On January 25 2013 01:44 Toadesstern wrote: so justs to get this straight, he claimed DT and claimed to get back his alignment + roles, correct?
That should be easy enough to confirm, give me a sec.
The fact is, he got back a check from N1 about something he's saying Gonzaw is doing D2. How the fuck does that work?
I think they're both mafia.
mafias can have multiple roles. So it could be a jack + mason mafia if he's telling the truth. I'm just doubting that you get roles when checking people oO
On January 25 2013 01:50 Toadesstern wrote: so you get back roles only, which means you found a jack + mason and not a jack is that correct? because the first one would be a confirmed mafia besides not knowing his alignment.
you claimed a fucking lie. I had to find out wether you're a retard or mafia claiming a lie on purpose. Sry won't do that again in future games.
On January 25 2013 04:19 Stutters695 wrote: What lie? Maybe I'm not understanding, but isn't a jack mason return a valid result?
it is... he said it's a jack who used his mason powers. That's the whole reason why everyone was so confused because isntead of just telling us what he got as a result he kept on talking about what he "thought" he found...
On January 25 2013 04:16 DearestSnot wrote: I've been "oddly silent" because I was asleep until like 3-4 hours ago, then went to class.
I don't find it that likely that debears is scum. Certainly possible but it doesn't really matter, given that if he is scum then he's pigeonholed by virtue of being a BG. There are better targets than him out there, notably Chezinu.
Perhaps I was wrong about Oats and took the wrong side in Oats/gonzaw, but I'm still convinced BKE is mafia.
yeah. And with gonzaw being red (assuming he will flip red) Chez really isn't the next target to go.
On January 25 2013 04:31 Stutters695 wrote: Also my vote is on Gonzaw currently for obvious reasons. Forgot to mention that in the thread when I posted it due to being in between classes.
This spoilered part is about debears since I don't want to spam the thread with BG talk, but I still would like an answer to this.
Debears is looking more town to me but I still would like to hear why he waited to deliver such an underwhelming case on Oats and not delivering on djo.
On January 24 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Also debears, this DOES NOT explain why your day 1 was the epitome of a lurker/newbie scum who doesnt want to post.
I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read
This quote too. You explained that you don't spam because these are big games, but you didn't explain at all why d1 you "contributed" a meta read that you never followed through with and not much else except policy talk. Why have you just been providing meta reads instead of like the cases you pushed in previous town games that were much more logical?
Stutters, there really is no reason for me to answer this. I'm gonna die tonight. You need to look at people that will likely survive the night
we have 2 claimed DTs, another claimed blue, a bodyguard and people like WBG who are most likely going to be shot by mafia for being good. I would have agreed with you 4 hours ago but now.... I don't think mafia can shoot all of that at once.
I agreed with a lot of what Bugs said and I apparently came to a lot of conclusions he came to as well. Read: us both saying we shouldn't lynch a bodyguard when we only have 6 or 7 peopel who aren't basicly confirmed townies while only 4 mafias are alive, which makes for a PRETTY decent chance to hit mafia either way.
There's about no way bugs is mafia. About as good looking as FT and myself imo.
On January 25 2013 13:26 FiveTouch wrote: I pretty much agree with everything you say on BKE and Chezinu there. fuba? You might be correct, but I have him lightly town for the fact that he supported me killing prplhz on Day 1. He simply didn't have to do that. And I know he's an intelligent enough guy not to do such things just because.
For what it's worth, my two comments on him in my notes read, from Day 1: "even less content than usual. but voted me wanting to kill prplhz. could easily have kept his vote on austin or elsewhere." and Day 2: "nothing i wouldn't expect him to do as town"
It's possible that I'm wrong on him, but there's a couple of other players I'd look at first.
yeah pretty much that.
On a sidenote now that we've got 2 mafias down: I will jail offensivly tonight. No need to protect Vivax if you're a medic. That guy is going to get roleblocked into eternity, assuming mafia has a RB and mafia ALWAYS has a RB. There's other people that are better of protected and I'm trusting your judgement on that one.
I'm still considering to jail Vivax isntead of an offensive jail because he's going to get RB'ed anyways and maybe mafias shoots him after all but I doubt it's going to happen.
Repeat: I will most likely not use my powers to protect someone or safe Vivax. Your call to what to do if you're a medic.
EBWOP god it's early. Made perfect sense in german, but not so much in english :p
On January 25 2013 13:43 Toadesstern wrote: [...] Repeat: I will most likely not use my powers to protect someone unless maybe Vivax. Your call what to do if you're a medic.
On January 25 2013 10:12 Vivax wrote: So, two out of FT/Toad/austin/Mocsta have to be town.
Just...who is it?
You perfectly explain that everyone out of those (besides austin) has to be town over here:
On January 25 2013 09:51 Vivax wrote: I'll give you an example of a "townslip" :
I thought gonzaw was a "Jack Mason" in the meaning that his currently selected power is mason. That's why I started speculating about him being vig yesterday and mason today. I wouldn't have said these things if I was scum, cause I would have known how things work. If you think I "built them in" in the hope that someone would see this as a townslip, then you overestimate both me and this town.
That's why you have to look at the people who seemed to know how things worked on the mafia side. You will most likely find them in the moments after my claim.
and yet you're claiming the opposite. wtf are you doing.
I don't really care. At this point we have 5 people who aren't confirmed town. Out of those 5 people 3 are mafia. Chez and BKE with almost 100% certainty (hinthint: I was pushing for BKE yesterday instead of lynching oats, Bugs was pushing for Chez instead of oats, FT lynched prplhz d1, mocsta knows his shit).
I exagerated a little when I said everyone but 5 people is confirmed. In reality only half the game is confirmed town by now but you're still looking very much townish. Just not confirmed.
On January 25 2013 14:29 Toadesstern wrote: I exagerated a little when I said everyone but 5 people is confirmed. In reality only half the game is confirmed town by now but you're still looking very much townish. Just not confirmed.
The statement still holds true. Everyone but 5 people is either confirmed town or looking really townish.
On January 25 2013 15:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok WBG, I think grush could be scum. Because, he is trolling the thread, has no actual scum reads. He still hasnt explained why he masoned yamato.
Gonzaw just flipped mafia mason. Yeah there can be multiple masons but with 5 mafias in a 22 player game, with mafia having a jack as well I really doubt it.
On top of that mafia can choose who ends up being what role for them. Here's a bunch of questions:
Do you think they would give Grush that role? (okay... wifom) If he's a mafia he got in his QT telling people "DUDES I TOTALLY WANT TO BE A MASON" because he masoned early. Do you think he'd get in a game with that attitude as mafia and then just not use his mason powers as all? I mean look at the "conversation" lol.
On January 25 2013 15:27 DearestSnot wrote: should I do a "this is where we are right now" kind of post?
Because basically I have absolutely no problem with outting every single read of mine on every single player, but I don't want to taint everyone else's reads. Basically if I'm wrong anywhere I don't want people sheeping me; different perspectives are useful, and I'm asking people to name these reads so I can see what you guys think before I just flood the thread with what I think could be game-breaking reads if they are 100% correct.
I need to be absolutely sure of almost everything though. At the moment I'm like...95-97% sure of everything. There's a few tiny holes but honestly...I don't see us losing by basically just taking a list of 6-7 players and lynching them indiscriminately.
On January 25 2013 15:27 DearestSnot wrote: should I do a "this is where we are right now" kind of post?
Because basically I have absolutely no problem with outting every single read of mine on every single player, but I don't want to taint everyone else's reads. Basically if I'm wrong anywhere I don't want people sheeping me; different perspectives are useful, and I'm asking people to name these reads so I can see what you guys think before I just flood the thread with what I think could be game-breaking reads if they are 100% correct.
I need to be absolutely sure of almost everything though. At the moment I'm like...95-97% sure of everything. There's a few tiny holes but honestly...I don't see us losing by basically just taking a list of 6-7 players and lynching them indiscriminately.
yeah same here.
just that I'd make it even more extreme than you worded it.
I guess there's no reason to post it right now. We can both post our reads at deadline and see where we disagree and for what reason although I doubt you're stupid enough to not have this game figured out 99% by now bugs :p
Don't feel like editing out info I shouldn't post right now in my sheet...
After this game I would love to know how u guys make notes etc
i just read the thread, and get a gut feeling.. if i dont like someone, i read the filter and then makes notes as im reading the filter
you guys seem to make notes as you read the thread; and seem to have detailed noted on all players
is that correct?
actually depends. in minis I have detailed notes about everyone linking to every post I consider important with an explanation. That way I can just copy & paste my spreadsheet about anyone and instantly have like 10 important points about someone and the reasoning for why they're important. On top of that I have the table-kind-of-sheet you already saw in my logs with Sandro as an overall sheet, to sum everything up. And I only link to that one when I post my reads at night when I think I might die.
In big games it's way too much effort to do that imo and I only have the overview you already saw, with some reasoning inbetween but only on weak reads.