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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 04:15 GMT
#3564
On January 29 2013 13:13 Vivax wrote:
I'm an idiot.

I saved scum from being lynched to lynch another scum.


you realise with how hard gonzaw pushed him day 2 that's quite unlikely, right?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 04:21 GMT
#3567
On January 29 2013 13:18 Vivax wrote:
Not really.
YANMM Wiggles did the same to me.
I was just a complete idiot for thinking Oats is town for pushing gonzaw.

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 18:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well yeah I agree with annul, Cause I think he is town.
There is absolutly no reason not to unvote Chez if you think that Annul is town.


This isn't the only reason Oats is scum.
The main reason is his activity in the other game.


oats pushing gonzaw is irrelevant, gonzaw hard pushing oats day 2 after a mafia lynch less so
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 04:30 GMT
#3572
On January 29 2013 13:23 Vivax wrote:
You're WIFOMING yourself pretty hard about that now. Town was dead-set on lynching Oats.

Time to ask you the famous question: Wasn't it crystal clear at the start of D2 that the lynch was between gonzaw and Oats?

Where did all your reasons for voting Oats D2 go?
You looked like you were the one pushing the lynch the hardest.


I was, but mostly I thought gonzaw was town because Oats was mafia, and vice versa.

It wasn't at all clear Oats was being lynched day 2, it only really started happening when i pushed it in the second half.

gonzaw could have for example being pushing annul for the first half of day 2, but he pushed Oats really hard instead.

I would feel really stupid if we lynched one of my bodyguards and he flipped town after a confirmed mafia decided he was the one that he would push all through day 2 :/

anyway, back tomorrow
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 12:01 GMT
#3599
On January 29 2013 18:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Marv, Axle might be back on the list... He's apparently not what everyone agreed him to be.


Then we should absolutely be lynching Axle.

His activity has dropped off a cliff.

##Vote: Axlegreaser
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 12:03 GMT
#3600
On January 29 2013 18:48 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 10:21 FiveTouch wrote:
This desperately needs answering, by the way.

On January 29 2013 07:26 FiveTouch wrote:
annul: During night 2, you asked this:

On January 26 2013 02:25 annul wrote:
hey WBG and fivetouch and toad

who are your top three scum reads pl0x


bugs and toad gave you Chez/BKE/fuba, I gave you Chez/BKE/axlegreaser

Knowing that we were 99% likely going to lynch Chez/BKE day 3, why on earth did you put your bomb on Chezinu?





Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 11:03 annul wrote:
On January 27 2013 10:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Annul forgive me if this has been asked and I missed it, but why did you keep your bomb on Chezinu through n2? He was a pretty clear top candidate as soon as the d2 flip happened. Wouldn't it have made sense to move it to one of the other scummy people who probably wouldn't be lynched?


if i died, i wanted to take a mafia with me.



Why on earth would you die? How would you die? Why would you put your bomb on someone who is going to die already?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 12:19 GMT
#3603
Oats, would you please look at who you're bloody posting under.

I agree it's not a strong point Toad. I also agree with your list of 3.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 12:23 GMT
#3605
On January 29 2013 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 21:18 BinOnFire wrote:
Yeah, considering on Axle's general posting patterns in the newbie that he played, in which pretty much it died after night 2, he posted a LOT.
Here, not so much.
Also, Im totally ignoring his posts cause I cant understand them


HOW IS IT SO HARD?? //


Here's a clue: it isn't
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 13:11 GMT
#3609
On January 29 2013 21:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Also if Axle isn't the medic his "medic-like"-posts sound a lot like mafia because he's thinking about medics so much.

Remember:
  • He was FURIOUS about me jailing bugs instead of Sandro (reason #1 I thought he's medic)
  • He wrote twice that "that's when I thought I understood the medic plan" or something like that, which again, made me think he's a medic for thinking about that. (reason #2, #3 to think he's a medic)
  • He apologized for screwing up twice as well and said the mistake was on him when talking about
    • my jail n1 and that he should have listened to what I said instead of what bugs said
    • my jail n2 when I was so furious about bugs dying when I made it perfectly clear that I need protection on bugs

    that's reason #4 and #5 for thinking he was a medic
  • He kept on talking about the medic thing NONSTOP and nothing else, which is reason #6 I thought he's a medic


Now if we take all that into consideration and with the knowledge that he in fact isn't a medic he thinks about medics an awful lot for apparently no reason.
He also tried to figure out the "medic plan" I did n1 and n2. Why would you do that unless you're a medic yourself?

I REALLY thought the guy is just a bad townie who kept blabbering about his role and can't keep his mouth shut and ignored the fact that he's not contributing both because I was damn certain about him being a medic and because being focused about a role (medic) like that is something new guys do if they happen to have that role themselves...
Bugs thought the same thing, I told marv about it and he INSTANTLY agreed and said it's so obvious now that I mentioned it in mason-chat, which is the reason he changed from axle being probably mafia to axle being probably town so suddenly.

Now that we know he is no medic it looks an awful lot like someone trying to contribute something (talk about medics) when it doesn't do a thing for us. At all.
On top of that he is really focused about who ends up being medic'ed / jailed and there's obvious mafia reason to think about that a lot. I don't see a lot of reasons for townies to think about that stuff unless you're involved yourself (aka: you are the medic).


Basically I agree with this whole post.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 13:21 GMT
#3610
So anyway, let's kill Axle. And annul you need to answer this properly.

On January 29 2013 21:03 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 18:48 annul wrote:
On January 29 2013 10:21 FiveTouch wrote:
This desperately needs answering, by the way.

On January 29 2013 07:26 FiveTouch wrote:
annul: During night 2, you asked this:

On January 26 2013 02:25 annul wrote:
hey WBG and fivetouch and toad

who are your top three scum reads pl0x


bugs and toad gave you Chez/BKE/fuba, I gave you Chez/BKE/axlegreaser

Knowing that we were 99% likely going to lynch Chez/BKE day 3, why on earth did you put your bomb on Chezinu?





On January 27 2013 11:03 annul wrote:
On January 27 2013 10:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Annul forgive me if this has been asked and I missed it, but why did you keep your bomb on Chezinu through n2? He was a pretty clear top candidate as soon as the d2 flip happened. Wouldn't it have made sense to move it to one of the other scummy people who probably wouldn't be lynched?


if i died, i wanted to take a mafia with me.



Why on earth would you die? How would you die? Why would you put your bomb on someone who is going to die already?

Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 13:54 GMT
#3616
On January 29 2013 22:46 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 21:03 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 29 2013 18:48 annul wrote:
On January 29 2013 10:21 FiveTouch wrote:
This desperately needs answering, by the way.

On January 29 2013 07:26 FiveTouch wrote:
annul: During night 2, you asked this:

On January 26 2013 02:25 annul wrote:
hey WBG and fivetouch and toad

who are your top three scum reads pl0x


bugs and toad gave you Chez/BKE/fuba, I gave you Chez/BKE/axlegreaser

Knowing that we were 99% likely going to lynch Chez/BKE day 3, why on earth did you put your bomb on Chezinu?





On January 27 2013 11:03 annul wrote:
On January 27 2013 10:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Annul forgive me if this has been asked and I missed it, but why did you keep your bomb on Chezinu through n2? He was a pretty clear top candidate as soon as the d2 flip happened. Wouldn't it have made sense to move it to one of the other scummy people who probably wouldn't be lynched?


if i died, i wanted to take a mafia with me.



Why on earth would you die? How would you die? Why would you put your bomb on someone who is going to die already?



how i'd die: through NKs

why i'd die: who knows wtf the mafia is doing?

explanation for the bombing (for the third time):

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 18:49 annul wrote:
and i thought i could convince the town that the logic was sound to get off of chez (assuming BKE was red... which we ALL did, nearly unanimously). my persuasive skills are bad apparently.



So effectively your argument is that in the miniscule eventuality you get killed on Night 2, you were going to blow up a mafia that was certainly going to die anyway the next day.

Right?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 14:12 GMT
#3620
On January 29 2013 23:02 Vivax wrote:
Gonzaw:

→ Toad is scum. (Based on Toad's D2 targets I can't imagine he's scum)
→ They were afraid of electing gonzaw like that.
→ Toad is town and they didn't give a fuck about framing townies or getting one of theirs elected. (I'm pretty sure they did give a fuck)

Austin:

→ Toad is scum.
→ They were afraid of electing austin like that, just like gonzaw.
→ Austin is town and they didn't think about framing austin like that and preferred Toad as townie over austin anyway.
→ Toad is town and they didn't give a fuck about framing townies or getting one of theirs elected.


Vivax, this is all working on the rather wonky promise that mafia want to elect town into elected positions. Given prplhz was absent, Chez was trolling etc., I'd rather imagine they were far more worrying about the fact that a mayor was getting elected on a landslide on the platform of lynching a mafia.

If I were mafia during day 1, I can't really imagine that I'd be thinking of trying to frame a townie by electing them into office, especially as it wasn't clear where all the votes were lying/how they would end up.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 14:12 GMT
#3621
promise = premise
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 14:19 GMT
#3624
Toad, Axle saying he thought gonzaw might be mafia was the thing that gave me pause when I went through his filter on whichever evening it was.

The issue was that he never pushed the idea at all. He pushes Vivax quite a bit on Day 1, and the whole medic stuff a lot too, but otherwise there isn't much to hang your hat on.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 14:30 GMT
#3629
On January 29 2013 23:26 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah that's what I thought...

I guess all three out of: Annul, axle and mkfuba make good lynches for today.
I would have actually thought mafia would just give up when we lynched BKE and chez and then BKE suddenly flipped town, meaning something had to be wrong in our calculasions about one guy.

Axle being labled as 99% percent certain townie by all three of us (bugs, Marv, Toad) might be the reason they still thought they're in this.
It also fits the bill on the fact that we had to be wrong on one specific guy that has no connections to someone else because axle supposedly being a medic was the only reason he never got lynched.

TL;DR: Probably axle > annul > mkfuba?


Yeah. At the very least annul needs to be giving a better explanation for putting his bomb on Chez.

Because at the moment it seems like putting your bomb on someone who is getting lynched the next day on the really small chance he gets NKed on that exact same night (over bugs, over the outed cop...) seems really, really dodgy.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 14:31 GMT
#3630
On January 29 2013 23:28 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 22:54 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 29 2013 22:46 annul wrote:
On January 29 2013 21:03 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 29 2013 18:48 annul wrote:
On January 29 2013 10:21 FiveTouch wrote:
This desperately needs answering, by the way.

On January 29 2013 07:26 FiveTouch wrote:
annul: During night 2, you asked this:

On January 26 2013 02:25 annul wrote:
hey WBG and fivetouch and toad

who are your top three scum reads pl0x


bugs and toad gave you Chez/BKE/fuba, I gave you Chez/BKE/axlegreaser

Knowing that we were 99% likely going to lynch Chez/BKE day 3, why on earth did you put your bomb on Chezinu?





On January 27 2013 11:03 annul wrote:
On January 27 2013 10:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Annul forgive me if this has been asked and I missed it, but why did you keep your bomb on Chezinu through n2? He was a pretty clear top candidate as soon as the d2 flip happened. Wouldn't it have made sense to move it to one of the other scummy people who probably wouldn't be lynched?


if i died, i wanted to take a mafia with me.



Why on earth would you die? How would you die? Why would you put your bomb on someone who is going to die already?



how i'd die: through NKs

why i'd die: who knows wtf the mafia is doing?

explanation for the bombing (for the third time):

On January 29 2013 18:49 annul wrote:
and i thought i could convince the town that the logic was sound to get off of chez (assuming BKE was red... which we ALL did, nearly unanimously). my persuasive skills are bad apparently.



So effectively your argument is that in the miniscule eventuality you get killed on Night 2, you were going to blow up a mafia that was certainly going to die anyway the next day.

Right?


do you have an inability to read or something?

for the FOURTH time,

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 18:49 annul wrote:
i thought i could convince the town {...} to get off of chez.



WHY WOULD YOU WANT TOWN NOT TO LYNCH A MAFIA
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 14:39 GMT
#3632
It's night 2. Here's the premises:

1. Toad, FT, bugs, as well as others all want to lynch BKE and Chezinu, believing both to be clearly mafia
2. Therefore these 2 will get lynched on day 3 and hopefully flip mafia
3. You decide to put your bomb on a mafia who is getting lynched the next day, because you might get shot on Night 2 (on Night 3 you could move your bomb so it doesn't matter).
4. You try to stop town lynching a guy everyone thinks is mafia, because you put your bomb on him, despite it being obvious that he was getting lynched the next day

If you're town, there's a terrible, terrible breakdown in thought process somewhere along the line here.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 15:05 GMT
#3635
On January 30 2013 00:02 Vivax wrote:
You know, he could just say : "Well shit, I used my role in a really bad manner sorry" and start saying what he wants to do today.

Instead he's seemingly afraid to look bad and openly says he wanted town to get off Chez wtf.


This is what is giving me problems. There actually seems to be a chance that somehow a town annul genuinely thought what he did was a good idea, and that arguing for town not to lynch a mafia is also somehow a good idea. Ugh.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 16:23 GMT
#3639
On January 30 2013 01:11 debears wrote:
Was it brought up that Axle had his d1 votes on both Chez and Gonzaw for mayor?


I think I've talked about it before, but yeah. The best reason for thinking Axle isn't mafia is that he was medic.

Axle refused to vote for me on day 1 due to smurf readability issues, but was happy to vote Chez, and later he voted for gonzaw despite saying he didn't think he was actually town, merely that he'd be able to read him in future days.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 16:28 GMT
#3642
On January 30 2013 01:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Also Mocsta can you provide the timestamp for the first PM Annul responded with? Thanks.


Still not reading the thread? Mocsta is dead.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 29 2013 16:32 GMT
#3645
Stutters, dearest, it's very hard to take what you say seriously when you keep missing large thread events like who Vivax checked and who died... ^^
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