EPTWould town Austin honestly think the stuff he picked out of my filter somehow makes me mafia?
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yamato77
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Would town Austin honestly think the stuff he picked out of my filter somehow makes me mafia? | ||
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or is it in one hour? | ||
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gives us your reads for when you flip town | ||
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On January 31 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote: Not entirely sure what you mean by "excusable." Otherwise, I've been pretty open in saying that I knew some of my filter looked REALLY bad after I was wrong in some reads. So yeah, if you did a lot of the same stuff, you're going to look bad too. We're both going to look bad. I have the benefit of knowing I'm town. But your reaction to similar filters is to have wildly different reads. I'm fine having balls and being consistent. You're being remarkably inconsistent. In ways that make you look bad. I am always inconsistent. Get a new argument. Also, WTF @ that flip | ||
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On January 31 2013 11:10 austinmcc wrote: You do realize he can't be scum if I'm scum. You're less likely mafia after the flip, but not completely off the hook. At this point, with the people I'm looking at, it's a scum grading system, and grush just jumped to the top. | ||
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Nothing to discuss unless someone does something really stupid. | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote: I disagree, it makes grush look infinitely better. Why would this mafia team not want to mason people? So they don't get caught in the mason circles. Isn't that pretty much the same thing grush has done? | ||
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I knew he was mason with Chez like me D1, FT has the logs. | ||
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I knew it. | ||
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I played a silly game of mafia after a certain point because I figured the reason scum hadn't quit was because one of the elected was mafia, and therefor operated under the assumption that one or both may be. Hence my attack on Marv, and wanting Toad dead after I died. The fact that neither were is both a testament to the strength of town on Day 1 this game, and the overall weakness of mafia in the same time frame. What I also suspected was that one of the BGs must be mafia if neither had been shot, because there's no way mafia would give up both elected roles and both BGs and then not shoot any of them. I just happened to have them wrong when I was working on this piece of logic, because I thought Oats was town and debears the mafia. It's a weakness of my play, as town saw this game with my reads/opinions of Chez/Axle/Oats, that I give people who are playing unreadably too much credit. I must make more of an effort to get reads on them, despite the difficulty. Why I was wrong on Oats, I don't know. I thought I analysed some idiosyncrasies of his town play well, that he had tendencies that I thought wouldn't translate to his mafia play. I had a discussion with Marv on this while in mason chat, and what he brought up was something I didn't see in Oats' play this game but was definitely in his town game, which was that he is accusatory out of the gate as town, and not so this game. This is a town tell in general, but more importantly a tendency of Oats when he is town, which I should have seen stronger than I did. Overall, I think I'm still running into similar problems with my play. I'm getting caught up in conspiracy theories, and I'm playing highly emotional. For a good while after mid Day 1 and into mid Day 2, I had a run of playing some decent mafia. Everything else I did this game was pretty lackluster. My mason targets weren't bad, but I feel like I missed an opportunity to catch Chezinu day 1. What won town this game, aside from Marv's brilliance, was the fact that the mafia NKs were atrocious. JX and Djo were mislynches, not NKs. Me and Mocsta should have died N1, 100%, after both of us masoning Chezinu. The fact that we both communicated with Marv the next day, and gave our Chezinu logs allowed him, in part, to catch Chezinu. Killing us both before anyone in town knew who we were would have been perfect. Also, I think that mafia obviously derped in not getting anyone elected. The setup demanded such an action from the team, and while an obvious effort was made, the fact that it didn't happen was a huge blow to mafia's power this game. Furthermore, I think the decision to make Oats a BG was bad. While it helped stave off his lynch, it also made debears, and thus town's elected roles, unkillable targets if you didn't want to sacrifice Oats in the process. It would have been a better decision to gain intelligence on the BGs after N1 either through masoning or outright claiming, as happened this game, and then killing them N2 and getting to town's very strong elected positions in the following nights. As for town overall, I feel like players not named Bugs/Toad/Marv/Sandro need to look at how they played after D1 and reassess what their objective should be, myself included. There was a lot of nothing done this game by those players. A few of us managed to play pro-town enough to avoid mislynches, but there were enough question marks that a good mafia team could have taken advantage of and pulled out a win, even with both elected roles alive the whole game. Our claim to fame was realizing a good town leader when we saw one, which was enough to win this game, but isn't in most other non-mayor setups. I feel like I'm getting close to being a decent town player. I just need to get rid of my paranoia about town leaders. If someone has lynched mafia the whole game, there's no reason to doubt their towniness.  Sorry, Marv. | ||
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Why do you not kill them over 2 VTs that people wanted to lynch? Vivax, I can see. One of Bugs/Sandro, too, but to leave both of us alive for 2 whole cycles? Idk. Maybe it sounds a little self-centered to say I should have been shot, but come on. It's kind of ridiculous that we were alive for 3 cycles when we both masoned mafia D1. | ||
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If anything, he got Mocsta + Me to mason FT, which was partly his own undoing. Me masoning Marv was the best thing I did this game. During that time, for the most part, I played some decent mafia. Maybe he had some sort of plan, but after D1 I started ignoring his posts like I did Axle's. He was in a similar category to me at that time. Also, it should have been obvious from my N1 post that those 2 PMs were all I said to grush, lol. No one knew I was mason besides Chez until D2, and it didn't become common knowledge until D3. | ||
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