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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 02:34 GMT
#3257
Stutters. he said he checked bugs (who died that night)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 06:57 GMT
#3264
I will post my logs with chez when i get home.

The only major thing iirc is he asks my opinion on yamato and says he thibks he is more town than me.

O.s. He doesnt refer to yamato by name. I only found out it wsd yamato later
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 10:13 GMT
#3268

Mocsta
Welcome mr. Brown.
I have taken the bait you laid.

You have been masoned.

I await your feedback.

Chezinu
Hello there. I mentioned in the thread that masons should mason the mayor. I am not the mayor....yet. So, perhaps you think I will be. Well good! For I will need trusted masons to give some top secret information too. Ah, but townie masons may not be the only ones who will be talking to me. For mafia could have masons too! The most trusted of the masons shall receive the information that could save the town in case of disaster! The disaster being of someone's death. It would also be good if masons would contact the sheriff as well.

To gain my trust. What do you think of yam? And I'm not asking about food. I'm asking about a player..
Mocsta
This is very different to the newbie games. Love it.

For your question: Yamato

Null. From what I have seen with him in the past, he is hot-headed and overtly aggressive, but nonetheless is a discussion promoter, if not controversial one.

From his play so far, nothing he has said is specifically town motivated. But overall the early day contributions for me are lacking.


As you are aware of. The land of the brown is an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.

To gain my trust. What do you think of Grush? And I'm not asking about 'When a straight girl has a non-sexual "crush" on another girl'. I'm asking about a player..
Chezinu
Ah, your mirroring me. That's a great way to gains ones trust.

So, that's what grush means? I though it was just a random user name. Interesting...

grush - I've seen him play mafia a lot. He is usually the first to go.

As townie, I don't know.

Toad no like grush
Grush like yam!

As for the trade, null! muhahaha

You say the land of the brown. Pshh... When it comes to the Chezinu the Brown. His servants usually obey. Look at the bear. Nice and obedient little bear...

So, I will give you more information. Your not the only one talking to me...What do you think about multiple masons?
Mocsta
Interesting.

Toad no like Grush.
Grush like yam!

Syllogism: Toad no like YAM!

Multiple masons speaking to you. it is conceivable. Perhaps they communicated with you for the same reasons as I.. but.. lets not lead to non-sequiturs.
Others are talking to you.. Perhaps mafia has communicated with you, but as you pointed out earlier, there would be no value to this,as mayor Chezinu is currently not. Perhaps you are mason, but then, by choice, or by role. The wine is indeed strong.

P.S.
"His servants usually obey." Luckily I am not the status quo.

Next!!
Chezinu
Would you like to speak to the other?

I can get in an IRC with you and then get in an IRC with the other. I can talk to you in one and copy paste your comments in the other. I can then copy paste the other's comments in the IRC that you are in!

Brilliant isn't it!?!?!? The other hasn't replied back to my recent pms.. So we may have to do this later.

But what do you think?
Mocsta
Not interested... I am concerned Chezinu.

You want to run for Mayor; and you blatantly ignore the WIFOM I phrased earlier?!?!?

How do you choose to address this matter?
Chezinu
"WIFOM" I ignore that word. Bad players use that word. We are in PMland! This is a friendly land full of fun! There is no need to get mad.... for explosions will go off by themselves! Just sit back and watch the fireworks!
Mocsta
OK.

Lets play a game.

Peek-a-boo.. I see you.

So now that you have multiple admirers, peeking at you. What is your take on me.
Chezinu
I no like you!

You no listen.

You no play my game.

Yet you want me to play your game.
Mocsta
So.. why do you think I masoned you.
Chezinu
I was thinking for the very same reason the other did. I was just waiting for you to ask the question. The other asked and I told.
Mocsta
Please extrapolate
Chezinu
I was guessing you misread my post in the thread?
Mocsta
misread intentionally?

that is the question i ask
Chezinu
....

you know, we could be having a productive discussion like I am with the other mason...

All you have to do is act a bit more sane.
Mocsta
Lead the way pls, and follow I may.
Chezinu
Ok, both of you masons are currently talking to me. Do you guys want to talk through me?


We moved to IRC.. i dont have the logs saved,

He then PMs me this stuff

Chezinu - Title: Trust Granted
+ Show Spoiler +

Note: its kind out of date. I made some changes since then. Oh and this was directed to the other mason - plz ignore the weird.

You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))).

OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you!

Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks..

To say or not to say? That is the question.

OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know.

Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election.

So, where am I going with this?

The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will.

This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia.

Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy.

This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games).

Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba.

As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die).

As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that?



Later sends this

Chezinu

You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game.

So, does this mean that I shouldn't become mayor? Seeing that two people already masoned me, if I'm mayor I won't be able to tell anyone who the bodyguards are... So by talking to me, your kind of eliminating my chances to become a good mayor.


And when I hadn't voted 4 hrs to the deadline. sends me this.

Chezinu - Title: Vote!!
Save yourself!



Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 10:16 GMT
#3269
The logs between Chez and I as promised. I am posting this incase I am a target for the NK for whatever reason

I do not have the IRC stuff, but that is where we discussed the 6 weapons of influence etc (i.e. #1 reciprocity etc)

Anyways, of note.. Chezinu says:
On January 28 2013 19:13 Mocsta wrote:
Chezinu
grush - I've seen him play mafia a lot. He is usually the first to go.

As townie, I don't know.

Toad no like grush
Grush like yam!


Chez is now confirmed mafia, and says he not sure if Grush is town.

WHAT is weird. is.. Chezinu says "Grush like yam!"... this was WAY before yamato came out and said Grush mason him.

Im not sure what to make of this... just got home from another bbq, so not in the mood to think.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 10:38 GMT
#3271
twas yamato, but i didnt find that out until Night 2.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 11:20 GMT
#3274
My understanding is that:
Day 1
Yamato -> (masoned) -> Chezinu
Mocsta -> (masoned) -> Chezinu
Grush -> (masoned) -> Yamato
Toad -> (masoned) -> Sandroba
Chezinu -> ???
Gonzaw -> ???

Day 2
Yamato -> (masoned) -> FiveTouch
Mocsta -> (masoned) -> FiveTouch
Grush -> ???
Toad -> ???
Chezinu -> ???
Gonzaw -> ???

Day 3
Yamato -> ???
Mocsta -> (masoned) -> Annul
Grush -> ???
Toad -> FiveTouch
Chezinu -> FiveTouch
Gonzaw
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 12:39 GMT
#3276
On January 28 2013 21:04 annul wrote:
was there a four way chat going on on day 1 among the grush - yamato - chezinu - mocsta chain?

Nope

On January 28 2013 19:38 Mocsta wrote:
twas yamato, but i didnt find that out until Night 2.


and I didnt know Grush was mason till Yamato gave that information out.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 13:05 GMT
#3278
You may ask

(1) I took his bait about having information and wanted to satisfy my curiosity. I also didnt think he would be mayor so was willing to burn a mason cycle on him (it was as I posted to him in the PM)

(2) His first response to me was @ " 1/20/13 22:31"

(3) No, he said he had another mason linked to him. I didnt want to know anything about it (refer to logs). When we shifted to IRC, it was just me and Chezinu. I dont have those logs available.


The quote you highlighted was written before we moved to IRC.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 13:36 GMT
#3283
I will be here for max of another 30min, and then going to bed. Will be up 1-2hrs before NK with just phone access.

If you want to ask me questions, now is the time.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 13:42 GMT
#3286
18min to go Vivax
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 13:50 GMT
#3288
lol.. what dont u see as a scum trait vivax.

Keeping tunneling me all you want (Im assuming your finally off Yamato)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 13:52 GMT
#3289
Ohh and Vivax. its good to know next game I play with you ..

In my first post I will write starsenses
and subsequently i will make one post per cycle.

The outcome: Vivax will think I am town.

Awesome heuristics there Vivax.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 14:00 GMT
#3292
I assume that is rhetorical.

Im going to bed now.

Last wishes:
mkfuba is still my #1
he has added some token posts into the fray, but nothing is really contributing, its just agreeing with status quo and in my opinion trying to blend in. I dont recall any original thought within his posts either.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 22:33 GMT
#3461
Austins vet claim + kneepad job on Gonzaw, reminded me of this find about Gonzaw "framing" throw out. Note, Austin tried to say that a reason he is town is because he diddnt throw out the framing comment @ the start of Gonzaw suspicion.. but Vivax withheld the check information for along time, and when he did he made the assumption the jack took a shot. There was no reason to speak about "framing" as it looked like many questioned Vivax heavily first so that it may not have taken off.



On January 26 2013 10:00 Mocsta wrote:
OOOO.. the other thing with Austin is him developing the framer informatoin.

look at what he speculated, vs'd what I raised about Gonzaw and the framing issue (in particular the VT timing)

Im a newbie.. Austin is a vet.... why am I picking up on the points I did?


On January 25 2013 09:25 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 03:25 gonzaw wrote:
If this was a "legit" frame/attempt to misslynch me it's weird as fuck because "jack mason" doesn't make any sense.

So gonzaw throws in the frame stuff to potentially play some WIFOM (In my last game (played scum).. we had already discussed if any of us was cop checked, we would play the frame card.. just like Gonzaw did now.. its a WIFOM bomb and very hard to dispute with the information in the thread)

Whats interesting however is his initial response to being under the pump
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 03:24 gonzaw wrote:
WTF?

That's so obviously bullshit. I didn't mason anybody at all that doesn't make sense?

Wow holy shit let me think about this

Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 03:40 gonzaw wrote:
I am also a VT, which doesn't matter at all anyways so might as well claim.

If I was VT. I would know straight away I been framed.. “hey guys I didn’t mason anybody.. im a vt”

It takes him 15 min to post he is a VT.. this is suspect (if he was framed)

Now, if we assume the frame is debuffed. This is interesting too
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2013 10:36 gonzaw wrote:
Kind of saw this coming to be honest (except the sandro kill).
Unless some of them were a vig shot.

Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"?


Everyone was shocked ppl like JX were killed.. and his response is “I saw this coming” and immediately has the clarity of mind to assume vig…
This is fishy as, and to me, with the jack check, makes sense.. he was already prepared to throw out vig before the kills occurred.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 23:12 GMT
#3464
Wtf vivax.

Grush mason you and u keep your mouth shut this entire time.

And have the tenacity to ask me for logs.

Thats a big fuck you right there.

P.s. Yamato after mafia LVIII u said u were going to try to tunnel less.
Regarding austin. U said "i refuse to believe ....." that sounds pretty tunneled to me. We need to be willing to hear both sides of the story before making a conclusion.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 23:15 GMT
#3465
Fuba why do u want to circle jerk with annul over the logs so bad.

What r u doing to contribute to the scum hunt? Who r your reads..where is your pressure.

U ask for more logs but dont even give an opinion on the currently presented ones... Wtf

p.s. It takes a long time to collate them. So the answer for u. Is no at this stage
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 23:30 GMT
#3468
Vivax why u keeo that grush mason u ffs.

Why am i out here giving u and town information. And ur just shutting your mouth.

U r the only person that may have had a meaningful interaction with grush this gamr. And we dont even know if u think he is town.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2013 23:34 GMT
#3469
Y should i listen to u when u dt check bugs.

Either
1. Ur bad at this gamr and dt check bugs
or
2. U lied about bugs to make u look an idiot to keep u alive longer

Either way. U have been anti town this whole game and ur back on the auto ignore list
o let me guesd to. Im scum now as well
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 29 2013 00:05 GMT
#3472
On January 29 2013 08:40 mkfuba07 wrote:
Chill out mocsta. I'm trying to get a handle on the thread.

Anything specific you'd like me to talk about?


On January 29 2013 08:15 Mocsta wrote:
What r u doing to contribute to the scum hunt? Who r your reads..where is your pressure.

U ask for more logs but dont even give an opinion on the currently presented ones... Wtf


All of the above would be a good start I think.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 29 2013 01:03 GMT
#3476
GG guys

I take it as a compliment I was offed

GO TOWN!
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