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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 22 2013 02:28 GMT
#1678
On January 22 2013 11:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 11:19 iamperfection wrote:
On January 22 2013 11:17 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 22 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:
but i'm pretty sure xata isn't scum

Why not? I could see him as scum. His early game was pretty shitty.

i think me and iamperfection already discussed this.

Reasoning. I wants it.

Also right you are about voting hapa. Fuck it ill vote him twice.

had some posts around mr zentor that appeared natural to me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 22 2013 14:10 GMT
#1696
hapa tunnels regardless of alignment but he is very aware of confirmation bias and is much more willing to drop reads if he changes his mind in his town games.

in his scum games that i remember he does tunnel and is much less willing to change that read unless the whole thread is against him ie( rockband with his tunneling of me)

he does things like her derp scum slip in his scum games that i dont see in his town games (darthpunk in rockband and rosche in this game)


This looks like scum hapa to me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 22 2013 15:45 GMT
#1697
plus i think if hapa was town he would have said something by now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 22 2013 18:20 GMT
#1699
Where do you stand on hapa lazer?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 23 2013 00:04 GMT
#1718
ya hapa is confirmed scum in my view no excuse for promising reads and not delivering at this point.

I declare no last minute shenanigans even if hapa hasn't voted. We kill him.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 23 2013 00:39 GMT
#1722
yay
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 23 2013 00:42 GMT
#1723
grush do you have a meta case on wbg?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 23 2013 00:54 GMT
#1725
hapa who are your buddies?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 23 2013 03:52 GMT
#1739
be warned when reading hapas filter for associations he just plays wifom mind games with who he defends and who he attacks. In Mario he defended and accused both scum and town.

ill be looking more at how players interacted with him rather than vice versa.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 23 2013 13:52 GMT
#1744
bugs did you read mario?

hapa has no problem talking about his buddies.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 00:21 GMT
#1796
hrmmmmmmm

pondering the possibilities.

Mr lazer any updated thoughts because i have some thoughts on you now.
But would like to hear what you think of the remaining players.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 00:23 GMT
#1797
On January 24 2013 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
I went and read Hapa's filter from Mario Mini, and quite honestly iamp I can confidently say you are completely wrong.

He mentions Crossfire maybe...3 times, and all he does is ask people if he's a smurf or what, and then doesn't try to further a read on him. Then, he makes an offhand remark later in the game about something Crossfire did or said. Nothing there.

He doesn't mention his second teammate at all from what I could tell. His biggest concerns were debears, talking to marv, Z-Boson, and some others (yes, he was only alive d1, but still). I was curious to see who his other teammate was, so I went into the endgame and saw djodref. Having read Hapa's filter and small bits and pieces in context of his posts I would never have even guessed djo was playing that game.

I'm pretty confident in light of this that grush is hapa's scumbuddy.

djo replaced thrawn who hapa was trying to kill at then end of day 1 so i think my point is pretty valid.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 00:34 GMT
#1800
like bugs i think hapa even said in the obs of that thread that his play that game was designed to be wifom mind traps.

Hapa knows that he has to be somewhat of a leader as scum so he almost always comments on everything regardless of him being scum.

that just my perspective on the issue.
---------------------------------------------------
Tell me bugs are you surprised at all that lazer didn't vote for hapa sooner?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 00:46 GMT
#1804
hapa gave up. scum wold have easily jumped on him but lazer seemed more cautious in his approach to me.

why the doubt from him
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 00:49 GMT
#1806
On January 23 2013 05:40 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm kind of getting to the point where I think he is scum purely by the process of elimination.

Xata is probebly town.
You seem very town.
WBG does look far better than he did before in my eyes. Stuff like
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 08:51 DearestSnot wrote:
LOL this guy, saying I caught slOosh because I am scum. What the actual fuck?

First of all, most of this latest stuff is WIFOMy and not really alignment indicative. Super had a townish read on you, cool story bro. He also had a scumread on Prom. You had a motherfucking "town read" on Prom and you didn't even bother defending him.

This effort seems townish, but it's too little, too late and simply serves to undermine a good lynch. Let's go through with it now, because I can almost guarantee that if Hopeless lives today we 're gonna have to go through this shit again.

Seems to be comming from town. Had he been scum, I think he would've been more inclined to swap over to me. I think that Hopeless last minute post was looking very townie, and if WBG had actually pushed me I very well could've died. After that, we could risk exactly what WBG said. Even if Hopeless would survive today, he would have a hard time surviving tomorrow. And by that time he'd look even worse.

That leaves grush, Jay and Hapa. Atm I think grush is looking the worst, but I'm cool with Hapa lynch as well.


why didnt he just vote here

or attack hapa more strongly
he just said he was scum by elimination.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 00:53 GMT
#1809
because a grush and lazer scum team means that their strategy was to try to get the final mislynch on you since they both have attacked you.

That would mean scum team was putting their eggs in trying to get a mis-lynch on you.

im thinking one of grush and lazer is town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 00:58 GMT
#1811
On January 24 2013 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
his switch from Hopeless to Hapa still makes absolutely no sense to me. I don't get it at all. It was such a convenient time for him to switch and I think almost everyone at that point perceived Hopeless as looking worse than Hapa.

he actually switched to lazer first hopeless was looking townie to me towards the end.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 01:00 GMT
#1813
On January 24 2013 09:58 grush57 wrote:
After you voted Hopeless, I was confident that he was going to get mislynched so I wanted to show that Hapa was scum :D

ya but you wasted your vote making it impossible to save that town read of your's
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 01:03 GMT
#1816
On January 20 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hopeless is probebly scum after all... Sure, his play is similar to what it was last game but on the other hand him playing similar to last game when he was town is actually completely irrelevant because it actually doesn't tell us anything about his play as scum. Also, his play overall simply isn't townie at all. His posted some long posts some time ago but the first one was just him echoing what he said D2, Hapa + Lazer are scum. The second one was talking about setup. Why would you as town in this position do something like that? A townie who is just about to die would do ANYTHING to help his team get on the right track and give out all reads because when he flips, everyone will know that what he said was comming from a townie who at least wanted to hunt scum. Him repeating reads isn't helpfull at all. We would go through his filter anyway once he flips and find those reads. With that being said, Hopeless is going to get lynched today it seems, and spending more time explaining why he is scum seems

##Vote: Hopeless

WBG

Wbgs vote pattern yesterday is veeery funky indeed. He voted/unvoted between SlOosh and Hopeless no less than 5(!) times. Let's look a little bit closer at all this.

The first vote
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
##vote slOosh

This vote is not moving until you give me your scumreads and reasons.

If I do not believe you, then you will die today.
After this WBG goes on to put HEAVY pressure on SlOosh, points out several things in SlOosh play that makes him scum.

The second vote
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 13:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
ah, I was still on the previous page when I started writing that.

alright, fair enough. Let's bring out Hopeless and then we can move onto this slOosh business later.

##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
While admittedly I think he is getting convinced by the guy he thinks he scum a little bit too fast, I don't really see any problem with this vote. He did state quite explicit that he had Hopeless down as scum.

The third vote
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this.

slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum.

##unvote
##vote slOosh
Now, this is when things start to get fishy. WBG states that because he read my post about about Hopeless play last game and how its similar to last game, he is now much more inclined to belive that Hopeless looks town, or at least much better. However, I have a hard time thinking this is what actually happend. In last game, all of us three were town. Me and WBG were heavily suspicious of Hopeless that game(WBG filter). Both of us were pushing him hard core. I have a hard time seeing that WBG just forgot all this in a few days and needed my post as a reminder, especially since he seems to be a guy remembering things like this. For example, he was very fast at dissmissing my accusations against Jay PURELY based on meta from another game, a game that was played about a month ago.

Also note how during the time that he voted Hopeless, He doesn't really pressure him at all. He only has one post asking Hopeless about whether or not he is willing to lynch into SlOosh or not. This is in stark difference to when he was pushing SlOosh scum.

The forth vote

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.

I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.

##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
Once again, this is a very scummy vote. In just three hours he went from saying that he liked Hopeless posting much more, that he saw similarities to his last game and that SlOosh was scum to the opposite. Hopeless doesn't actually post even once during the time between the third and forth vote. WBG is instead convinced by Hapa's arguments on the issue. During the time between those two votes WBG goes on to say that Hopeless is a good lynch once again. But what happend with Hopeless improved posting? What happend with the meta read that made him look more town? And during this time, WBG still seems convinced that SlOosh is a good lynch, yet he votes Hopeless.

He also tells us to conolidate which is strange because the votecount at this point was looking like this:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Votecount:

slOosh (4): jaybrundage, wherebugsgo, thrawn, MrZentor
Hopeless1der (2): Hapahauli, slOosh
Lazermonkey (1): Hopeless1der
wherebugsgo (1): Xatalos

Not voting (3): iamperfection, grush57, Lazermonkey

Currently, slOosh is set to be lynched!
~31 hours until deadline.



The fifth and final vote

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
yes, let's speculate about an SK for no reason at all...

let's see what happens if I do this:

##unvote
##vote slOosh
Not much to say. WBG doesn't really motivate this swap at all and would he have voted Hopeless, hopeless would've died.

Summary: WBG is flipping his vote like a mad man between Hopeless and SlOosh. However, while he is pushing SlOsh hard, he doesn't push hopeless at all. He even pushes SlOosh while he is voting Hopeless.

As for the last scum, I'm not sure. My best guess at this point is grush because of the simple explanation that I have a town read, albeit not too strong, on every else.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 24 2013 01:07 GMT
#1818
grush jay maybe

ill think about it more before the deadline.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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