EPTOn January 23 2013 10:32 FiveTouch wrote:
Time to play the game, debears. No more screwing around.
Time to play the game, debears. No more screwing around.
Yeah, yeah. I'll get on it
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On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote: Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill). Unless some of them were a vig shot. Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"? Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? Wait, hold on, you saw both djo and jiexian being nked by scum over you and Austin?????? | ||
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##vote annul ##vote double lynch | ||
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On Djo and JX I find them extremely odd. They were both on players who seemed to be more null/scum than town imo. They aren't particularly deadly town players with reputations like Gonzaw, Austin So, this makes me think the scenario for the mafia is one of two things 1) Mafia has a few vets and they want us to have to decide between actual town vets and the scum vets 2) Mafia has multiple lurkers and want us to wifom into lynching our vets What do you say? | ||
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On January 23 2013 11:06 FiveTouch wrote: I wasn't aware that this was the reputation of gonzaw and austin. I don't quite know what happened with the nightkills, but in any case I'm certainly not lynching into bugs or Toad today. With gonzaw my read has been fluctuating. Mostly I'm curious why you bring this up. Do you think this will help us find mafia? Your entire post looks created to put ideas in people's heads, but I can't tell if it's malicious right this minute. One of the best ways to catch mafia is to figure out the type of mafia we are facing no? | ||
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On January 23 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Debears, how do you do that of 1 night flip, when we dont even know if Vigi hit or whatever. I would expect a vig to have claimed by now. A shot on sandro, JX, or Djo would be bad vig shots It's possible, but unlikely | ||
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How does town Gonzaw usually go after scumreads? Does he try to convince others that the person is scum? Or does he try to convince the person that they are scum? | ||
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On January 23 2013 12:09 DearestSnot wrote: I like gonzaw for a lynch actually. I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes. His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was. Chezinu has also fallen off the face of the Earth, though he looks considerably better than most players due to his willingness to lynch prplhz so early. I hope he wasn't the one scum that decided to bus him early. Bugs can you answer this? On January 23 2013 11:37 debears wrote: 5touch How does town Gonzaw usually go after scumreads? Does he try to convince others that the person is scum? Or does he try to convince the person that they are scum? | ||
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What is mafia trying to accomplish d1 with election 1) elect one of their own as mayor/sheriff 2) Trying to elect mayor who will get the first lynch wrong 3) Have someone on the correct mayor for town cred Gonzaw- - slight scum Up for election - didn't push it hard Didn't want to budge too fast on 5touch as mayor -----> didn't seem to care for trying to get mayor over 5 No comment on prplhz----> Don't agree with prplhz lynch Heavy pressure on sandro early Wanted to lynch stutters and Oats and Clarity -spread out btw those 4. Big discrepancy in treatment btw prplhz and sandro treatment for being inactive d1 Votes himself Really wanted to convince 5touch to lynch Oats over prplhz when realized he won't be mayor http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17590733 Thought stutters was scum and should be lynched, yet needs to explain himself to stutters so in depth? With a tone of treating Oats as town? Look at post before "stutters should be lynched" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17599229 Does it again. Then names Oats first in the scum team Tries to convince Oats that Oats is scum. Not really trying to convince others and show scum motivation | ||
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On January 23 2013 19:04 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2013 14:50 AxleGreaser wrote: Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well. However Bugs DID Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person. Toad Claims with logs that cant be verified. That he and Sandroba decided that together. I find that in itself implausible. I believe Sandroba is better than that. I believe Toad is better than that. That Scum then happened to luck out and guess who to attack when their other targets were so Low key.. is to me mind boggling lucky.... or it is a plan. If Toad is scum and takes the sheriff protection off Sandroba, scum kills Sandroba then Toad can claim the logs made him do it. Exactly how tricky does scum toad make his plans? I'm suspicious of Toad as well. I just don't see mafia being so precise or lucky with their kills without full knowledge of what he's going to do. I am against putting a taboo over the NK talk. For the fans of Ockham's : Mafia knew who was going to get jailed and that Bugs was going to be roleblocked, so they shot players like Djo and JX. Highly unlikely that they thought about 3² variations of WIFOM to determine their targets in such a way. Huh? When did this happen? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 22 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: I don't care if the elected roles are smurf, they have to be vets, and they have to be trustworthy. Gonzaw isn't trustworthy for shoveling shit at me for being absent after my candidacy like JX did + trying to be overly politically correct to everyone. austin isn't trustworthy for using artificial reasons to defend JX and picking stutters as lynch candidate. Austin used the argument: "Slight paranoia is townie" cause he wrote something about a Toad jester. Austin clearly didn't give a shit about JXs alignment from the start. That's my interpretation. FT already pointed out that this was a mistake. Seriously, stay the fuck away from gonzaw and austin. I'd rather have Chezinu mayor than these two. On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: ## Vote Sandroba If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use. If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position. Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position. I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. On January 22 2013 01:55 Vivax wrote: FT for mayor, that's out of discussion. Screw austin and gonzaw, they have to stay in put positions. Just make me his second hand and this town is set for victory. On January 22 2013 06:46 Vivax wrote: You all (debears, mkfuba, austin) must be really super-convinced that austin and JX are town if you flak me like that for a tentative scum read. What exactly do you want me to do? Isn't it electing austin? To lynch whom? Stutters for playing like I know him from D1? No thanks. Look, I find people suspicious who shovelled shit at me for my absence. I find people super suspicious who instead of posting their reasoning about it (like gonzaw did=semi-admitting that it wasn't a good point and in the end null cause I was sleeping) write that they had a reason to do so cause of some outer reason that has nothing to do with their thinking (the US tag), which then turns out to be wrong. When called out for it, they don't answer. Tell me, wouldn't you suspect scum behind it? You seem to be really convinced that he is town. On January 23 2013 20:33 Vivax wrote: Use something in your argumentation to say that you think gonzaw and annul are scum besides this mayor thing please. You say: "I think one and only one is scum among the mayor candidates, gonzaw and annul are probably scum cause everyone else I have a town read on." On January 23 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote: [22.01.2013 19:17:49] Erik: yeah I agree [22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most [22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch [22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish [22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia Strange things to say considering your latest insecurity about who to lynch first between annul and gonzaw when asked. Care to tell us why Oats is town for pushing gonzaw? [22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2... [22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night." [22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections What did BC respond to this? Although he probably let Toad jail nonetheless. So you thought Gonzaw was scum all day 1 and suddenly change your viewpoint and think he's town for no reason? And you suddenly get on everyone's case about voting gonzaw? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else): You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam. You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences. Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly. @ debears Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice. I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat. @ gonzaw There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer. I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me. @ Toad I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town. I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot. You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve. I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages. If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm. But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play. How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more. I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information. I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way. Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts. I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet. You will absolutely not regret me being elected. On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else): You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam. You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences. Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly. @ debears Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice. I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat. @ gonzaw There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer. I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me. @ Toad I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town. I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot. You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve. I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages. If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm. But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play. How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more. I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information. I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way. Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts. I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet. You will absolutely not regret me being elected. On January 21 2013 23:06 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Then I assume, since me and Toad are probably not going to get lynched today, that you will vote for the candidate that lynches Djo? @ Oatsmaster Would you support me/Toad/Sandro as elected role? If FT stops wanting to lynch you, will you support him? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ After looking at his meta, I support a prplhz lynch as well. I especially looked at his town meta: Looney lynching - town → More outspoken, more active, doesn't act as much as like he's not giving fuck as he does in this game. Rockband Mini - town → Shares reads very early, opposes random lynching (here he asks for Chez lynch immediately). Doesn't act like he doesn't give a fuck (as here). Significantly becomes more active when his mislynch is gaining steam. He posts a lot with not much time difference between the posts. On January 22 2013 06:22 Vivax wrote: Toad, I think it's of vital importance that austin doesn't get a seat. If there is no extra supporter to elect you Chezinu is my next favourite over austin. On January 22 2013 07:00 Vivax wrote: Chez you made me laugh a good portion. I'm voting Toad if we can manage to get him into that position though. Sorry bro  .On January 22 2013 10:01 Vivax wrote: GET TOAD ELECTED FFS And then you do a complete 180 on toad for no reason ![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/3sow8o.jpg) | ||
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Can't say the same for myself | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: Debears check the voting thread before you waste energy to find things that you misinterpreted anyway. People this game. Your flip on Toad is dumb and scummy as shit, considering he finally agrees with you on gonzaw. Yet, you still rip him for voting gonzaw. Oh, and the only reason you find him scum is jk wifom. You disregard his(toads) whole d1 play in which you preached him as town. Oh, and you think him and Gonzaw are suddenly scum team. Congratulations vivax this game......... | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote: yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. I think it's actually better that we did. We force mafia to nk either 1 or 2 of us that aren't considered solid town. Cuz no matter what our alignments will be figured out in the next two nights (unless for some reason you and 5touch are scum bum bum bum o.O) | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:32 austinmcc wrote: You pointed out the speed of the annul wagon and that you were uncomfortable with it. But I couldn't find your actual thoughts on doubly lynching anywhere earlier on in your filter. You asked about it in relation to the mayor's votes, but I didn't see particularly thoughts on whether we should/shouldn't double lynch. I'm less concerned with when it would occur if we voted for it, which anyone can find, and more concerned with WHY people voted for it. Do you think a double lynch is ALWAYS good for town? Why so? If not, why is it good for THIS town in this situation? It's stuff like that. Austin, we have lurkers in clarity, BK, and fuba. We have a scummy annul. We have a scummy Gonzaw We had questionable nks. What reason isn't there for double lynch? 1) We have to find a way to rid of these damn lurkers 2) I am 95% sure 5touch is town. Toad is looking town to me at this point also (his alignment will be figured out anyways eventually). Use them while we got them. 3) I will very very likely die tonight. I want to help what little I can before then | ||
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