 pages. Anyways Mayoral Campaign before anything else here we go! I plan on running for mayor The 2 major aspects of my candidacy: - I am awesome d1
- I am unreadable according to pretty much every vet on TL except for syllo
Point 1 is easily proven (not gonna lie, cpy & pasted):+ Show Spoiler [d1 reads from my last 5 games] +
L: Erandorr, turned out red.
Next one: Sandroba, turned out red
AC: Schworz My one big failure, but that guy fakeclaimed DT and told people he got a red check on my mod-confirmed bodyguard in a game without framers as a townie, lol. Ever since that happened I just completly lost myself and derped the game.
Storm: RoL, WBG, VE RoL was the strongest read but he basicly claimed mafia in the thread so that doesn't count. WBG flipped mafia, VE flipped SK, pick one of those
C9++ #2: VE, guy flipped mafia
I feel like I forgot a game as townie and I'm pretty sure my main mafia read that game was wrong as well but don't know for sure, so just take these. So as you can see my best d1-read is usually incredible good while I myself have no idea why. I am having huge troubles to explain what I am seeing in people when I am a townie which led to the believe that it's my intuition, which again, was proven horribly wrong when I attempted to play AC completly on the fly, just by intuition. And everyone knows how that game went :p I'm not saying the people I listed above got lynched d1 but that I told people those are my strongest reads d1 and noone wanted to lynch them because I wasn't able to explain why I wanted them lynched properly which sounds weird for most people (understandable) because it could just as well be a mafia who does not want to explain his reads because he knows they're wrong. So basicly: Look at that statistic. I am going to give you mafia or at least not-town d1 unless some jackass townie fakeclaiming DT and a red check on a modconfirmed green comes along screwing my radar and pissing me off. About point 2:I think I am reeeeeeally good when getting mafia. Not because my mafia play is incredible good but because I think I am really good at making it look exactly the same way my townplay looks. In general vets (except for syllo) told me my mafia play is good. WBG claimed VE and I did the best action TL-mafia has ever seen from a pair of mafias in LI. Rad keeps telling me I'm unreadable and so does WBG. Most of the times people play with me for the first time as mafia they think I am pretty much confirmed townie. Remember the Annul disaster? I was a mafia and Annul asked people in the thread who is the most likely / best townread in general and people (like Rad) said it's me resulting in me getting a free day-vig shot as mafia. That's not because I'm good at playing mafia but I am incredible good at making it look like a townie no matter how retarded the situation might be. Doing mistakes on purpose because I think my town-self would do the same mistake in that situation and being very transparent as mafia. People have a really hard time figuring you out like that. So I'm probably going to have a really hard time to make my alignment clear because people are giving me a really hard time due to my play as mafia. I'd usually say the way to figure me out is derpage or reads but since I told you that I can at least fake derpage myself.
So you might ask yourself: wtf Toad. Why are you telling us you're scary as mafia? Fear not for I am not mafia this game and I will have a hard time proving that because people think I am unreadable. So let me propose we solve both issues at once. You make me mayor, I give you a dead mafia d1, you will be at ease for a moment unless all the jubjubs appear telling people "well that could be Toad bussing his buddy d1!!!!!" until I make you lynch into my next strongest read again :p So basicly my candidacy is based on lynching whoever I think is the best shot we have at getting anti-town. That will most likely not be the guy town in general wants dead but someone most people will agree on, that he's looking suspicious.
If I lynch into some guy that town thinks is the most suspicious that's not an alignment tell at all (for you guys) unless I was heavily pushing him myself, rendering the plan uselessThat's it, reading the thread now :p On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤
Both big mayoral games. In LV you went big out of the gate, posting a campaign. Within like 7 hours of that, you claimed your mason recruiter ability, and did a lot of your campaigning based on the fact that you were blue and could ensure your townieness by masoning folks.
You've got to admit that you're little "What if I did this?" question is cryptic, and perhaps I just interpreted it differently than everyone, but I couldn't help noticing that it was very much unlike LV when you campaigned on your role.
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On January 22 2013 07:50 Vivax wrote:
Austin, if you suspect Toad to have a role, you shouldn't mention it, and you should be pushing for him to get into that safe position.
At least that'd be my idea of optimal play in this case. I didn't think my comment would be front-page news, given his statement.
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Vivax,
Given that you seem to want toad with bodyguards, and toad wants toad with bodyguards, but does not want Chez with bodyguards, why keep your vote on Chez?
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On January 22 2013 08:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote:
Vivax,
Given that you seem to want toad with bodyguards, and toad wants toad with bodyguards, but does not want Chez with bodyguards, why keep your vote on Chez? I try to lie a lot and attract attention to me by playing inconsistently so that I can lead my scumbuddies to victory obviously, why do you ask? Until Toad gets another vote you'll be sheriff top candidate if I switch to Toad (you still are cause you got majority first I think). So my vote stays where it is. Pointless question, I already said why I switched to Chez before. I'm writing a JX analysis.
You put your vote on Chezinu, who would be the second player to have 4. That didn't change anything, unless you have a magical plan to move multiple votes around, which would make you scum. I don't actually think you're scum this game, but I can't get a handle on your play.
If you want Toad to be sheriff, then voting chezinu doesn't help. If you want not-me to be sheriff, then voting chezinu doesn't help. So you've taken an action that does nothing, really, unless you can move more votes. And the action you took was wrong for you if you can move more votes, because you want toad and not chezinu. So...I are confused.
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On January 22 2013 08:51 Djodref wrote:
I'm just waking up, not time to catch up properly...
I'd like to have Toad sheriff based on his mason claim, is there any reason I should not ? Mason isn't alignment-determinative this game, but if you believe he's townie then no, there's not really a reason not to try and get him protection. I do like the idea of Toad, if he's town, being able to engage in mason chats without risking a night kill, or with scum having to out 1-2 members in order to take him out quickly.
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On January 22 2013 08:57 Vivax wrote:
Well, then I'm repeating what I said earlier, austin. If you already believed he has a role, and now are sure of it, why were and are you trying to push your candidacy over his?
Does it mean you think he's scum? At no recent point have I been pushing my candidacy.
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On January 22 2013 08:57 Vivax wrote:
Well, then I'm repeating what I said earlier, austin. If you already believed he has a role, and now are sure of it, why were and are you trying to push your candidacy over his?
Does it mean you think he's scum?
Adding on, It's quite easy for me to sit back and watch, because my vote is on me. If you don't vote Chez, I can easily switch to Toad and change the voting myself. I've not been campaigning for myself, but I don't need to campaign for Toad either.
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On January 22 2013 09:13 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 08:54 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 08:51 Djodref wrote:
I'm just waking up, not time to catch up properly...
I'd like to have Toad sheriff based on his mason claim, is there any reason I should not ? Mason isn't alignment-determinative this game, but if you believe he's townie then no, there's not really a reason not to try and get him protection. I do like the idea of Toad, if he's town, being able to engage in mason chats without risking a night kill, or with scum having to out 1-2 members in order to take him out quickly. do you think I as a mafia would mason town sandroba? It's either both Sandro and me town or Sandro mafia (unlikely) and I am town. First, just so you know I'm town, you could also both be scum with you actually being a mason, holding the mason power for a single cycle, and pretty much knocking the thought out of anyone's head that you could both be scum. I'm going to assume you didn't lend your account info to drazerk though, and instead be 99.99% sure that's not what is happening.
I think that you would generally play the same way as mafia or town. If townToad would mason Sandro, then scumToad would likely do the same, otherwise you'd end up getting caught later for no good reason. But that's not really a factor here.
I thought strongly that you were town at the beginning of this cycle. There was a weird point in the middle where I became less sure. I'm trying to figure out where I became less certain, to put in my full due diligence, but I was also just sitting around seeing what would happen after your claim.
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On January 22 2013 09:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 09:19 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 09:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 22 2013 08:54 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 08:51 Djodref wrote:
I'm just waking up, not time to catch up properly...
I'd like to have Toad sheriff based on his mason claim, is there any reason I should not ? Mason isn't alignment-determinative this game, but if you believe he's townie then no, there's not really a reason not to try and get him protection. I do like the idea of Toad, if he's town, being able to engage in mason chats without risking a night kill, or with scum having to out 1-2 members in order to take him out quickly. do you think I as a mafia would mason town sandroba? It's either both Sandro and me town or Sandro mafia (unlikely) and I am town. First, just so you know I'm town, you could also both be scum with you actually being a mason, holding the mason power for a single cycle, and pretty much knocking the thought out of anyone's head that you could both be scum. I'm going to assume you didn't lend your account info to drazerk though, and instead be 99.99% sure that's not what is happening. I think that you would generally play the same way as mafia or town. If townToad would mason Sandro, then scumToad would likely do the same, otherwise you'd end up getting caught later for no good reason. But that's not really a factor here. I thought strongly that you were town at the beginning of this cycle. There was a weird point in the middle where I became less sure. I'm trying to figure out where I became less certain, to put in my full due diligence, but I was also just sitting around seeing what would happen after your claim. Yeah I somewhat agree. Both on the fact that I forgot about the double mafia possibility (because I'm not and you don't seem to believe it either, but yeah it's possible) and on the fact that I'd probably do the same as mafia. If not, I'm totally going to do it next time I roll mafia because of this :p But people generally consider it a towntell because they don't think I've got the balls to do that as mafia. Either way what it means is that I'll continue masoning strong people and if I'm really mafia I'm helping you figure me out this way by doing so and I won't be a problem. On top of that I'm actually just town and it's really awesome to have a mason for that role for reasons you already mentioned :p Alright then.
Do you feel completely happy with FT as mayor? His vote-getting and mayorship in general? If not, do you feel like you can answer honestly or is that giving something away?
We have the option to adjust which of you is which, I suppose, and I don't think that the D1 lynch is fully telling, but him as mayor means both us getting info from his D1 lynch AND giving him a triple vote foevah.
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On January 22 2013 09:57 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm.
Okay, does someone feel like me or austin should be sheriff?
The voting is pretty close and there is little time left.
If someone is willing to vote me for sheriff I'll keep my vote, if not I'll vote Toad just in case (or maybe just leave it like it is since he's in the lead) I am fine with toad as sheriff.
Also, I'm going to be understandably suspicious of anyone who hasn't been speaking up and suddenly tries to pull something. Right now I like the FT/Toad lineup, and so I'm keeping my vote where it is since things are fine.
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Boo Chez. I would totally support a Gonaz election.
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I do hope that there will be SOME mayoral paint art.
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I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case.
Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp.
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On January 22 2013 11:11 AxleGreaser wrote:+ Show Spoiler [I hear non existent people] +On January 22 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 10:44 Djodref wrote:On January 22 2013 10:36 DearestSnot wrote:On January 22 2013 10:34 Djodref wrote:
According to the Chezinu rule, could we see this flip as a strong indicator for a town Chezinu ? why are you asking dumb questions? Ok, I'm trying to see if I can deduce Chezinu alignment from what happened. Would prplhz have stated that he wanted one of his teammate dead right off the bat ? I don't think so, so I believe now that Chezinu is town, but I would like anyone to tell me that I'm wrong by thinking this way. let me put it this way: why are you not trying to think for yourself? You seem to have come to a conclusion. Why is it necessary to say anything if you believe Chezinu is town? Is he under suspicion right now? I have no problems at all with the asymmetries posed by smurf accounts at all. Well none I can mention in this ongoing game I do actually accept hat given the cluster fuck that exist this may actually be the clearest and most open course of action After all some people dont read walls of text carefully.  Snowmen. Dogs.
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On January 22 2013 11:15 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:11 austinmcc wrote:
I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case.
Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp. that's actually a legit point. I started getting votes very late so I'd say there's bound to be something inside the group of people voting for you or inside the group of people voting for chez. He had 3 people voting for him as well after all and if I remember correctly you didn't get much more than that at any point. Definitely worth a look at. inb4 another awesome ven-diagram from Toad figuring out mafia!
The chez voters were chez/axle/grush for a while. Not exactly votes that I find informative.
The votes on me aren't wonderfully informative, given that one is from me and one was from sandroba. Bar the early votes from you and fivetouch, I had oats and djo on me at times. Late enough tonight that I'm going to put it off, but tomorrow I'll look at when in terms of the feel of the game they voted me, unless someone else has beat me to it.
I know oats's vote was a post that people had issue with, and the "Why would you vote austin when oats is voting austin?" comment was a legitimate concern when it was made. djodref's exact reasons I don't remember.
There were also some...halfvotes? BKE says he would have voted for me. I believe it was mocsta who voted me in the thread but not in the voting thread itself?
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Ah, fuba also had a vote in this thread on me but not in the voting thread. mocsta didn't technically vote me in thread, but at some point I was his preference although he didn't want to vote yet.
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On January 22 2013 11:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:23 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 11:15 Toadesstern wrote:On January 22 2013 11:11 austinmcc wrote:
I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case.
Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp. that's actually a legit point. I started getting votes very late so I'd say there's bound to be something inside the group of people voting for you or inside the group of people voting for chez. He had 3 people voting for him as well after all and if I remember correctly you didn't get much more than that at any point. Definitely worth a look at. inb4 another awesome ven-diagram from Toad figuring out mafia! The chez voters were chez/axle/grush for a while. Not exactly votes that I find informative. The votes on me aren't wonderfully informative, [...] well when voteanalyzing you don't look at the people and their reasoning but just plain old facts, who voted who. Voting you or voting chez at a time when it was known that prplhz was FT's prime lynch candidate is or at least might be a mafia treat. Analyzing what that means and wether that's useful information comes afterwards :p
Their votes were crazy-early from what I remember. But yeah, worth checking the exact times on.
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