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On January 25 2013 03:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 03:00 Toadesstern wrote:
not going to claim who it is. I'm going to ignore it. Make of it whatever you think.
You claimed a lie because you claimed what you "assumed" your check meant instead of just claiming your check although we kept on asking to just spit it out.
My very first post was everything you needed. I wrote everything you wanted to know in the picture. If you're too stupid or disruptive to get that everything you wanted was there from the beginning, then don't blame it on me. If anything you have been fooled by the OPs description, you trying to paint me bad based on other people's mistakes and your own is...self-explanatory. I made a mistake in thinking that gonzaw had two roles. I rather thought he was mason for a cycle. But that mistake is productive. It revealed that people immediately asking questions about that knew what was up and poked it. Mainly cause they hoped I would do some mistake to get me lynched or was fakeclaiming.
Vivax, please think for a minute. Mafia would most likely presume your claim was legitimate, and they would know you are town (given you are). Therefore they would also know that your claim wouldn't have holes and you would be able to explain it. It's far more likely town would be confused by your claim given you were assuming things that weren't certain.
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On January 25 2013 03:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, it may be hard to convince you people I'm not scum, specially with me being kind of lazy these past few days and all.
I'll try to spend my time reading Vivax and figure out if he's scum fakeclaiming or if there's a mafia framer out there. I take it this will be better for town later.
I'm fairly sure "being lazy" was not the answer you gave me yesterday when I asked you why you weren't as much a central figure as I had expected.
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On January 25 2013 04:16 DearestSnot wrote:
I've been "oddly silent" because I was asleep until like 3-4 hours ago, then went to class.
I don't find it that likely that debears is scum. Certainly possible but it doesn't really matter, given that if he is scum then he's pigeonholed by virtue of being a BG. There are better targets than him out there, notably Chezinu.
Perhaps I was wrong about Oats and took the wrong side in Oats/gonzaw, but I'm still convinced BKE is mafia.
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Also, Vivax is correct in a way - there is a lot of information to be mined, if gonzaw flips Jack + Mason.
This would mean that mafia valued gonzaw very highly, and planned for him to be around a while, giving him two roles. It would make sense that they built their plan of action around him. So going back to Day 1 will be quite interesting.
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On January 25 2013 04:25 Vivax wrote:
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?
@ stutters
Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.
Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know.
I lynched prplhz off very few posts as well, remember.
Vivax, riddle me this - I was pushing Oats and prplhz hard all through Day 1. Given gonzaw looks set to flip mafia, this obviously makes Oats look more likely town. Towards the end of Day 1 I had sandroba urging me to lynch Oatsmaster, and not prplhz. Yet I chose prplhz. Why?
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On January 25 2013 05:13 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 05:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 04:25 Vivax wrote:
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?
@ stutters
Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.
Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know. I lynched prplhz off very few posts as well, remember. Vivax, riddle me this - I was pushing Oats and prplhz hard all through Day 1. Given gonzaw looks set to flip mafia, this obviously makes Oats look more likely town. Towards the end of Day 1 I had sandroba urging me to lynch Oatsmaster, and not prplhz. Yet I chose prplhz. Why? cause you like me more than sandro? <3
This was indeed the answer I was looking for. Possibly. Not quite, but I'll roll with it.
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You're right, actually, he's not a bad frame target. I hadn't considered that so much.
On the other hand, gonzaw coming back to the thread, admitting he's been pretty lazy, and leaving again - this doesn't look so good for him.
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On January 25 2013 06:11 Vivax wrote:
@ austinmcc
I think you having doubts about this stuff makes you look a little better. I don't think scum would doubt that gonzaw is scum at this point.
What you still utterly fail at is being incredibly gullible in case you're town and letting marv and Toad get away with withholding their information regarding other masons and alleged blue powerroles, but you feel the need to quote annul and his legitimate question without actually pursuing the information that is not being disclosed and that makes you look rather worse.
Care to answer my question, Vivax?
On January 25 2013 05:08 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 04:25 Vivax wrote:
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?
@ stutters
Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.
Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know. I lynched prplhz off very few posts as well, remember. Vivax, riddle me this - I was pushing Oats and prplhz hard all through Day 1. Given gonzaw looks set to flip mafia, this obviously makes Oats look more likely town. Towards the end of Day 1 I had sandroba urging me to lynch Oatsmaster, and not prplhz. Yet I chose prplhz. Why?
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Ok, you passed the lunatic test. Congratulations, Vivax.
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austin, it's one and a half hours from the flip, and several hours since Vivax released his check.
What has gonzaw done in the meanwhile?
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On January 25 2013 08:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 08:32 FiveTouch wrote:
austin, it's one and a half hours from the flip, and several hours since Vivax released his check.
What has gonzaw done in the meanwhile? absolutely Dick all. He did do stuff in aperture 2 and acant believe mini when he was town and attacked. But...why didn't he mason anyone? I don't think he is getting lynched for his response here, nobody is pulling up past games and arguing meta. This is a lynch based.on a check that popped out a role which doesn't make sense to me here.
You stated fairly specifically earlier that you do worse with setup stuff and not actual finding of mafia.
I agree with you that a lack of mason partner(s) for gonzaw is odd.
But has his reaction to Vivax's claim been mafia or town? From a standpoint that doesn't include roles?
It's possible he was framed, or a miller, but probably not.
Of course if we're talking about probabilities, I got mindfucked by Oats being a bodyguard, but there we go.
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On January 25 2013 08:38 mkfuba07 wrote:
What do you think about what I've said? I can't answer why he didn't use his mason power. I'm neither scum nor a mason. Nor have I ever been scum nor a mason. But I've thought it through, and unless he is another miller AND millers get randomized roles, I think him being scum is the most likely situation.
Correct, it is more likely. I asked the same question about millers as you did in PMs shortly after Vivax's claim, and I'm actually quite annoyed that neither of the hosts have replied to me by now, or to your question in the thread.
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At least this saves us waiting for the flip from hosts who don't answer their PMs.
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So, if Broodking and Chezinu are both mafia, they could have got gonzaw into the Sheriff position Day 1. Broodking voted for himself 3 minutes from deadline, and then Chezinu voted for gonzaw. It could be, though, that BKE is just useless and came back to avoid the modkill and vote for himself, and is mafia.
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On January 25 2013 10:58 yamato77 wrote:
I can't imagine why anyone is taking Vivax's reads even slightly seriously when even a cursory check of my filter reveals that he is flat out lying on some things and wildly misinterpreting others to fit his biased view of my play this game.
This goes for anyone he is "suspicious" of, by the way, which makes me feel like he's being intentionally stupid. If he's town he's a far worse player than I was led to believe. It's difficult for me to make sense of anything he is doing this game. I wish he could just be offed. :/
Then why are you humouring him and talking about that, rather than digesting the new information that we have on everyone else? 
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On January 25 2013 11:05 austinmcc wrote:Back. And wrong, it looks like. Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 10:43 FiveTouch wrote:
So, if Broodking and Chezinu are both mafia, they could have got gonzaw into the Sheriff position Day 1. Broodking voted for himself 3 minutes from deadline, and then Chezinu voted for gonzaw. It could be, though, that BKE is just useless and came back to avoid the modkill and vote for himself, and is mafia. prplhz was also on you at the end of voting. He may have wanted to stick and hope to get you to lynch someone else, since you didn't announce until right at deadline, but he + any scumbuddy could have moved gonzaw.
It's quite confusing, because it seems like it should have been quite possible to get gonzaw into second, yet they didn't. It suggests a lack of organisation, at least.
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On January 25 2013 11:36 DearestSnot wrote:
perhaps prplhz not voting for gonzaw does indicate disorganization, but bigger than that, it indicates fear.
prplhz clearly feared outting gonzaw as scum if he voted him because he was guaranteed to be dead. I wouldn't have risked it if I were scum in that situation.
However I think it's pretty likely Chezinu is mafia for that reason, since he wasn't under suspicion. No one would suspect him voting gonzaw if he just passed it off as trolling.
The problem is it didn't make gonzaw sheriff, and actually with how late it was it had almost 0% chance of making him sheriff. Why make the vote at all?
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On January 25 2013 11:43 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:36 DearestSnot wrote:
perhaps prplhz not voting for gonzaw does indicate disorganization, but bigger than that, it indicates fear.
prplhz clearly feared outting gonzaw as scum if he voted him because he was guaranteed to be dead. I wouldn't have risked it if I were scum in that situation.
However I think it's pretty likely Chezinu is mafia for that reason, since he wasn't under suspicion. No one would suspect him voting gonzaw if he just passed it off as trolling. The problem is it didn't make gonzaw sheriff, and actually with how late it was it had almost 0% chance of making him sheriff. Why make the vote at all? that's not true, Chezinu himself admitted he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad. Also he simply needed 1 vote. If there was some kind of communication problem (not that unlikely) then there might have been a second scum (maybe even BKE) who was supposed to vote gonzaw but didn't. No one would really even know.
So what? He voted right at the last minute. Were 2 mafia really supposed to vote for gonzaw right at the deadline? Simply from what we've seen so far this game that seems incredibly unlikely.
Two people voting for a candidate right at the last minute seems an extremely sketchy idea. Would you advocate it as mafia, or think it ridiculous and stupid?
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On January 25 2013 11:53 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:49 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:43 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:36 DearestSnot wrote:
perhaps prplhz not voting for gonzaw does indicate disorganization, but bigger than that, it indicates fear.
prplhz clearly feared outting gonzaw as scum if he voted him because he was guaranteed to be dead. I wouldn't have risked it if I were scum in that situation.
However I think it's pretty likely Chezinu is mafia for that reason, since he wasn't under suspicion. No one would suspect him voting gonzaw if he just passed it off as trolling. The problem is it didn't make gonzaw sheriff, and actually with how late it was it had almost 0% chance of making him sheriff. Why make the vote at all? that's not true, Chezinu himself admitted he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad. Also he simply needed 1 vote. If there was some kind of communication problem (not that unlikely) then there might have been a second scum (maybe even BKE) who was supposed to vote gonzaw but didn't. No one would really even know. So what? He voted right at the last minute. Were 2 mafia really supposed to vote for gonzaw right at the deadline? Simply from what we've seen so far this game that seems incredibly unlikely. Two people voting for a candidate right at the last minute seems an extremely sketchy idea. Would you advocate it as mafia, or think it ridiculous and stupid? To prevent a town mason from being put into the sheriff position, and to get one of my own buddies into sheriff? Hell yeah, I'd do it. gonzaw is the perfect person as scum to be in that position, too. He can't get shot-that's my biggest fear as that kind of player, he can't get checked, my second biggest fear as that kind of player (and you can make a secondary player the godfather if you have that option) and being lynched is pretty hard given that you can simply ride town to victory on your activity. I don't think most people understand how valuable denying town that position and taking it as scum actually is. As a good scum player I think gonzaw recognized that.
And I don't think you understand quite how amazingly attention-grabbing it is, having two people vote right at the last minute to get someone into an elected role... and the fact it didn't happen suggests that wasn't their (bad) plan.
I'm certainly not saying this makes Chezinu town - indeed the further the game goes the likelier it is he is mafia - but it's not going to be that last-minute vote why, probably. Actually I sort of find it worse the way he jumped his vote around before arriving there.
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On January 25 2013 11:58 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 11:56 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:53 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:49 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:43 DearestSnot wrote:On January 25 2013 11:37 FiveTouch wrote:On January 25 2013 11:36 DearestSnot wrote:
perhaps prplhz not voting for gonzaw does indicate disorganization, but bigger than that, it indicates fear.
prplhz clearly feared outting gonzaw as scum if he voted him because he was guaranteed to be dead. I wouldn't have risked it if I were scum in that situation.
However I think it's pretty likely Chezinu is mafia for that reason, since he wasn't under suspicion. No one would suspect him voting gonzaw if he just passed it off as trolling. The problem is it didn't make gonzaw sheriff, and actually with how late it was it had almost 0% chance of making him sheriff. Why make the vote at all? that's not true, Chezinu himself admitted he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad. Also he simply needed 1 vote. If there was some kind of communication problem (not that unlikely) then there might have been a second scum (maybe even BKE) who was supposed to vote gonzaw but didn't. No one would really even know. So what? He voted right at the last minute. Were 2 mafia really supposed to vote for gonzaw right at the deadline? Simply from what we've seen so far this game that seems incredibly unlikely. Two people voting for a candidate right at the last minute seems an extremely sketchy idea. Would you advocate it as mafia, or think it ridiculous and stupid? To prevent a town mason from being put into the sheriff position, and to get one of my own buddies into sheriff? Hell yeah, I'd do it. gonzaw is the perfect person as scum to be in that position, too. He can't get shot-that's my biggest fear as that kind of player, he can't get checked, my second biggest fear as that kind of player (and you can make a secondary player the godfather if you have that option) and being lynched is pretty hard given that you can simply ride town to victory on your activity. I don't think most people understand how valuable denying town that position and taking it as scum actually is. As a good scum player I think gonzaw recognized that. And I don't think you understand quite how amazingly attention-grabbing it is, having two people vote right at the last minute to get someone into an elected role... and the fact it didn't happen suggests that wasn't their (bad) plan. I'm certainly not saying this makes Chezinu town - indeed the further the game goes the likelier it is he is mafia - but it's not going to be that last-minute vote why, probably. Actually I sort of find it worse the way he jumped his vote around before arriving there. no, look. His argument was that he was simply trolling around. Why then, would he say that he wanted to get gonzaw elected over Toad? If he was simply trolling around why would he care?He certainly didn't seem to have a scumread on Toad; he doesn't have any fucking reads at all!
I think we're arguing over semantics and what we personally find to be particularly telling things. I'm not pitching an argument that Chez is in any way townie for it, here.
Speaking of other things - did you find anything out when you looked into annul? I drew some of my own conclusions but I'm curious what yours are.
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